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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 9:26:47 PM   
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A couple of months ago I saw a study that showed that cops have one tenth the crime rate of the general population,

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and the crime rate for ccw holders is one tenth that of cops.


Jesus you are phoquing stupid

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 9:29:08 PM   
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You make all kinds of assumptions. First of all, if NRA members were nuts, there would be blood filling the sewers.

No one said all...how many does it take?


What's more, how the fuck does saying "show me one" indicate that I believe there are none ?

To those who speak english.


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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 9:30:29 PM   
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"I would hope they would make you shoot with both hands, I was shooting by the time I was ten and my dad made my brothers and me learn with both hands, even the automaticx that ejected right into our faces. "

I think you mean either hand.

"The .50 is a lousy carry gun, too bulky for most people, too, too much recoil for most people, and too much penetration for an urban enviroment.
"


Yes, those would be damn hard to shoot with one hand. Plus with the mass they do not move so fast. To fix the penetration problem there are probably hollowpoints available. Somewhere in my IE links I have a site that sells what they call the deadliest round ever made, perhaps non exploding. They had videos comparing their new round to other expanding rounds, shooting them into that thick gelatin. But even a snub nosed round out of a .50 can kill you from getting hit in the arm. It tears it up so bad you bleed to death unless there is a doctor literally 30 seconds away.

But penetration is why I traded off my SKS. I had the copper tips and didn't see hollowpoints for it. Living in the city it would be irresponsible to shoot the thing even for self defense. The fucker could go through the wall of the house and into nextdoor even if you don't miss the target. I think hollowpoints should be required in urban areas. I have heard about shots going through walls into a crib in another house or apartment and killing a kid.

I am against almost all laws against gun ownership, especially at home. Shooting them is a different story, there needs to be some limits on that. There is a guy on Usenet right now who shoots varmint on his property out in the stix. He is looking for some sort of expanding round or whatever because these things move and it is hard to hit the vital area. He feels bad that they run off and die slowly. Believes it is inhumane. I can't disagree but he wants them for a .22. Now a .22 with hollowpoints is not likely to be all that effective against a big Man. I was shot in the face with a .38 and it didn't kill me. And there are and were alot of people much tougher and bigger than me.

But you can still kill with a smallbore usually, you have to shoot from underneath and hit in the right place of the chest. I know, well knew someone this happened to, one of our favorite bar owners. A customer leaves, he hears a ruckus at the front door and the customer is getting robbed. He tried to help and died by .25. I questioned how the hell could a big guy like that get killed with such a puny round and they told me, they got him at just the right angle. And sometimes a .22 or .25 won't even penetrate the human skull. (thick headed MFs !)

So anyway I traded the SKS for a Mossberg 9200 12 guage and a small, old .38. I would like to trade down from the Mossberg and get a better handgun so I can use the .38 as a droppiece. I shit happens, life goes alot easier if you have a droppiece. Most cops have them. Topcop Simone got busted with his. Problem is this will be all private party, for the same reason I never joined the NRA. Name on a list. All they have to do is read the address off the NRA publication and they know where to confiscate and while liberals say they will never take your guns, they lie just like anyone else.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 9:34:43 PM   
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A couple of months ago I saw a study that showed that cops have one tenth the crime rate of the general population,

Roflmfo






and the crime rate for ccw holders is one tenth that of cops.


Jesus you are phoquing stupid



You can't even spell fucking. What's more you have no rebuttal.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 9:38:07 PM   
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Yes, those would be damn hard to shoot with one hand. Plus with the mass they do not move so fast. To fix the penetration problem there are probably hollowpoints available. Somewhere in my IE links I have a site that sells what they call the deadliest round ever made, perhaps non exploding. They had videos comparing their new round to other expanding rounds, shooting them into that thick gelatin. But even a snub nosed round out of a .50 can kill you from getting hit in the arm. It tears it up so bad you bleed to death unless there is a doctor literally 30 seconds away.

But penetration is why I traded off my SKS. I had the copper tips and didn't see hollowpoints for it. Living in the city it would be irresponsible to shoot the thing even for self defense. The fucker could go through the wall of the house and into nextdoor even if you don't miss the target. I think hollowpoints should be required in urban areas. I have heard about shots going through walls into a crib in another house or apartment and killing a kid.

I am against almost all laws against gun ownership, especially at home. Shooting them is a different story, there needs to be some limits on that. There is a guy on Usenet right now who shoots varmint on his property out in the stix. He is looking for some sort of expanding round or whatever because these things move and it is hard to hit the vital area. He feels bad that they run off and die slowly. Believes it is inhumane. I can't disagree but he wants them for a .22. Now a .22 with hollowpoints is not likely to be all that effective against a big Man. I was shot in the face with a .38 and it didn't kill me. And there are and were alot of people much tougher and bigger than me.

But you can still kill with a smallbore usually, you have to shoot from underneath and hit in the right place of the chest. I know, well knew someone this happened to, one of our favorite bar owners. A customer leaves, he hears a ruckus at the front door and the customer is getting robbed. He tried to help and died by .25. I questioned how the hell could a big guy like that get killed with such a puny round and they told me, they got him at just the right angle. And sometimes a .22 or .25 won't even penetrate the human skull. (thick headed MFs !)

So anyway I traded the SKS for a Mossberg 9200 12 guage and a small, old .38. I would like to trade down from the Mossberg and get a better handgun so I can use the .38 as a droppiece. I shit happens, life goes alot easier if you have a droppiece. Most cops have them. Topcop Simone got busted with his. Problem is this will be all private party, for the same reason I never joined the NRA. Name on a list. All they have to do is read the address off the NRA publication and they know where to confiscate and while liberals say they will never take your guns, they lie just like anyone else.


Nsa would never think to look here


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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 10:09:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: BamaD

A couple of months ago I saw a study that showed that cops have one tenth the crime rate of the general population,

Roflmfo






and the crime rate for ccw holders is one tenth that of cops.


Jesus you are phoquing stupid



You can't even spell fucking. What's more you have no rebuttal.

T^T

He is just a bitter old man who hates everyone and everything.
He doesn't care about making a point he just wants to agrivate.
That is why I put him and his twin back on hide.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 10:29:20 PM   
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"Nsa would never think to look here
"


I am sure they know right where I am. My email is gettable on Usenet and I do post there. And about this kind of shit. I am likely on the no-fly list already.

But among my posts are the fact that I know a convicted murderer got a sex change operation on the taxpayers dime. So they can lock me up and fix my knees, my back, my neck, my hearing, and pay the three hundred grand to fix my eyesight. Go right ahead motherfuckers, lock me up.

Let them look all they want.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 10:33:44 PM   
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"I would hope they would make you shoot with both hands, I was shooting by the time I was ten and my dad made my brothers and me learn with both hands, even the automaticx that ejected right into our faces. "

I think you mean either hand.

"The .50 is a lousy carry gun, too bulky for most people, too, too much recoil for most people, and too much penetration for an urban enviroment.
"


Yes, those would be damn hard to shoot with one hand. Plus with the mass they do not move so fast. To fix the penetration problem there are probably hollowpoints available. Somewhere in my IE links I have a site that sells what they call the deadliest round ever made, perhaps non exploding. They had videos comparing their new round to other expanding rounds, shooting them into that thick gelatin. But even a snub nosed round out of a .50 can kill you from getting hit in the arm. It tears it up so bad you bleed to death unless there is a doctor literally 30 seconds away.

But penetration is why I traded off my SKS. I had the copper tips and didn't see hollowpoints for it. Living in the city it would be irresponsible to shoot the thing even for self defense. The fucker could go through the wall of the house and into nextdoor even if you don't miss the target. I think hollowpoints should be required in urban areas. I have heard about shots going through walls into a crib in another house or apartment and killing a kid.

I am against almost all laws against gun ownership, especially at home. Shooting them is a different story, there needs to be some limits on that. There is a guy on Usenet right now who shoots varmint on his property out in the stix. He is looking for some sort of expanding round or whatever because these things move and it is hard to hit the vital area. He feels bad that they run off and die slowly. Believes it is inhumane. I can't disagree but he wants them for a .22. Now a .22 with hollowpoints is not likely to be all that effective against a big Man. I was shot in the face with a .38 and it didn't kill me. And there are and were alot of people much tougher and bigger than me.

But you can still kill with a smallbore usually, you have to shoot from underneath and hit in the right place of the chest. I know, well knew someone this happened to, one of our favorite bar owners. A customer leaves, he hears a ruckus at the front door and the customer is getting robbed. He tried to help and died by .25. I questioned how the hell could a big guy like that get killed with such a puny round and they told me, they got him at just the right angle. And sometimes a .22 or .25 won't even penetrate the human skull. (thick headed MFs !)

So anyway I traded the SKS for a Mossberg 9200 12 guage and a small, old .38. I would like to trade down from the Mossberg and get a better handgun so I can use the .38 as a droppiece. I shit happens, life goes alot easier if you have a droppiece. Most cops have them. Topcop Simone got busted with his. Problem is this will be all private party, for the same reason I never joined the NRA. Name on a list. All they have to do is read the address off the NRA publication and they know where to confiscate and while liberals say they will never take your guns, they lie just like anyone else.

T^T

I carry a .45, sometimes Acp, sometimes colt. With the acp I use hollowpoints so it dumps the energy on the target. With the long colt I use hollowpoints or straight lead which expands real good, niether is noted for penitration. And yes you should always use hollow points in town, I even keep hollow point hunting rounds in my 30-06 although it would be my last choice for home defense.

I'm not sure you can slow a .50 down enough to make it a good in town gun.
I am sure this was a typo. There is no snub nosed round, there are lighter loads that are better to use in a snub nosed gun. But with a .50 in a snub nose the recoil would be hellasious. You should most likely punch them in the stomach and pull the trigger that way you don't break your wrist, and as the barrell rises you dig a tench in thier front. No I don't advise getting that close either.

Any caliber can kill. but the . 25 is likely the most ineffectual one out there, it has been known to be stopped by a padded bra.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 10:54:56 PM   
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For me the question is: Since the NRA represents only 6% of gun owners in the US, and currently advocates radical positions that are not shared by the majority of gun owners, why are they so immensely powerful a voice on the issues of guns? Why have the “silent majority” of gun owners who do not hold the extreme positions of the NRA, been “locked out” of the gun debate? Is it simply a question of $?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/15/most-gun-owners-dont-belong-to-the-nra-and-they-dont-agree-with-it-either/

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 11:23:06 PM   
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"Any caliber can kill. but the . 25 is likely the most ineffectual one out there, it has been known to be stopped by a padded bra. "

From what I was told, he was shot from below at an upward angle just below the breastplate. All soft tissue.

The regular .38, not the Magnum should be able to penetrate most people's breastplate, but not all. In the old days I doubt mine could. While sparring I got kicked in the chest and flew 20 feet across the room. And I came back and said do it again, and my sparring partner did it again. At that point I had had enough. This guy was seriously tough, I mean to the point I would have to shoot him in the neck or gut. And neither is a guaranteed kill. Of course I have no reason to do that, but it would be some bad punishment. If someone shoots me I want them to just blow my head clean off in one shot.

But a padded bra ? I bet the guy used light loads. The kind people in the suburbs use to shoot varmint because they are not as loud.

Alot of people do not realize that you can shoot a gun outside. You shouldn't but for good reason and not in the air or randomly. I blew off five rounds from a 12 guage once on some holiday many years ago. A piece like that that can hold five rounds was illegal in the city. No cops came. Back then you used were supposed to have a license for any gun, but Castle Law and Stand Your Ground took care of that bullshit.

Maybe in NYC or DC they go nuts whenever they hear gunshots, but I doubt it. Even though they have some of the strictest gun laws they have plenty of gun murders. Like Chicago, the only people without guns there are the law abiding citizens.

They busted a CONGRESSMAN in DC for having a spent round from a rifle. Somehow they got a way to search his house in Virginia and busted him for what he had there, which was legal in Virginia.

Shit like this proves I am right, that jurisdiction is not determined by lines on a map. I got a DUI in a city in which I did not live and still do not, and they said I can't have a gun on probation. They got no right to say that. I would not bring a gun to their city, but they got no right to tell me what I can have in another city.

And if you think getting a DUI disqualifies you from having a gun that is wrong. I have not had a car wreck since 1989, and I have not had a car wreck while drunk since about 1982. Yeah, I was young and dumb. And never a felony. Every time I got busted I was lost and looking for an address, or a driveway to turn around. Same with a few friends of mine. When I went to Florida I am riding with my friend down there and we see a car upside down on the median. He says "Now THAT will get you a DUI down here". they left you alone. I couldn't believe that Uturns were allowed almost everywhere. And people flew. Nobody drove slower than 40 MPH even on dirt roads.

In fact he is the one I mentioned who shot a guy in the back and got away with it because the guy stole one of his guns. He moved to Florida and it seems to me that in Florida and Georgia they just don't give out speeding tickets.

Anyway, what are we at, two NRA members murdered. Maybe three if this soccer Mom who probably wished she had boys, out of millions. Discounting the cops in the NRA, how does that compare to the general population ?

Probably not fantastically really. There are only like 30,000 gun deaths a year and that includes accidental and self defense shootings, as well as cops shooting people and they are prone to get into situations where they have to. It also includes people shooting themself.

Like I said a long time ago, out of three hundred million people, this number is insignificant. Hospital kill ten times as many by medical mistake and I an not talking people on their death bed. Wrong drugs, wrong dosages wrong procedures. And that is the AMA's own figures which I am sure are a bit suppressed.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 11:43:32 PM   
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For me the question is: Since the NRA represents only 6% of gun owners in the US, and currently advocates radical positions that are not shared by the majority of gun owners, why are they so immensely powerful a voice on the issues of guns? Why have the “silent majority” of gun owners who do not hold the extreme positions of the NRA, been “locked out” of the gun debate? Is it simply a question of $?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/15/most-gun-owners-dont-belong-to-the-nra-and-they-dont-agree-with-it-either/


Mybe the NRA doesn't have the "extreme" positions you have been told.
See Katie Curics recent documentary where she and her director admitted to twisting the facts and editing the coversation to change the meaning.
The people who blast the NRA for extreme positions are themselves extreme, people like handgun cotrol and Bloomberg who care more about scoring points than telling the truth. Many of the extreme positions the NRA is alleged to take are the oposite of what they do take. Finally while there are gun owners may not agree with everything the NRA says they find the people on the other side far more objectionable. Nothing the NRA stands for is more pbjectionable than, for example , Hillary and Obama's interest in an Australin style misnamed "buybacks" which is nothing more than eminant domain gone crazy.

BTW anti gun groups out spend the NRA. Bloomberg alone by something like 4-1

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/28/2016 11:49:42 PM   
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For me the question is: Since the NRA represents only 6% of gun owners in the US, and currently advocates radical positions that are not shared by the majority of gun owners, why are they so immensely powerful a voice on the issues of guns? Why have the “silent majority” of gun owners who do not hold the extreme positions of the NRA, been “locked out” of the gun debate? Is it simply a question of $?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/15/most-gun-owners-dont-belong-to-the-nra-and-they-dont-agree-with-it-either/



Sensible people usually want some kind of control. But if you go to the NRA's website you know they are for some control as well but liberals make it look like we should just let murderers and rapist out of prison and give them guns. Read what THEY say, not what people say about them.

I think that people's family and friends should handle it because I just do not trust the government to do it. Look at the no-fly list debacle. And some guy sitting at a desk never met you or saw any records you been to a shrink or whatever check a box on a form and you can't get on a commercial flight. And now they want that to cause you not to be able to have a gun.

And don't forget, the shooter in Florida was totally able to buy guns legally. And to say that was wrong is racist ? I think when they let people in this country they should be forced to eat bacon, or a pork chop. Renounce that religion. The French did it to the Jews. Convert or die. We could have convert or go back home.

Look at their website, really. You obviously haven't based on what you wrote. They do support background checks, with limitations. Like is you get into an argument with your olady and she calls the law in Ohio and tells the cops she is afraid, you lose your house and your second amendment rights. That is not right. Use some reason here. Now if you have beaten the fucking shit out of her and she is on a stretcher going to the hospital, nobody thinks you should have a gun after doing that shit.

Read their website. Ad I have already said why I am not a member, because your name is on a list and when, NOT IF, they start confiscating guns guess where they'll start. Every other country has done it. Well not really, when the US was coming to attack Iraq the Saddam administration gave out guns to the people. That's how well he was hated. That is why we weren't greeted as liberators. Even though we installed him as dictator, he kept the country somewhat quiet. People get tired of war, especially civil war. And then he switches to the euro and is all the sudden a threat. And now they got civil unrest. Could we do any worse ? But see when the US assumed control guess what happened. Door to door gun confiscation. Look it up.

But to lose your rights over selling some weed ? Shit like that ? The NRA I think is pretty much against that and so am I. As far as I am concerned, if you do ot commit violence you should have your rights. Full rights.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 3:37:01 AM   
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mom-kills-daughters-20160627-snap-story.html

Texas police fatally shoot woman who killed her two daughters

A mother in a suburban Texas town fatally shot her two daughters Friday, before police shot her dead in front of her home.

That afternoon, Christy Sheats had called her husband, Jason Sheats, and their two daughters, Madison, 17, and Taylor, 22, into their living room for a family meeting, the Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office said.

When they were all gathered together, Christy Sheats held up a gun and shot both her daughters, police said. The girls and their father managed to run out of the house before Madison collapsed. Sheats followed and shot Taylor twice more, while Jason Sheats ran to the end of the street, according to authorities.

When police arrived at the house in response to a 911 call about shots being fired, they found the daughters lying in the street, bleeding. Christy Sheats stood nearby, holding a five-shot .38 caliber handgun, the sheriff’s office said. When she refused to drop the gun and moved toward the officers with her weapon raised, police said, an officer shot and killed her.

Taylor was shot three times and pronounced dead at the scene. Madison was shot once and airlifted to Memorial Hermann Hospital, where she died later that night, the sheriff’s office said in a statement.

The Sheats lived in the Katy area near Fulshear, a suburb about 25 miles west of Houston. The community is relatively affluent with a low crime rate, said Maj. Chad Norvell, commander of the Administration Bureau of the Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office.

“These types of things, no one can predict,” he said.

Investigators are now trying to determine why Sheats killed her daughters. “Obviously she was in some sort of mental crisis,” Norvell said.

Since January 2012, the sheriff’s office had responded to 14 calls for service at the house, authorities said.

Norvell said the calls included the house alarm going off and medical emergencies, but he refused to discuss the specific nature of these instances.

In recent months, Sheats had posted on Facebook about her Christian religious beliefs, her disapproval of President Obama and liberal politics, and her support for gun rights.

On Jan. 9, she posted a meme celebrating gun ownership and criticizing Obama for his support of gun control, with the caption “That’s right! #merica”


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She was also vocal about her love for her two daughters. She posted on “Daughters Day” last year:

“Happy Daughters Day to my two amazing, kind, beautiful, intelligent girls. I love and treasure you both more than you could ever possibly know.”

Madison Sheats was going to be a senior at Seven Lakes High School this fall and worked as a babysitter, according to her Facebook page.

Taylor Sheats had recently graduated from Lone Star College. She frequently displayed her artwork, including commissioned pieces, on Facebook.

Neighbors told the news station KTRK that they were shocked by the shooting.

“This is not the Christy that I know. It’s just not,” Catherine Knowles, a friend of Christy’s, told the station.

“I couldn’t imagine anything in her life that would have made her snap,” she added.

To an outside observer, the Sheats family appeared to be close.

On Jan. 6, Christy Sheats posted about a new roller coaster opening up at Cedar Point amusement park. “We are going as soon as this new world record coaster opens!!!” she wrote, tagging her husband and daughters in the post. All three liked the post and responded with excitement.


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The officer’s shooting of Sheats is being investigated to ensure it was justified, Norvell said.

“We certainly think it was,” he added.

When asked whether the police intended to kill Sheats, Norvell responded, “If we shoot someone, that’s the only way we shoot. We shoot to end the threat.”





Nice to see some justice in Texas for a change.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 3:44:04 AM   
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Actually, it doesn't. A convict is a person who's been convicted by a court of law, and you remain a convict in that sense after your release from the big house.

People who are formally inprisoned are normally called ex-cons not that it matteres since it is a baldface totally unsubstantiated lie.

Also read the rest of his post and you will see that he does mean that in what passes for his brain he thinks, or wants someone to think that I am currently in prison.


Honestly I think he wants to see how long he can keep getting you to respond to his bullshit and I hate to say it but he does seem to be doing a great job of not only getting you to respond but quoting his bullshit as well so that those of us with the sense to hide him, still have to see it. Now I have no idea why the forum moderators seem to be afraid to do anything about him but apparently they are.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 4:19:39 AM   
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Any caliber can kill. but the . 25 is likely the most ineffectual one out there, it has been known to be stopped by a padded bra.

Just one of the many "bon mots" that drip from your lips that make us all wonder if you use your skull to bowl with?

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 4:22:59 AM   
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Well, they are caught between a rock and a hars spot probably, letting the nutsuckers spew their horsehit constantly day in and day out for hundreds of threads and thousands of pages, they might think that it is time for a reality factual view.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 4:30:44 AM   
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For me the question is: Since the NRA represents only 6% of gun owners in the US, and currently advocates radical positions that are not shared by the majority of gun owners, why are they so immensely powerful a voice on the issues of guns? Why have the “silent majority” of gun owners who do not hold the extreme positions of the NRA, been “locked out” of the gun debate? Is it simply a question of $?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/15/most-gun-owners-dont-belong-to-the-nra-and-they-dont-agree-with-it-either/

What are these "extreme positions that you are speaking of that most gun owners do not agree with besides the four listed?

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 4:31:55 AM   
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Honestly I think he wants to see how long he can keep getting you to respond to his bullshit and I hate to say it but he does seem to be doing a great job of not only getting you to respond but quoting his bullshit as well so that those of us with the sense to hide him, still have to see it. Now I have no idea why the forum moderators seem to be afraid to do anything about him but apparently they are.


You seem to fall for it on a pretty regular bassis also.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 11:43:51 AM   
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"I would hope they would make you shoot with both hands, I was shooting by the time I was ten and my dad made my brothers and me learn with both hands, even the automaticx that ejected right into our faces. "

I think you mean either hand.

"The .50 is a lousy carry gun, too bulky for most people, too, too much recoil for most people, and too much penetration for an urban enviroment.
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Yes, those would be damn hard to shoot with one hand. Plus with the mass they do not move so fast. To fix the penetration problem there are probably hollowpoints available. Somewhere in my IE links I have a site that sells what they call the deadliest round ever made, perhaps non exploding. They had videos comparing their new round to other expanding rounds, shooting them into that thick gelatin. But even a snub nosed round out of a .50 can kill you from getting hit in the arm. It tears it up so bad you bleed to death unless there is a doctor literally 30 seconds away.

But penetration is why I traded off my SKS. I had the copper tips and didn't see hollowpoints for it. Living in the city it would be irresponsible to shoot the thing even for self defense. The fucker could go through the wall of the house and into nextdoor even if you don't miss the target. I think hollowpoints should be required in urban areas. I have heard about shots going through walls into a crib in another house or apartment and killing a kid.

I am against almost all laws against gun ownership, especially at home. Shooting them is a different story, there needs to be some limits on that. There is a guy on Usenet right now who shoots varmint on his property out in the stix. He is looking for some sort of expanding round or whatever because these things move and it is hard to hit the vital area. He feels bad that they run off and die slowly. Believes it is inhumane. I can't disagree but he wants them for a .22. Now a .22 with hollowpoints is not likely to be all that effective against a big Man. I was shot in the face with a .38 and it didn't kill me. And there are and were alot of people much tougher and bigger than me.

But you can still kill with a smallbore usually, you have to shoot from underneath and hit in the right place of the chest. I know, well knew someone this happened to, one of our favorite bar owners. A customer leaves, he hears a ruckus at the front door and the customer is getting robbed. He tried to help and died by .25. I questioned how the hell could a big guy like that get killed with such a puny round and they told me, they got him at just the right angle. And sometimes a .22 or .25 won't even penetrate the human skull. (thick headed MFs !)

So anyway I traded the SKS for a Mossberg 9200 12 guage and a small, old .38. I would like to trade down from the Mossberg and get a better handgun so I can use the .38 as a droppiece. I shit happens, life goes alot easier if you have a droppiece. Most cops have them. Topcop Simone got busted with his. Problem is this will be all private party, for the same reason I never joined the NRA. Name on a list. All they have to do is read the address off the NRA publication and they know where to confiscate and while liberals say they will never take your guns, they lie just like anyone else.

T^T

I did mean either, but if the situation permits you should use both.

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RE: Show Me One NRA Member Who Committed Murder - 6/29/2016 11:49:09 AM   
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Actually, it doesn't. A convict is a person who's been convicted by a court of law, and you remain a convict in that sense after your release from the big house.

People who are formally inprisoned are normally called ex-cons not that it matteres since it is a baldface totally unsubstantiated lie.

Also read the rest of his post and you will see that he does mean that in what passes for his brain he thinks, or wants someone to think that I am currently in prison.


Honestly I think he wants to see how long he can keep getting you to respond to his bullshit and I hate to say it but he does seem to be doing a great job of not only getting you to respond but quoting his bullshit as well so that those of us with the sense to hide him, still have to see it. Now I have no idea why the forum moderators seem to be afraid to do anything about him but apparently they are.

I now have him and his bloodbrother on hide.

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