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NorthernGent1 -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 7:33:30 AM)


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It's only 52% home grown idiots who caused it



You've gotta laugh.

17 million people are idiots because they didn't agree with this woman.


No.

They're idiots because they voted to leave the EU.

Whether LadyConstanze even exists or not is irrelevant to the reason these people have been such self-destructive moronic simpletons.

What I want to know is this, why were they allowed to vote? If I want to drive a car, I have to pass a basic competency test. If i want to do SCUBA, I need to pass an aptitude test. If I want to practice medicine I need a medical degree.

The ability to vote, clearly, has the potential to fuck up millions of lives. Why do we allow any knuckle-dragging mouth-breather to do it? What's wrong with a voting license, with a basic aptitude and political awareness test.

I know that stupid people would, obviously, object to being disenfranchised. But it's for the same reason kids aren't allowed matches that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.


Out of idle curiosity, what exactly is it that you've done in life which has given you such confidence that you belong in the pantheon of great minds?



I don't think I belong in any pantheon of "great minds". I don't think you need a "great mind" to be qualified to vote.

I'll settle for "mind", which the Brexit yobbos obviously don't have.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/brexit-racism-eu-referendum-racist-incidents-politicians-media
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales


You're not that bright, pal, because you're posting articles from The Guardian as if it is some impartial observer.

Who would have thought it? The Guardian in we should have stayed in the EU shocker.

As it turns out, your mind is adding absolutely nothing new; you're simply repeating the party line verbatim.




Staleek -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 7:41:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

It's only 52% home grown idiots who caused it



You've gotta laugh.

17 million people are idiots because they didn't agree with this woman.


No.

They're idiots because they voted to leave the EU.

Whether LadyConstanze even exists or not is irrelevant to the reason these people have been such self-destructive moronic simpletons.

What I want to know is this, why were they allowed to vote? If I want to drive a car, I have to pass a basic competency test. If i want to do SCUBA, I need to pass an aptitude test. If I want to practice medicine I need a medical degree.

The ability to vote, clearly, has the potential to fuck up millions of lives. Why do we allow any knuckle-dragging mouth-breather to do it? What's wrong with a voting license, with a basic aptitude and political awareness test.

I know that stupid people would, obviously, object to being disenfranchised. But it's for the same reason kids aren't allowed matches that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.


Out of idle curiosity, what exactly is it that you've done in life which has given you such confidence that you belong in the pantheon of great minds?



I don't think I belong in any pantheon of "great minds". I don't think you need a "great mind" to be qualified to vote.

I'll settle for "mind", which the Brexit yobbos obviously don't have.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/brexit-racism-eu-referendum-racist-incidents-politicians-media
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales


You're not that bright, pal, because you're posting articles from The Guardian as if it is some impartial observer.

Who would have thought it? The Guardian in we should have stayed in the EU shocker.

As it turns out, your mind is adding absolutely nothing new; you're simply repeating the party line verbatim.


So it's from the Guardian, therefore it is false? And you're saying that I'm not bright? The Guardian is a hack publication and many of its articles should be taken with a grain of salt. But compared to the rest of the print media it's pretty decent.

http://time.com/4383404/brexit-hate-crime-uk-racism/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-racial-racism-abuse-hate-crime-reported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html
http://abcnews.go.com/International/hate-crimes-spike-uk-brexit-vote/story?id=40164257
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/hate-crimes-reported-u-brexit-vote-article-1.2690489
http://fortune.com/2016/06/27/britain-hate-crimes-brexit/
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/

We've got people on this forum who have been physically assaulted by some of these Brexiters. You might not like it but it is happening.

My mind isn't adding anything new. I don't intend to add anything new. This whole thing was a colossal mistake, and Britain is paying for it not only financially but also socially at this point.




NorthernGent1 -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 7:48:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

It's only 52% home grown idiots who caused it



You've gotta laugh.

17 million people are idiots because they didn't agree with this woman.


No.

They're idiots because they voted to leave the EU.

Whether LadyConstanze even exists or not is irrelevant to the reason these people have been such self-destructive moronic simpletons.

What I want to know is this, why were they allowed to vote? If I want to drive a car, I have to pass a basic competency test. If i want to do SCUBA, I need to pass an aptitude test. If I want to practice medicine I need a medical degree.

The ability to vote, clearly, has the potential to fuck up millions of lives. Why do we allow any knuckle-dragging mouth-breather to do it? What's wrong with a voting license, with a basic aptitude and political awareness test.

I know that stupid people would, obviously, object to being disenfranchised. But it's for the same reason kids aren't allowed matches that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.


Out of idle curiosity, what exactly is it that you've done in life which has given you such confidence that you belong in the pantheon of great minds?



I don't think I belong in any pantheon of "great minds". I don't think you need a "great mind" to be qualified to vote.

I'll settle for "mind", which the Brexit yobbos obviously don't have.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/brexit-racism-eu-referendum-racist-incidents-politicians-media
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales


You're not that bright, pal, because you're posting articles from The Guardian as if it is some impartial observer.

Who would have thought it? The Guardian in we should have stayed in the EU shocker.

As it turns out, your mind is adding absolutely nothing new; you're simply repeating the party line verbatim.


So it's from the Guardian, therefore it is false? And you're saying that I'm not bright? The Guardian is a hack publication and many of its articles should be taken with a grain of salt. But compared to the rest of the print media it's pretty decent.

http://time.com/4383404/brexit-hate-crime-uk-racism/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-racial-racism-abuse-hate-crime-reported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html
http://abcnews.go.com/International/hate-crimes-spike-uk-brexit-vote/story?id=40164257
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/hate-crimes-reported-u-brexit-vote-article-1.2690489
http://fortune.com/2016/06/27/britain-hate-crimes-brexit/
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/racist-attacks-post-brexit/

We've got people on this forum who have been physically assaulted by some of these Brexiters. You might not like it but it is happening.

My mind isn't adding anything new. I don't intend to add anything new. This whole thing was a colossal mistake, and Britain is paying for it not only financially but also socially at this point.


From the English publications - you have The Guardian and The Independent, both pro EU newspapers.

Of course a few idiots will take this as an opportunity to air their racist views.

So, what is your point in all of this?

There are racists. There have been a 100 or so instances of 'hate related crimes' - such as telling people to 'fuck off home' - and you are suggesting this negates the Leave vote taken by 17 million people?

You're not to be taken seriously, mate.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 7:50:55 AM)


Hey, no racism happening, honestly...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/tram-video-racist-abuse-manchester-11535624#rlabs=1%20rt$category%20p$1

Really, a Molotov cocktail thrown, no racism, nothing to see

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/molotov-cocktail-thrown-halal-butchers-11535781

Reporter being called P*** nothing to see

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/brexit-sima-kotecha-bbc-journalist-basingstoke-a7106951.html

Still not seeing anything

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-call-emergency-meetings-deal-8296935#ICID=sharebar_twitter

2 minutes of googling




WhoreMods -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:01:26 AM)

I wonder if he'll claim that the Manchester Evening News and the Birmingham Mail are left leaning papers that are slanting their stories to make the leave voters look bad?
[:D]




Staleek -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:04:24 AM)

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So, what is your point in all of this?

There are racists. There have been a 100 or so instances of 'hate related crimes' - such as telling people to 'fuck off home' - and you are suggesting this negates the Leave vote taken by 17 million people?


My point is that the ability to vote is the ability to exercise power.

And dumb people should not be able to exercise power.

There was NO REASON to vote to leave the EU;

There was obviously no economic reason to do it, as even mentioning leaving has caused economic mayhem.

There is no reason to do it for sovereignty, as any intelligent person would know that international treaties by nature cede some sovereignty, and nobody, even those with moderate brain damage, would believe we can live in the modern world without a few treaties.

No. The chief reason so many people voted against their own interests last week was this horse shit:

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl-9GaVXIAAnBhq.jpg[/image]

Now if you have a problem with reality that's tragic, but it is your problem. Allowing people the opportunity to ruin other peoples lives because they are bigoted pricks is an indication of a deeply flawed system that needs urgent rectification.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:04:34 AM)


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I wonder if he'll claim that the Manchester Evening News and the Birmingham Mail are left leaning papers that are slanting their stories to make the leave voters look bad?
[:D]



Put him on ignore, guess he's raging drunk again, or maybe broke the dentures gnawing on pig's trotters, or butt hurt about the footie... He lost the plot a while ago, if he ever had it




NorthernGent1 -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:11:26 AM)


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Allowing people the opportunity to ruin other peoples lives because they are bigoted pricks is an indication of a deeply flawed system that needs urgent rectification.



Have you thought about steralising people?

Probably.




tweakabelle -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:12:57 AM)

I can't say that I can recall ever seeing such a passionate debate between our usually phlegmatic Brits. Sad to add that it does have an ugly tinge to it too.

It's pretty clear that the UK is split down the middle on this issue. It's also clear that a lot of the leave votes were cast with anything but the EU in mind.

The actual mechanism to leave the EU is to activate Article 50. I note that Cameron has decided to leave this to his successor. It also seems to be the case that none of the leaders of the Leave side are in a hurry to be the person who activates Art 50. As Parliament is said to be 75% pro-Remain, it might be the case that any agreement arising out of invoking Art 50 (if in fact that ever happens) may never get to pass the House of Commons. People can find all kinds of reasons for voting down measures, reasons that don't question the integrity of the referendum result.

So I would say that there's still a lot of work to be done by the Leave camp before they can claim success. Success for the leave camp is actually leaving the EU, not winning a referendum about whether to remain in the EU or not. And it seems that opposition to a Brexit seems to hardening by the day. With both sides battening down for a long fight, I must say I am glad I am not a UK resident at the moment.




NorthernGent1 -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:14:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Staleek

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

So, what is your point in all of this?

There are racists. There have been a 100 or so instances of 'hate related crimes' - such as telling people to 'fuck off home' - and you are suggesting this negates the Leave vote taken by 17 million people?


My point is that the ability to vote is the ability to exercise power.

And dumb people should not be able to exercise power.

There was NO REASON to vote to leave the EU;

There was obviously no economic reason to do it, as even mentioning leaving has caused economic mayhem.

There is no reason to do it for sovereignty, as any intelligent person would know that international treaties by nature cede some sovereignty, and nobody, even those with moderate brain damage, would believe we can live in the modern world without a few treaties.

No. The chief reason so many people voted against their own interests last week was this horse shit:

[image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl-9GaVXIAAnBhq.jpg[/image]

Now if you have a problem with reality that's tragic, but it is your problem. Allowing people the opportunity to ruin other peoples lives because they are bigoted pricks is an indication of a deeply flawed system that needs urgent rectification.


Best headline in there is: "my man keeps texting page 3 girl, what can I do?"

Absolute classic from The Daily Mail. Front page reporting at its best.




WhoreMods -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:21:33 AM)


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The actual mechanism to leave the EU is to activate Article 50. I note that Cameron has decided to leave this to his successor. It also seems to be the case that none of the leaders of the Leave side are in a hurry to be the person who activates Art 50. As Parliament is said to be 75% pro-Remain, it might be the case that any agreement arising out of invoking Art 50 (if in fact that ever happens) may never get to pass the House of Commons. People can find all kinds of reasons for voting down measures, reasons that don't question the integrity of the referendum result.

I think they've all decided that it's the kiss of death to do so, which does call some of the claims that the leave camp were making in advance about how leaving the EU would save the NHS, boost the economy, stop immigration dead, and give everybody a free puppy. Obviously they didn't believe any of that noise themselves, or they'd be keen to claim credit for activating the article.
(One interesting issue that arises from all this is that neither house of Parliament is under any obligation to recognise the result of the referendum, though of course, the furore about this has now created a situation where the rest of the EU are insisting that we leave in a hurry.)




LadyConstanze -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:27:21 AM)

You know the Financial Times (owned by MURDOCH who was pro Brexit, just saying) is in on the conspiracy too...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/483228ec-3d23-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0.html#axzz4Ct6wlrhS




WhoreMods -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:30:03 AM)

I didn't realise the FT was Murdoch. He actually has one half decent paper left since he wrecked the Times and the Mirror, then.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:31:44 AM)

Actually got confused with the Wallstreet Journal.... Not 100% sure about the FT but the FT was always rather conservative




Staleek -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:32:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek

Allowing people the opportunity to ruin other peoples lives because they are bigoted pricks is an indication of a deeply flawed system that needs urgent rectification.



Have you thought about steralising people?

Probably.



Only people too thick to spell "Sterilizing" correctly.

Do you believe that people shouldn't be required to known how to drive a car before acquiring a drivers license? Do you believe that we should allow doctors to practice medicine without licensing them? Do you believe that anyone should be allowed to work with, for example, potassium cyanide, or should we only allow people trained in its use to handle it?

This isn't a left/right thing. This really isn't just about the Brexit or Trump either. It's common sense - voting is an act that can create such devastation that it must be used responsibly and thoughtfully.

https://youtu.be/0d-BUkhh5IY?t=179

Some people are clearly not qualified to do vote. They're way way too thick.




NorthernGent1 -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:34:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Staleek


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1


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ORIGINAL: Staleek

Allowing people the opportunity to ruin other peoples lives because they are bigoted pricks is an indication of a deeply flawed system that needs urgent rectification.



Have you thought about steralising people?

Probably.



Only people too thick to spell "Sterilizing" correctly.

Do you believe that people shouldn't be required to known how to drive a car before acquiring a drivers license? Do you believe that we should allow doctors to practice medicine without licensing them? Do you believe that anyone should be allowed to work with, for example, potassium cyanide, or should we only allow people trained in its use to handle it?

This isn't a left/right thing. This really isn't just about the Brexit or Trump either. It's common sense - voting is an act that can create such devastation that it must be used responsibly and thoughtfully.

https://youtu.be/0d-BUkhh5IY?t=179

Some people are clearly not qualified to do vote. They're way way too thick.


I agree. Everyone's stupid. The end.




WhoreMods -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:36:21 AM)

It's very definitely conservative, but that doesn't make it a bad paper in itself. They have to be a bit more careful about fact checking than the red tops because they aren't just writing about b list celebrities' sex lives and spoilers for the next season of Doctor Who. The Sun or the Mirror prints a load of lying crap and they get threatened with a libel suit and print a retraction at the back of the paper between the cartoons and the sports in a week or two. The stuff the FT covers, there can be harsher consequences if they're found to be lying.




LadyConstanze -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:37:12 AM)

There's also the Darwin Award...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/william-oliver-healey-referendum-petition_uk_576f8b28e4b0232d331e1b39




tweakabelle -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:37:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
The actual mechanism to leave the EU is to activate Article 50. I note that Cameron has decided to leave this to his successor. It also seems to be the case that none of the leaders of the Leave side are in a hurry to be the person who activates Art 50. As Parliament is said to be 75% pro-Remain, it might be the case that any agreement arising out of invoking Art 50 (if in fact that ever happens) may never get to pass the House of Commons. People can find all kinds of reasons for voting down measures, reasons that don't question the integrity of the referendum result.

I think they've all decided that it's the kiss of death to do so, which does call some of the claims that the leave camp were making in advance about how leaving the EU would save the NHS, boost the economy, stop immigration dead, and give everybody a free puppy. Obviously they didn't believe any of that noise themselves, or they'd be keen to claim credit for activating the article.
(One interesting issue that arises from all this is that neither house of Parliament is under any obligation to recognise the result of the referendum, though of course, the furore about this has now created a situation where the rest of the EU are insisting that we leave in a hurry.)


There are quite a few interesting issues arising post-referendum.

It doesn't appear that much thought has been given to the degree of entanglement that many decades of EU membership has brought about. It is open to question whether it is actually possible to disentangle the UK from the EU, or whether any such attempt might prove to be too complex and too far reaching in its consequences to be achievable, desirable or even possible.

For example what will happen to that body of law enacted under the auspices of the European treaties that has been the law of the land for some decades now? Will it all be abolished? Will precedents established under these laws continue to be valid? Can it all be retrospectively negated? There are many more areas where disentanglement will throw up thorny problems that might not be open to resolution. Disentanglement is far more complex than anyone is saying. It is far from clear whether it is even possible.

So, at the moment for the Leave camp, the job is only half done. Whether they will be able to repeat their success in the referendum and close the deal - and that means the UK actually leaving the EU - is far from clear at the moment. If I was on the Remain side, I wouldn't be as despondent as many of our UK posters are.




WhoreMods -> RE: Brexit Vote Results (6/28/2016 8:45:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
The actual mechanism to leave the EU is to activate Article 50. I note that Cameron has decided to leave this to his successor. It also seems to be the case that none of the leaders of the Leave side are in a hurry to be the person who activates Art 50. As Parliament is said to be 75% pro-Remain, it might be the case that any agreement arising out of invoking Art 50 (if in fact that ever happens) may never get to pass the House of Commons. People can find all kinds of reasons for voting down measures, reasons that don't question the integrity of the referendum result.

I think they've all decided that it's the kiss of death to do so, which does call some of the claims that the leave camp were making in advance about how leaving the EU would save the NHS, boost the economy, stop immigration dead, and give everybody a free puppy. Obviously they didn't believe any of that noise themselves, or they'd be keen to claim credit for activating the article.
(One interesting issue that arises from all this is that neither house of Parliament is under any obligation to recognise the result of the referendum, though of course, the furore about this has now created a situation where the rest of the EU are insisting that we leave in a hurry.)


There are quite a few interesting issues arising post-referendum.

It doesn't appear that much thought has been given to the degree of entanglement that many decades of EU membership has brought about. It is open to question whether it is actually possible to disentangle the UK from the EU, or whether any such attempt might prove to be too complex and too far reaching in its consequences to be achievable, desirable or even possible.

For example what will happen to that body of law enacted under the auspices of the European treaties that has been the law of the land for some decades now? Will it all be abolished? Will precedents established under these laws continue to be valid? Can it all be retrospectively negated? There are many more areas where disentanglement will throw up thorny problems that might not be open to resolution. Disentanglement is far more complex than anyone is saying. It is far from clear whether it is even possible.

So, at the moment for the Leave camp, the job is only half done. Whether they will be able to repeat their success in the referendum and close the deal - and that means the UK actually leaving the EU - is far from clear at the moment. If I was on the Remain side, I wouldn't be as despondent as many of our UK posters are.

I think most of those running the leave party from behind the scenes (party donors, rather than front men like Spode and Gove) are rather hoping that the law administered from the EU can be abolished or ignored now. All that nonsense about providing workers with rights and benefits for being employed just isn't British, is it? We didn't do any of that shite when we had an empire that covered a third of the globe, did we?

The really funny thing about this is that there's at least three rabidly right wing movements in other EU countries watching to see if we do manage (or even try) to disentangle ourselves before they start demanding their countries need to get out of the EU...




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