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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


Pardon me for not looking this up, but the preponderance of 'gun defense' stories I come across in reading the news involves convenience store robbery attempts. I know this occurs in the home sometimes, but it's difficult to recall the last one I read about. I can't recall any instance of a person on the street saving themselves from disaster by that expedient, though I'm sure it might have happened once or twice.

BTW, were the statistics cited limited to the US, or across a survey of several countries?

Two days ago, I had to help this 90-something yr. old (white) lady through the check out at the grocery store. She could just barely slide her card through the swipe slot in the first place, and then kept hitting the 'credit' option where she read it on the screen, rather than the physical button just to the right of it.

I had attention to the matter in the first place from witnessing some black guy go through the same routine with her last time I was there.

Her purse and wallet were available for ten different people to steal, all the time.

There is no way, no how, a woman as shaky as that could ever handle a firearm.

And in a county of 54% black people, she seems to survive, easy a 'mark' as she is.

Here ya go...took less than a minute to find one

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2015/06/09/detroit-home-invaders/28728493/

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Japan's culture is different than ours. Hey, for us, if you exclude gang bangers, we're just as civil as any other nation. It's a falicy to think that America is violent when the violence actually coming from one culture that exists within the U.S. Your arguments are fallacious. Scandinavian countries require guys to go into the Army and send his high tech military rifle home when he leaves the army. The guy is then required to practice with that rifle for the rest of his life. With every man having an automatic weapon under the bed, their culture has low violence rates as low gun crimes. It's not the guns, it's the culture and it's not American culture generally, it's a small group within American future.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


If you had any intent towards or mental capacity for 'seriously discussing' anything beyond a TV show, you would not consider someone who gets information from the library as "weird," and you wouldn't have such difficulty with spelling the word 'condescending.' Not "condicending."

Or was that a Freudian slip from some obsession with Condi Rice? What crap are you cending to Condi?

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Japan's culture is different than ours. Hey, for us, if you exclude gang bangers, we're just as civil as any other nation. It's a falicy to think that America is violent when the violence actually coming from one culture that exists within the U.S. Your arguments are fallacious. Scandinavian countries require guys to go into the Army and send his high tech military rifle home when he leaves the army. The guy is then required to practice with that rifle for the rest of his life. With every man having an automatic weapon under the bed, their culture has low violence rates as low gun crimes. It's not the guns, it's the culture and it's not American culture generally, it's a small group within American future.

You're thinking of Switzerland which conscripts all adult males into the militia and issues them with a weapon, usually a SIG SG 550. The ammunition for such is held in sealed canisters which are audited on a regular basis. It used to be kept at home, but this practice was discontinued in 2007 and only specific classes of individuals still do so.

Once your service is over, you can opt to keep your weapon through application for a weapon acquisition permit. If your firearm is fully auto it will be converted to semi-auto.

Switzerland has tight firearm regulation which requires a clean criminal record and a clean psyche evaluation. Certain classes of weapons - such as machine guns - are prohibited and the country as a whole primarily uses weapons for hunting and sport shooting rather than "self-defense".

Actually CARRYING a loaded weapon in public requires another permit.

So yeah - completely different culture with a comprehensive approach to gun legislation and a lack of idiotic bravado about "using my gun to keep my family safe".

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


If you had any intent towards or mental capacity for 'seriously discussing' anything beyond a TV show, you would not consider someone who gets information from the library as "weird," and you wouldn't have such difficulty with spelling the word 'condescending.' Not "condicending."

Or was that a Freudian slip from some obsession with Condi Rice? What crap are you cending to Condi?

Lol Edwird. The last refuge of not being able to participate in a discussion is ridicule. While we're discussing the library, did you answer my questions, on the thread where you brought it up. Or did you move here because actually having to defend a position was a little too much for you?

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


Again, you or anyone else are welcome to provide the statistics that prove non-gun owners are more susceptible to criminal violence than gun owners.

If anything, that 500,000 number from Bloomberg you allude to proves quite the opposite.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Japan's culture is different than ours. Hey, for us, if you exclude gang bangers, we're just as civil as any other nation. It's a falicy to think that America is violent when the violence actually coming from one culture that exists within the U.S. Your arguments are fallacious. Scandinavian countries require guys to go into the Army and send his high tech military rifle home when he leaves the army. The guy is then required to practice with that rifle for the rest of his life. With every man having an automatic weapon under the bed, their culture has low violence rates as low gun crimes. It's not the guns, it's the culture and it's not American culture generally, it's a small group within American future.

You're thinking of Switzerland which conscripts all adult males into the militia and issues them with a weapon, usually a SIG SG 550. The ammunition for such is held in sealed canisters which are audited on a regular basis. It used to be kept at home, but this practice was discontinued in 2007 and only specific classes of individuals still do so.

Once your service is over, you can opt to keep your weapon through application for a weapon acquisition permit. If your firearm is fully auto it will be converted to semi-auto.

Switzerland has tight firearm regulation which requires a clean criminal record and a clean psyche evaluation. Certain classes of weapons - such as machine guns - are prohibited and the country as a whole primarily uses weapons for hunting and sport shooting rather than "self-defense".

Actually CARRYING a loaded weapon in public requires another permit.

So yeah - completely different culture with a comprehensive approach to gun legislation and a lack of idiotic bravado about "using my gun to keep my family safe".

Ah, my knowledge came from discussing it with a person from there and is admittedly old.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


If you had any intent towards or mental capacity for 'seriously discussing' anything beyond a TV show, you would not consider someone who gets information from the library as "weird," and you wouldn't have such difficulty with spelling the word 'condescending.' Not "condicending."

Or was that a Freudian slip from some obsession with Condi Rice? What crap are you cending to Condi?

Lol Edwird. The last refuge of not being able to participate in a discussion is ridicule. While we're discussing the library, did you answer my questions, on the thread where you brought it up. Or did you move here because actually having to defend a position was a little too much for you?

Those are some powerful bong hits you got there, bro.

I answered every question in full, your inability to comprehend notwithstanding, whereas you still haven't answered the question of just who "that one culture" is that makes the US such a 'dangerous place.'

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah, the famous "estimates" based on, well, guessing and making stuff up.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Ah, my knowledge came from discussing it with a person from there and is admittedly old. I understood, or it was explained to me, that ammo was issued to them yearly and they were expected to shoot it to stay proficient. Additionally, when everyone knew that everyone had a rifle in the house, it tended to discourage breakins and actually did "use the gun to keep the family safe." Much like studies here have found that places that are liberal issuing concealed carry permits tend to have violent crimes drop because the criminals aren't sure who is a victim and who is armed.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah, the famous "estimates" based on, well, guessing and making stuff up.

Really, if that's what you think the FBI and CDC is doing you should go complain. I'm sure it's very powerful for you to understand that you know so much better than..."those guys."

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

So you say. Yet you say a lot. This above just shows you're really not worth time. I actually stated the culture twice and you never did answer questions. Oh, yes, you gave some clever little barbs about libraries. I guess in a twisted mind you can say look it up and I didn't read what you wrote, twice, is equivalent you explaining all and me saying nothing. It is interesting to see just how deficit you are. It's sorta sad as well.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah, the famous "estimates" based on, well, guessing and making stuff up.

Really, if that's what you think the FBI and CDC is doing you should go complain. I'm sure it's very powerful for you to understand that you know so much better than..."those guys."

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yeah, the famous "estimates" based on, well, guessing and making stuff up.

Really, if that's what you think the FBI and CDC is doing you should go complain. I'm sure it's very powerful for you to understand that you know so much better than..."those guys."

I know your mommy told you that you were a genius . . . but you might try actual research. She's your mommy, after all.

The CDC has been restrained from doing research -- a pretty blatant attempt to stiffle real figures:
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-gun-research-funding-20160614-snap-story.html

And...FBI figures and other studies compile statistics, but there is no cause and effect established:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
http://crimeresearch.org/2015/07/evaluating-new-research-firearm-ownership-and-violent-crime-in-the-u-s-an-ecological-study-by-monuteaux-lee-hemenway-mannix-fleegler/

In fact, much of the data suggests the opposite. Not because I or anyone else "thinks" so or "know better than the other guys," but because that's what the research shows.

You might want to actually look at it, instead of continuing to believe you simply know better.

Mommy got this one wrong.