Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:30:41 PM   
OsideGirl


Posts: 14441
Joined: 7/1/2005
From: United States
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal



No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange.

Technically BDSM isn't about power exchange. BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Sado-Masochism. It's kinky sex. It's feeding a fetish. A power exchange would be D/s, M/s, TPE etc. While many people engage in both BDSM and D/s - they are not the same thing.

< Message edited by OsideGirl -- 5/4/2016 3:48:52 PM >

_____________________________

Give a girl the right shoes and she will conquer the world. ~ Marilyn Monroe

The Accelerated Velocity of Terminological Inexactitude

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:41:30 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline 		Fast Reply>

Dear OP,

The question that you should be asking is not the definition of a fetish. It should be, "what is Dominance".

By definition, Dominance is the following:

noun
noun: dominance

power and influence over others.
"the worldwide dominance of Hollywood"
synonyms: supremacy, superiority, ascendancy, preeminence, predominance, domination, dominion, mastery, power, authority, rule, command, control, sway; literarypuissance
"a position of political dominance"

So.... If person A gives the command that person B will give them their money, and they do it, how is that *not* influence? If they actually DO IT, are they not disciplined to do what they are told?


_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to OsideGirl)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:42:19 PM   
Wayward5oul


Posts: 3314
Joined: 11/9/2014
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: stef


quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her.

There's not enough storage available on this site's servers to document that which you don't understand.

I nominate this for the Best Quotes thread.

(in reply to stef)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 3:56:01 PM   
Spiritedsub2


Posts: 3316
Joined: 7/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: stef


quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her.

There's not enough storage available on this site's servers to document that which you don't understand.




_____________________________

Don’t grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.
~ Rumi

Laughing Dolphin

(in reply to stef)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:01:48 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: littleladybug


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange. But "Financial Domination" IS about power exchange. Think about the actual meaning of the words "Financial Domination" - to dominate someone's finances. As it is typically practiced, a Fin Domme is really closer to a 'sugar baby.'

I suppose you could compare this to a "service top" - but a "service top" isn't actually in charge either. Being for sale is NOT a dominant trait.


However, would you argue that a "service top", who isn't actually in charge, is not engaging in BDSM?



No. I'd argue that they're not really a top. They're a contractor, serving a client. They're role playing.

(in reply to littleladybug)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:05:31 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal



No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange.

Technically BDSM isn't about power exchange. BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Sado-Masochism. It's kinky sex. It's feeding a fetish. A power exchange would be D/s, M/s, TPE etc. While many people engage in both BDSM and D/s - they are not the same thing.


The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM

Power exchange is absolutely a part of BDSM.

Fin-Domme, though as it's practiced on this site isn't any of that. It's a role-play game.

(in reply to OsideGirl)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:06:44 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal
No. I'd argue that they're not really a top. They're a contractor, serving a client. They're role playing.

Dude, you just lost this debate sixteen ways to Sunday.



_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:08:13 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: stef


quote:

ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her.

There's not enough storage available on this site's servers to document that which you don't understand.

I nominate this for the Best Quotes thread.


Whatever for? Why would a guy send money to a Nigerian Prince he doesn't know? Hell... often enough those Nigerian Princes are also FemDommes.

(in reply to Wayward5oul)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:09:24 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal
No. I'd argue that they're not really a top. They're a contractor, serving a client. They're role playing.

Dude, you just lost this debate sixteen ways to Sunday.




Why? Because you've got no rebuttal?

(in reply to LadyPact)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:22:10 PM   
OsideGirl


Posts: 14441
Joined: 7/1/2005
From: United States
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal





The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM


That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet.

_____________________________

Give a girl the right shoes and she will conquer the world. ~ Marilyn Monroe

The Accelerated Velocity of Terminological Inexactitude

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:25:44 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal
Why? Because you've got no rebuttal?

No, because you haven't thought it through.

Regardless of motivations, I can assure you that tops are tops no matter the underlying precedence.

The commonly accepted term for top is "do-er'. The person who takes the active stance in a scene.

If I were to go and service top someone tomorrow, it wouldn't change my skill set in throwing a whip.

The original question was about BDSM. Even if we get into the least of power exchange, isn't S/m still about sadism and masochism? Service tops, even paid ones, fall into that.



_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:25:49 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM


That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet.


Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done.

In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living.

(in reply to OsideGirl)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:28:55 PM   
OsideGirl


Posts: 14441
Joined: 7/1/2005
From: United States
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM


That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet.


Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done.

In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living.


Nope, you can engage in BDSM and not be interested in D/s. I have a friend who is a masochist, she enjoys pain and will bottom in a BDSM scene, but she is not interested in being submissive in the slightest. I have friends that have a D/s power exchange relationship and don't engage in BDSM.


_____________________________

Give a girl the right shoes and she will conquer the world. ~ Marilyn Monroe

The Accelerated Velocity of Terminological Inexactitude

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:33:15 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal
Why? Because you've got no rebuttal?

No, because you haven't thought it through.

Regardless of motivations, I can assure you that tops are tops no matter the underlying precedence.

The commonly accepted term for top is "do-er'. The person who takes the active stance in a scene.

If I were to go and service top someone tomorrow, it wouldn't change my skill set in throwing a whip.

The original question was about BDSM. Even if we get into the least of power exchange, isn't S/m still about sadism and masochism? Service tops, even paid ones, fall into that.




No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title). As noted in my first post, there is a way to do that in the context of a power exchange. As it's typically practiced though, the power exchange is backwards.

If you're doing this as a professional, the reality of that is you're providing a service to a client that they will pay for. At the end of the day, it's about making THEM happy. Otherwise they don't come back and you don't get paid. That's the true nature of the power exchange. And you know what? Good for you on throwing that whip. I'm sure you've been highly trained by professionals to know how to do it in just such a way to properly service your clients.

(in reply to LadyPact)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:35:13 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM


That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet.


Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done.

In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living.


Nope, you can engage in BDSM and not be interested in D/s. I have a friend who is a masochist, she enjoys pain and will bottom in a BDSM scene, but she is not interested in being submissive in the slightest. I have friends that have a D/s power exchange relationship and don't engage in BDSM.



Yep. But the question at hand is about Financial Domination. Now you're talking about sadism and masochism. Which is a separate piece of this. Domination and Submission (of the financial variety) is the topic at hand.

< Message edited by TheCabal -- 5/4/2016 4:37:47 PM >

(in reply to OsideGirl)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:44:39 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM


That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet.


Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done.

In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living.

Actually, she's right.

If you look back to your proper history, the 'D/s' part of the acronym didn't show up until the Usenet days. It really had nothing to do with it's origins, which were found in the former DSM. S/m comes from the Sader/Mach era, which predates any of the other stuff by hundreds of years.

Dominance/submission was not included in the DSM, as, for the times, it was common for a woman to follow her husband in decisions. As such, it was not considered a perversion, which is supposed to be what BDSM was supposed to cover in the DSM 3.

It wasn't until the Usenet era that the BDD/sSM flavor came into being. (That's the Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, submission, Sadism, Masochism thing.) Nobody can substantial multiple definitions for the acronym *prior* to the early eighties.


_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:49:18 PM   
Wayward5oul


Posts: 3314
Joined: 11/9/2014
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal
quote:


The original question was about BDSM.

No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title).

Would that be the thread title Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM?

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:50:19 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal
No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title). As noted in my first post, there is a way to do that in the context of a power exchange. As it's typically practiced though, the power exchange is backwards.

If you're doing this as a professional, the reality of that is you're providing a service to a client that they will pay for. At the end of the day, it's about making THEM happy. Otherwise they don't come back and you don't get paid. That's the true nature of the power exchange. And you know what? Good for you on throwing that whip. I'm sure you've been highly trained by professionals to know how to do it in just such a way to properly service your clients.

With all due respect, do not insult me. If you want to throw accusations, this will not end well.



_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to TheCabal)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:53:38 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal
quote:


The original question was about BDSM.

No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title).

Would that be the thread title Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM?



Yes it would. The topic is financial domination. In order to understand whether or not it's a genuine part of BDSM, we must understand what Financial Domination is.

(in reply to Wayward5oul)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? - 5/4/2016 4:54:48 PM   
TheCabal


Posts: 291
Joined: 9/3/2005
From: Lots of different places
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal


The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM


That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet.


Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done.

In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living.

Actually, she's right.

If you look back to your proper history, the 'D/s' part of the acronym didn't show up until the Usenet days. It really had nothing to do with it's origins, which were found in the former DSM. S/m comes from the Sader/Mach era, which predates any of the other stuff by hundreds of years.

Dominance/submission was not included in the DSM, as, for the times, it was common for a woman to follow her husband in decisions. As such, it was not considered a perversion, which is supposed to be what BDSM was supposed to cover in the DSM 3.

It wasn't until the Usenet era that the BDD/sSM flavor came into being. (That's the Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, submission, Sadism, Masochism thing.) Nobody can substantial multiple definitions for the acronym *prior* to the early eighties.



Oh. Well then you have our answer. Financial Domination has NOTHING TO DO with BDSM. Since it's about Dominance and Submission.

(in reply to LadyPact)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.125