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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:23:03 PM   
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But don't feel too bad Greta. I am sure that something will pop up tomorrow that will put a smile on your face and a spring into your step. After all, tomorrow is another day.

I don't feel anything for the boy at all. Neither relief nor worried. But I think the parents got too lucky.



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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:23:17 PM   
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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:25:59 PM   
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OK, let's get this straight to determine the level of your insanity. In this case you are talking about the one left in the woods, not the zoo thing right ?

It's clear cut to me.
Left in the woods intentionally to punish the boy = abusive and malicious
Gorilla boy = Negligence, mom could be too busy taking pictures of gorilla on her smart phone than watching her kid

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:36:04 PM   
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No one on the scene said anything about mom taking taking pictures, but that would be letting facts get in the way of imagination.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:49:01 PM   
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But don't feel too bad Greta. I am sure that something will pop up tomorrow that will put a smile on your face and a spring into your step. After all, tomorrow is another day.

I don't feel anything for the boy at all. Neither relief nor worried. But I think the parents got too lucky.



We don't know how the kid got loose. Do we even know how many kids she was trying to watch. I was once one off the parents on a field trip to the Zoo.
I was watching 6 3rs grade boys (they always gave me my son and the troublemakers) I looked towards one and the worst of the bunch was sticking his fingers through the mesh trying to touch the tiger. He looked at me like I was some kind of monster as he took a (controled) flight back to where he belonged.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:55:19 PM   
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But don't feel too bad Greta. I am sure that something will pop up tomorrow that will put a smile on your face and a spring into your step. After all, tomorrow is another day.

I don't feel anything for the boy at all. Neither relief nor worried. But I think the parents got too lucky.



We don't know how the kid got loose. Do we even know how many kids she was trying to watch. I was once one off the parents on a field trip to the Zoo.
I was watching 6 3rs grade boys (they always gave me my son and the troublemakers) I looked towards one and the worst of the bunch was sticking his fingers through the mesh trying to touch the tiger. He looked at me like I was some kind of monster as he took a (controled) flight back to where he belonged.

Okay, we were referring to Japanese boy intentionally abandoned in a forest filled with wild bears by his parents, with the intention to scare him and punish him. And now he is found to be safe and fine despite being alone for 7 days in the forest. That's why I say the parents got way too lucky!

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 9:58:28 PM   
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No one on the scene said anything about mom taking taking pictures, but that would be letting facts get in the way of imagination.

In such a situation. Everybody is doing their own thing minding their business. Once the boy fell in, everybody's attention would be on the boy. By the time they pay attention to the mom, she was frantically trying to keep her boy calm by talking to her boy.

So even if she was doing it, nobody would notice. But it's a plausible scenario.
I think there was still no clear explanation on exactly how did this happen. And will we ever get honesty from the mom? Doubt it!

Personally, I still stand by. Take responsibility for the safety of your own kids. Of course the zoo needs to now make their enclosures safer after this incident. But end of the day, one's negligence could cause a kid's life. Just a fact in life.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 10:25:09 PM   
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"So even if ... "

"But it's a plausible scenario ... "

"I think there was still no clear explanation ... "


When has 'no clear explanation' ever stopped you from pronouncing judgement, in any instance?

Hitler came up with a 'plausible scenario,' of sorts.

All I can say is; glad you are not a mom, and, even though you are the quintessential poster child for compulsory sterilization, I wouldn't vote for that here in the states, but only because you are safely half a world away from us.

How's that for an "even if"?





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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/2/2016 11:20:23 PM   
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These two issues should never have been mixed together.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/3/2016 12:18:18 AM   
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We don't know how the kid got loose. Do we even know how many kids she was trying to watch. I was once one off the parents on a field trip to the Zoo.

The reports that I read said she was there with her 3 children, the youngest was the four year old, he told her that he wanted to see the gorillas up close, she said no. He said it again, she said no he was staying right there. Then the other two kids kept asking her things and distracting her, she got caught up with them, next thing she knew he had run off.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/3/2016 12:30:04 AM   
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These two issues should never have been mixed together.

T^T


At least you got that one right.

The fact that she conflates two totally separate things like that, and that only for purpose of telling the rest of the world what a good parent she is for taking her cats out in public on a leash.

Some people ...

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/3/2016 5:40:43 AM   
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Two cases with similarities caught my eye.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/japanese-boy-disappears-parents-leave-him-forest-023015655.html?nhp=1

First one is super funny to me, because the parents abandoned the 7 yr boy to scare him in a forest and now the boy is completely missing. I know poor kid's life is at stake, but if he got eaten by bears or wolves, it would even be funnier! Serves as a good lesson for future parents not to do this as punishment! And I hope the bill for the search party is sent to their doorsteps.

I remember when I was young, when my parents throw me out of the house and lock the gates on me, or my teachers throw me out of the classroom. I would disappear too. I'd just walk out and away which sets the adults on a panic and then they will follow you and yell at you to come back.

It's like, okay, I'm gonna take a walk!

I think it's the dumbest punishment. Considering I got bang down by a car when I was 8. Let a kid wander, things happen.

And then this one.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/news/cincinnati-gorilla-killed-boy-falls-zoo-enclosure-013416464.html?ref=gs

A beautiful majestic gorilla has to die thanks to a mom not holding the hands of her 4 yr old and keeping him close to her! Seriously, poor gorilla. Unnecessary death! Dude was happily in his little hareem with 2 females, and like free food all day. It's suppose to be safe and he got shot!








Good Lord. Couldn't help but comment on this.
If you really believe this way, you need psychiatric help. This is sociopathic. Deep black hole for a soul.
In regards to the first story. Suggesting it would be funny that a child be eaten by wild animals and suffer and pay from the stupidity of those parents is sickening. That would be a case of cruel and unusual punishment. Parents knowing leaving their child terrorized in a dangerous area even for a minute is criminal. They purposely did it. A 7 year old is developed mentally enough to have fear and understand abandonment. That poor child. What sane parent would knowingly do that? No wonder there are so many sociopaths in the world.
Second story. Who visits the zoo? Families with young children, mostly. 4 year olds have not developed mentally enough to know fear. It only takes looking away for two seconds and an accident can happen. Specially for a very curious agile kid. The fact is there should be in no way an entry for a child to get to an animal like that. I remember taking my kids to the zoo thinking, wow these barriers are not enough, and not high enough. I could have got in if I wanted but I am an adult and know what will happen. A child they don't know, all they know is " I want to pet the monkey"
People want to change the parents for an accident? Unlike the first story they didn't throw their child to the wolves. The responsibility lays with the zoo, who show these dangerous animals and are responsible for making sure these kind of things don't happen. If a child can get in, a 17 year old gorilla could probably get out if he wanted.
I wonder how long you would laugh if you had slipped into the enclosure and we all watched him drag you all over. We decided to save the gorilla and not you? Because you should have been more responsible.

I feel bad for the gorilla too. Human error although unintentional killed him. The first responsibility was the zoo.

People are nuts, truly insane. And karma is a bitch.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/3/2016 6:09:29 AM   
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All I can say is; glad you are not a mom, and, even though you are the quintessential poster child for compulsory sterilization, I wouldn't vote for that here in the states, but only because you are safely half a world away from us.

How's that for an "even if"?


I totally disagree, I'd be a great mom! And if I fuck up on my kid, I will take responsibility for my actions and not blame it on them, claiming it's impossible to manage and watch over them and be like you who is sooo uncreative that apparently keeping them safe involves putting them in a cage or prison.


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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/4/2016 5:53:49 AM   
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I am getting to the point where I think everyone should have compulsory birth control, Norplant, chastity belts or whatever, until they pass an intelligence test and a few others.

Stupid and/or nasty people came from stupid and/or nasty Parents.

Society has taken away many rights, maybe it is time to take the right away to just pop out kids at will. China did it and you don't hear them bitching. They know they got too many people and I bet most people support the ban on having too many kids. And I bet they have a better life because one kid is alot easier to support than five. While they have a better standard of living than most people think, they are certainly not rich.

Even in the US, if you make a million a year try putting five kids through private or parochial school and then college, buying them cars and putting them on your credit cards. You got two expensive cars, one for the Wife and a house that costs $3,500 a month to heat and cool. That money is pretty much gone..

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/4/2016 5:58:26 AM   
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All I can say is; glad you are not a mom, and, even though you are the quintessential poster child for compulsory sterilization, I wouldn't vote for that here in the states, but only because you are safely half a world away from us.

How's that for an "even if"?


I totally disagree, I'd be a great mom! And if I fuck up on my kid, I will take responsibility for my actions and not blame it on them, claiming it's impossible to manage and watch over them and be like you who is sooo uncreative that apparently keeping them safe involves putting them in a cage or prison.



Yeah, everyone thinks they're the best driver in the world too.

The proof is in the output. I like to think I would have made a good Dad but never wanted the responsibility. I have been a very good influence on the kids of my friends though. But that is not 24/7.

T^T

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/4/2016 11:18:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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But don't feel too bad Greta. I am sure that something will pop up tomorrow that will put a smile on your face and a spring into your step. After all, tomorrow is another day.

I don't feel anything for the boy at all. Neither relief nor worried. But I think the parents got too lucky.



We don't know how the kid got loose. Do we even know how many kids she was trying to watch. I was once one off the parents on a field trip to the Zoo.
I was watching 6 3rs grade boys (they always gave me my son and the troublemakers) I looked towards one and the worst of the bunch was sticking his fingers through the mesh trying to touch the tiger. He looked at me like I was some kind of monster as he took a (controled) flight back to where he belonged.

Okay, we were referring to Japanese boy intentionally abandoned in a forest filled with wild bears by his parents, with the intention to scare him and punish him. And now he is found to be safe and fine despite being alone for 7 days in the forest. That's why I say the parents got way too lucky!

No you were also talking about the kid that got into the gorrilla enclosure, saying the mother was to busy getting a picture on her phone to watch her kid.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/4/2016 11:19:57 AM   
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No one on the scene said anything about mom taking taking pictures, but that would be letting facts get in the way of imagination.

In such a situation. Everybody is doing their own thing minding their business. Once the boy fell in, everybody's attention would be on the boy. By the time they pay attention to the mom, she was frantically trying to keep her boy calm by talking to her boy.

So even if she was doing it, nobody would notice. But it's a plausible scenario.
I think there was still no clear explanation on exactly how did this happen. And will we ever get honesty from the mom? Doubt it!

Personally, I still stand by. Take responsibility for the safety of your own kids. Of course the zoo needs to now make their enclosures safer after this incident. But end of the day, one's negligence could cause a kid's life. Just a fact in life.


Didn't you just tell me we weren't talking about that case?

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/4/2016 11:21:48 AM   
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We don't know how the kid got loose. Do we even know how many kids she was trying to watch. I was once one off the parents on a field trip to the Zoo.

The reports that I read said she was there with her 3 children, the youngest was the four year old, he told her that he wanted to see the gorillas up close, she said no. He said it again, she said no he was staying right there. Then the other two kids kept asking her things and distracting her, she got caught up with them, next thing she knew he had run off.

Exactly the kind of situation I was talking about.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/4/2016 11:23:51 AM   
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These two issues should never have been mixed together.

T^T


At least you got that one right.

The fact that she conflates two totally separate things like that, and that only for purpose of telling the rest of the world what a good parent she is for taking her cats out in public on a leash.

Some people ...


Absoulutly correct. One was an extreme case of child abuse the other an unfortunate tragedy that could have been much worse.

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RE: Should parents who do not keep an eye on their kid ... - 6/4/2016 11:25:56 AM   
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Two cases with similarities caught my eye.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/japanese-boy-disappears-parents-leave-him-forest-023015655.html?nhp=1

First one is super funny to me, because the parents abandoned the 7 yr boy to scare him in a forest and now the boy is completely missing. I know poor kid's life is at stake, but if he got eaten by bears or wolves, it would even be funnier! Serves as a good lesson for future parents not to do this as punishment! And I hope the bill for the search party is sent to their doorsteps.

I remember when I was young, when my parents throw me out of the house and lock the gates on me, or my teachers throw me out of the classroom. I would disappear too. I'd just walk out and away which sets the adults on a panic and then they will follow you and yell at you to come back.

It's like, okay, I'm gonna take a walk!

I think it's the dumbest punishment. Considering I got bang down by a car when I was 8. Let a kid wander, things happen.

And then this one.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/news/cincinnati-gorilla-killed-boy-falls-zoo-enclosure-013416464.html?ref=gs

A beautiful majestic gorilla has to die thanks to a mom not holding the hands of her 4 yr old and keeping him close to her! Seriously, poor gorilla. Unnecessary death! Dude was happily in his little hareem with 2 females, and like free food all day. It's suppose to be safe and he got shot!








Good Lord. Couldn't help but comment on this.
If you really believe this way, you need psychiatric help. This is sociopathic. Deep black hole for a soul.
In regards to the first story. Suggesting it would be funny that a child be eaten by wild animals and suffer and pay from the stupidity of those parents is sickening. That would be a case of cruel and unusual punishment. Parents knowing leaving their child terrorized in a dangerous area even for a minute is criminal. They purposely did it. A 7 year old is developed mentally enough to have fear and understand abandonment. That poor child. What sane parent would knowingly do that? No wonder there are so many sociopaths in the world.
Second story. Who visits the zoo? Families with young children, mostly. 4 year olds have not developed mentally enough to know fear. It only takes looking away for two seconds and an accident can happen. Specially for a very curious agile kid. The fact is there should be in no way an entry for a child to get to an animal like that. I remember taking my kids to the zoo thinking, wow these barriers are not enough, and not high enough. I could have got in if I wanted but I am an adult and know what will happen. A child they don't know, all they know is " I want to pet the monkey"
People want to change the parents for an accident? Unlike the first story they didn't throw their child to the wolves. The responsibility lays with the zoo, who show these dangerous animals and are responsible for making sure these kind of things don't happen. If a child can get in, a 17 year old gorilla could probably get out if he wanted.
I wonder how long you would laugh if you had slipped into the enclosure and we all watched him drag you all over. We decided to save the gorilla and not you? Because you should have been more responsible.

I feel bad for the gorilla too. Human error although unintentional killed him. The first responsibility was the zoo.

People are nuts, truly insane. And karma is a bitch.

Bravo!!!!!

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