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when he said he was self financing his campaign & that he wasnt bought like all the other politicians.. You call him "fluid", I call him a lying piece of shite..

I actually see it as, he has the freedom of choosing who's donations he wants to accept, because he finances his own campaign.
His not dependent on them. So his not controlled by them.
Huge difference from the others.
I mean it's Trump. Who the hell can control him and tell him what to do? Pleeaassse!
People are freaking out about him because he won't sing to their tune, he can't be controlled.

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bigjb62

Trying to equate Trumps lack of political experience with a teenager is just plain dumb when his lack of experience is one of his better qualifications. One of the things that sets him apart from most politicians is he has more real world experience at actually working for a living and your average politician only knows how to manipulate the political system to get what they want off the backs of the tax payers, so instead of working for us they're bending us over and giving it to us in the ass.
I for one don't want to see any professional fuck us up the butt politicians in our government.

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bigjb62

President Obama has had zero mettle and has been the biggest give it to us in the ass president so far and with the Republicans putting up road blocks they have at least slowed down the reaming Obama and the rest of the democrats are giving this country.

Trying to say Trump will not be able to do anything will not be known unless he gets elected. He will no doubt have a very difficult time getting things done with all the Democrats doing everything they can to undermine anything good he tries to do as they did with Ronald Reagan.

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$10's of Billions? Just for shits and giggles, let's say that the cost for building the wall and protect/maintain it comes to $100B over 10 years. Let's also say that it takes $50B to build and $5B a year to protect/maintain. You're talking about a line item from a budget of $3.95T (FY2015), and estimates are higher every year after. Even if we had to pay it all up front and in 2015, that's still <1/39th of the overall budget. FFS, simply add the responsibility for building it and manning it to the DoD and I doubt they'd even notice $10-20B being diverted.

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bigjb62
$10's of Billions? Just for shits and giggles, let's say that the cost for building the wall and protect/maintain it comes to $100B over 10 years. Let's also say that it takes $50B to build and $5B a year to protect/maintain. You're talking about a line item from a budget of $3.95T (FY2015), and estimates are higher every year after. Even if we had to pay it all up front and in 2015, that's still <1/39th of the overall budget. FFS, simply add the responsibility for building it and manning it to the DoD and I doubt they'd even notice $10-20B being diverted.

No matter the figure, $10 billion, $20 billion, $50 billion, that's an absurd cost for a wall. It's just not practical, economically or as a deterrent. We'd be better off with increased surveillance and drones. Think about the number of agents we would need to respond to incursions and how long it would take to respond to such incidents across 2000 miles. How effective would the wall really be anyways? Illegals would still find a way across one way or another. And as someone else pointed out, if someone wants in bad enough, they would just come through our 5000 mile border with Canada.

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I dont like him cuz you cant believe anything he says.. he says one thing one day and the next he has done a 180 and says something exactly opposite.. that has been his entire campaign, he doesnt stand for anything.. so you cant trust a damn word he says.. how can anyone vote for someone as flaky as that?

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I dont like him cuz you cant believe anything he says.. he says one thing one day and the next he has done a 180 and says something exactly opposite.. that has been his entire campaign, he doesnt stand for anything.. so you cant trust a damn word he says.. how can anyone vote for someone as flaky as that?

To me politicians who don't say things to win votes don't win votes. There are tons of videos about Hillary's 180 through the years as well. And she's leading the Dems. That's what winning means.
But most importantly, is the politician's motivation in insync with what is best for the country?
US is in debt. Trump wants to get US out of the debt hole. He wants to exit as a historic President who managed to reduce debt. And he will do it.

That motivation may be a new challenge, wanting to make history, it may be for himself.

But his motivations are inline with what the country needs as priority right now. And he has too much of a big ego to let his Presidential ship end up in failure. His gonna produce results.

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Well, all that is speculation at this moment. Trump is gonna do a great job! And by the end of his 4 years, people are gonna grudgingly admit, he did okay! That is my prediction.

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I think it would be more stupid for American citizens to blindly elect a politically inexperienced man as president of the most powerful country in the world. I don't care how good of an economist he is or isn't, or how many times he went bankrupt. He has ZERO political experience. His 'mettle' will be no match for the leader of the second most powerful leader in the world, Putin, who I guarantee you has much bigger balls than Trump, both metaphorically and literally.

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If Obama, someone with political experience, couldn't stop the Republicans from undermining him, how could Trump possibly fair any better against the Democrats? Don't you see a correlation? You're blaming Obama for X,Y, and Z, but the root of the problem is congress. It doesn't really matter who the fuck is our president, but at the very least, the person leading us should be someone who knows a thing or two about politics. For fucks sake, the Clinton's goldfish are more qualified than Trump.

You know, all the time we hear about political and economic upheaval in other countries, like Greece and many South American countries, and I would think that at least my country isn't in that shitty of a situation. This election could very well change that.

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Trying to equate Trumps lack of political experience with a teenager is just plain dumb when his lack of experience is one of his better qualifications.

The mind just boggles at the thought of an inexperienced man at the helm given the state of the world, right now. The middle east, alone, is a powder keg waiting to go off in the faces of all of us. It takes a *lot* of knowledge even to begin to understand the nuances involved - thus, the small differences in political strategy that could mean the difference between war (or even bigger war) and peace. Trump is simply not up to the job. Electing him as POTUS would be like employing a particularly large, stupid and aggressive bull to manage a china shop.

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DesideriScuri I consider you a reasonable man with a conservative way of thinking... but not a fanatic. I hope I am not putting you on the spot but the question I am going to ask is of importance in the coming election.

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If, as it looks likely, Trump gets the nomination will you vote party over your misgivings? If not will you just not vote or consider voting for Clinton?
Butch

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Horseshit. Every President we've had since Reagan has been.
Trump is a bully. Trump is a drama llama and attention whore.
We've lost credibility with many, many countries over political bluster with little to no follow through by Obama. Trump and his tantrums would take care of any shreds of credibility we have left.

You might be able to make the case that the Bushes had a little mettle but I don't. As far as the Clintons & Obama go they have been big pussies and have shown to have no presidential qualities at all.

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As far 'give and take', I'm sure you've heard him say that he will build a border wall with Mexico and make pay for them wall. Let's not debate whether or not he'll reconsider his stance, because I want to bring up another issue with this wall. Building a border wall with Mexico is implausible. The resources, time, and money it would take are astronomical. Estimates are in the tens of billions for just building the wall. Forget about the resources it would take to protect and maintain a wall (~2000 miles in its entirety).

$10's of Billions? Just for shits and giggles, let's say that the cost for building the wall and protect/maintain it comes to $100B over 10 years. Let's also say that it takes $50B to build and $5B a year to protect/maintain. You're talking about a line item from a budget of $3.95T (FY2015), and estimates are higher every year after. Even if we had to pay it all up front and in 2015, that's still <1/39th of the overall budget. FFS, simply add the responsibility for building it and manning it to the DoD and I doubt they'd even notice $10-20B being diverted.

You will also need to build a huge wall along the Canada-US border cuz those commie Canadians are allowing Syrian refugees in there, dontcha know..

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As far 'give and take', I'm sure you've heard him say that he will build a border wall with Mexico and make pay for them wall. Let's not debate whether or not he'll reconsider his stance, because I want to bring up another issue with this wall. Building a border wall with Mexico is implausible. The resources, time, and money it would take are astronomical. Estimates are in the tens of billions for just building the wall. Forget about the resources it would take to protect and maintain a wall (~2000 miles in its entirety).

$10's of Billions? Just for shits and giggles, let's say that the cost for building the wall and protect/maintain it comes to $100B over 10 years. Let's also say that it takes $50B to build and $5B a year to protect/maintain. You're talking about a line item from a budget of $3.95T (FY2015), and estimates are higher every year after. Even if we had to pay it all up front and in 2015, that's still <1/39th of the overall budget. FFS, simply add the responsibility for building it and manning it to the DoD and I doubt they'd even notice $10-20B being diverted.

You will also need to build a huge wall along the Canada-US border cuz those commie Canadians are allowing Syrian refugees in there, dontcha know..

The threat of illegal immigrants streaming down from Canada isn't all that high. I mean, why? It sure isn't because of cheap medical care or the tasty beer.

If illegal immigration from Canada becomes an issue, that can be addressed at that time.

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Thank you for identifying yourself as a completely partisan hack. I admit to not paying a lot of attention to Bush the Elder's administration. I was in college, and had other things taking priority over that. I "fully woke up" politically in the early 00's. Bush 43 sold us out, imo, and that was the final straw for me and the Republican Party. I've done quite a bit of looking back, and I still don't like everything Bill Clinton stood for, but he did spend his time in the White House in a manner more fitting of a president than anything The Donald will be able to muster.

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From the very beginning, when Trump announced he was running for office I often thought of it as a conspiracy theory to get Hillary elected and particularly will be paying attention to whom she endorses as her Vice.

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As far 'give and take', I'm sure you've heard him say that he will build a border wall with Mexico and make pay for them wall. Let's not debate whether or not he'll reconsider his stance, because I want to bring up another issue with this wall. Building a border wall with Mexico is implausible. The resources, time, and money it would take are astronomical. Estimates are in the tens of billions for just building the wall. Forget about the resources it would take to protect and maintain a wall (~2000 miles in its entirety).

$10's of Billions? Just for shits and giggles, let's say that the cost for building the wall and protect/maintain it comes to $100B over 10 years. Let's also say that it takes $50B to build and $5B a year to protect/maintain. You're talking about a line item from a budget of $3.95T (FY2015), and estimates are higher every year after. Even if we had to pay it all up front and in 2015, that's still <1/39th of the overall budget. FFS, simply add the responsibility for building it and manning it to the DoD and I doubt they'd even notice $10-20B being diverted.

You will also need to build a huge wall along the Canada-US border cuz those commie Canadians are allowing Syrian refugees in there, dontcha know..

The threat of illegal immigrants streaming down from Canada isn't all that high. I mean, why? It sure isn't because of cheap medical care or the tasty beer.

If illegal immigration from Canada becomes an issue, that can be addressed at that time.