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ORIGINAL: crazyml
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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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ORIGINAL: crazyml
Read your own fucking links. I did you mental incompetent. Clearly you don't understand the point I'm making.
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"the 1-in-5 statistic includes victims of both rape and other forms of sexual assault, such as forced kissing or unwanted groping of sexual body parts—acts that can legally constitute sexual battery and are crimes. " I'm sure real rape victims who suffer devastating after-effects due to being physically violated will be relieved to know that you think "forced kissing" is as bad as being anally penetrated until they bleed.
One is rape. The other is not. If you can't tell the difference then you have real problems.
Gosh. Who made the claim that one in five women on college campuses is raped?
You see, your reply was to this statement:
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
You were failed by a culture on our college campuses where one in five women is sexually assaulted
Have an adult read this through with you carefully. Let's see if they can infer that Lucylastic was making the claim that one in five women on college campuses is raped?
Oh no. We cannot, because... well because that is not what she said.
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"Jesus wept, this is utterly false and has been debunked over and over, for fuck's sake"
Then you posted a link to an article, which - If you re-read it carefully, points out that the one in five figure does not refer to rape, but instead to sexual assault.
Now, here's where the magic happens... You claimed to be "debunking" a statement that one in five women is subjected to a sexual assault in college.... by posting a link that carefully explains that one in five women are not raped, but are sexually assaulted.
Oh my.
You, either through poor comprehension skills, or in the bully's hope that if you tell a lie loudly enough it will become true, managed to misrepresent what had been said.
You also asserted that some sexual assaults are "innocuous". Well, many people will differ. Unlike you, I don't think that any sexual assault is innocuous, but since you're clearly ok with some sexual assaults, I guess we should agree to differ.
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But I guess, given that you're such a victim of all this female oppression, you think it's ok to indulge in forced kissing and unwanted groping.
But then, I think that any man who tries to argue that unwanted kissing and groping are ok, has to be a bit of a loser.
Honestly, watching you pretend competence is an exercise in boredom. You've just erected a straw man. A straw man is when you misrepresent what I'm saying and then attack that misrepresentation.
Ironically, I'm not the one doing the misrepresentation here - It's you. Perhaps because you're stupid, perhaps because you're a simple troll, or perhaps because you're so terrified of the idea of equality that you lose control. I don't know, nor do I care.
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At no stage have I said anything about the appropriateness or otherwise of "forced kissing and unwanted groping". I'm simply highlighting the author's own statements that the 1 in 5 figure is incorrect for all the reasons which they mention.
Actually, you stated that it is "innocuous". Here... on this board. You stated it. That was a silly lie, wasn't it!
You assert that you're highlighting the author's own statements that the one in five figure is incorrect, but while - since you assure me that you have - I have to believe that you've read the link, it is clear that you did not understand it.
You're misrepresenting what the author said.
The author made it plain that one in five women on college camupses is subjected to a sexual assault of some kind. This accords 100%, by the way, with LucyLastic's statement that.... erm... one in five women on college camupses is subjected to a sexual assault of some kind.
You're misrepresenting what you said, what Lucy said, what the author said. Are you doing this for charity?
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Forced kissing is not rape. Unwanted touching is not rape. It's not good, but it's not rape.
Well done! Now where did Lucylastic make the claim that forced kissing is rape? Nowhere... so you're now inventing stuff.
Where did I claim that forced kissing or unwanted touching are equivalent to rape? Nowhere. You're making things up. It's pathetic.
Of course there is a difference between forced kissing and rape. That is why, for example, the criminal penalties are different.
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This statement from the authors not only demonstrates problems with the collection methods (web-based, thus unreliable), the limited scope (2 colleges) and the categorisation (the 1 in 5 figure includes all unwanted attention) but contains a clear statement that the 1 in 5 rape figure is incorrect as is the "1 in 5 sexual assault" figure.
It's bullshit and you have that straight from the horse's mouth - the authors who published the study.
This has been explained to you now. I know that you wont understand it, but it's up there.
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You, on the other hand, appear to be addicted to the idea that men are forever persecuting women. You have an irrational unreasoning hatred of your own gender (or alleged gender as I'm pretty sure at this point that you're a bitch with severe issues pretending to be a man) which ensures you're unable to think rationally about gender issues.
More baseless misrepresentation. You will find no evidence to support this pitiful ad hom. On the other hand, there is abundant evidence of your puerile attempts to characterise feminism as a sinister, sceeery, anti-male conspiracy.
Your little ad-hom is telling though - Nice how you think that using a gender based slur is likely to have any kind of impact on an adult. But let me be clear - Strong men have nothing to fear from gender equality, strong men don't have to force themselves on women, strong men are ready and able to compete in a society without needing the privilege that they enjoy because they're men.
Weak men fear gender equality, pitiful losers who would be nothing without their male privilege. I feel sorry for them, mostly, the ones that whine constantly - not so much.
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What I linked to was pretty clear and incontrovertible. You used it as an opportunity to accuse me of believing sexual assault is okay. You're clearly fucked in the head.
If you say that something is "innocuous" .... Oh... you don't understand what that word means do you?
Here is one definition - "harmless, safe, non-dangerous, non-poisonous, non-toxic, non-irritant, non-injurious, innocent;"
So.. you claimed, here on this board, that forced kissing, which is a sexual assault, is harmless. You probably didn't know that was what you were saying, because you didn't know what the word means.
Don't use words that you don't understand, it makes you look foolish.
I'm pretty sure Awareness will respond, but I'd like to make a point. The 1 in 5 is BS and has always been so. It started with a biased study years ago at the University of Arizona. They asked women if a man ever made them uncomfortable and called each instance of a "yes" as rape even if the woman respondent didn't think it was rape. If you asked men if a woman ever made them feel uncomfortable, it would be 1 in 1. Rape would have all kinds of new definitions. Or, alternatively, as I recall listening to a coed brag, back while I was an undergrad, that she's not had to pay for a meal in three weeks because of her dating habits, maybe whore would have all new definitions if there were similar biased studies performed in the "Men's Studies Department" of colleges. (Ya I know absurd isn't it. Yet no less absurd then that which exists.)
Since then, since government funding is so necessary to keep women who obtain degrees in "Women's Studies" employed, the researchers have done the same sorts of things to portray rape on college campus as out of control. It's not. Again, harking back to undergrad days I remember listening to two coeds discussing some silly guy who had asked one of them if he could kiss her. They were just appalled and had the general consensus that just kissing them and not asking them was the manly way to do it. Of course, they then believed they had the right to point and laugh at the guy if they weren't interested. Equally of course, now a days on college that is labeled sexual assault. Which it's not. It is two things, a natural dating habit and a chance for studies to be funded by the government to keep hateful sexist feminists employed.
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