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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 11:25:39 AM   
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The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.

Shooting cops is not meant to bring about peace or equality. It is meant to sow terror and stir up the tensions and divisions in society in an effort to bring about a crisis situation. The best solution to this is to remain calm, weed out the bad actors, and look for solutions that don't play into the hands of authoritarians, racists and bigots.

You are right, a cop shoots a white man and nobody cares, a cop shoots a black man and there is rioting in the streets.

There was no rioting last night.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 11:28:47 AM   
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Vince DaddySatyr is absolutely right in my book... if you don't believe him why not take a drive up to Ballwin Missouri and talk to the family of the police officer shot in the neck today during a traffic stop... Maybe they could convince you he is right.

Butch

What does that have to do with Obama? You expect the president to react to every single incident that takes place in this country. What's your point, Butch? The police killing in Ballwin shows fault with the president? How?

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 11:35:40 AM   
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Vince I respect the President... but he is making a mistake in just providing lip service instead of directly condemning the movement, or at least its rhetoric, that is most definitely instigating violence against all police.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 11:44:57 AM   
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You also need to check your link

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 12:06:29 PM   
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The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.

Shooting cops is not meant to bring about peace or equality. It is meant to sow terror and stir up the tensions and divisions in society in an effort to bring about a crisis situation. The best solution to this is to remain calm, weed out the bad actors, and look for solutions that don't play into the hands of authoritarians, racists and bigots.

You are right, a cop shoots a white man and nobody cares, a cop shoots a black man and there is rioting in the streets.


Like Dylan Noble?

http://abc7.com/news/new-video-shows-portion-of-deadly-fresno-police-shooting/1416666/

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 12:07:42 PM   
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You also need to check your link

Thanks Butch. My mistake. Try this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSljJcebtqc

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 12:14:36 PM   
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Vince I respect the President... but he is making a mistake in just providing lip service instead of directly condemning the movement, or at least its rhetoric, that is most definitely instigating violence against all police.

Butch

What rhetoric is it that is instigating violence against the police? Did anyone call for violence against the cops? Please give me something specific instead of generalities.

Incidentally, the link I put up earlier is a black female cop. She makes some pretty good points.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 12:37:14 PM   
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What rhetoric is it that is instigating violence against the police?


Maybe this? (Also posted in another thread today)
Not exactly against the police, but still instigating...


DALLAS (AP) - 1:20 p.m.

A Texas Republican blames the words and actions of President Barack Obama and other prominent leaders for contributing to the deadly violence that occurred between police and individuals in Dallas.

Rep. Roger Williams said in a statement Friday that the "spread of misinformation and constant instigation by prominent leaders, including our president, have contributed to the modern day hostility we are witnessing between the police and those they serve."

The shooting late Thursday left five police officers dead and seven wounded. Two civilians were also hurt.

Williams' statement contrasts with the somber tone on the House floor and the effort by Republicans and Democrats to speak with one voice against the violence.


WASHINGTON (AP) - 11:45 a.m.

A former Illinois congressman is standing by a Twitter post he sent after the fatal shooting of police officers in Dallas in which he warned President Barack Obama to "Watch out."

Joe Walsh told The Associated Press on Friday that he didn't intend to incite violence against Obama or anyone else. He says, "that's just stupid" and "would be wrong and reprehensible."

The one-term Republican congressman and radio host from suburban Chicago posted the tweet after five police officers were killed and seven wounded during a protest of fatal shootings by police in Louisiana and Minnesota.

His tweet read: "This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you."

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 12:48:32 PM   
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welcome back to the sixties.

Hey, don't knock the sixties! Woo-hoo! Best years of my life (as well as I can remember).

Right, the wonderful sixties, which gave us the Watts riots, Kent State massacre, the events that led up to the reign of terror on the Pine Ridge reservation, and Walter Cronkite giving the daily casualty numbers from the war in Vietnam.

You may think that sums up the sixties, but all it really does is show us the filter through which you view the world.

K.




No, it does not sum up the sixties, but it sums up the major points that history addresses from the sixties. The counter culture movement attempted to bring about change, and when peaceful protests failed, splintered into various factions which did use violence to facilitate the change that was desired.

While it is true that the sixties brought about major changes in civil rights, it brought with it some major problems. Three men who could have fundamentally led this country into an era of greatness were assassinated for no more reason than they did support and promote change.

Yeah, we landed on the moon.

Guess what? I would have preferred to see the billions spent on that one achievement spent on dealing with the real social issues of the era that still affect this country to this day.

The sixties did more to polarize the people of this country than to unite them, and then to top it off, we have a crop of politicians on both sides of the fence who are doing nothing to make the changes necessary to stop the continued self powered spiral into the toilet.

The GOP screams about Obama not being hard on terrorists, their presumed choice for president is talking about building walls, banning entire religions from entering this country, putting all Muslims on some list as dangerous unless they start informing on their fellow Muslims, and the famous "Stand By Your cheating husband" bitch who was so concerned with her political future that she didnt dump the cheating asshole she was married to, who is now trying to prove that she is the white woman who will stop the big bad GOP from moving the US back 100 years politically.

K you and I rarely agree on anything political in nature, but I have to admit that you do press valid issues and most of the time, try to understand the points others try to make, even proposing compromises to find common ground (something your detractors either fail to mention or ignore completely.)

To be honest, if there were actually people with that ability and attitude were to run for office, I would be the first to vote for them.

Unfortunately, whether you wish to admit it or not, most if not 99% of politicians today speak to the fears of their constituents, thus creating and continuing the problems, not solving them.

This country needs leaders that will effect constructive change without alienating a large portion of the citizens. I am talking changes in law enforcement, civil rights, economic, environmental and social change.

And until we get them, there will be cops shooting unarmed African American males, hispanic males, who ever seems to ignite their rage at the moment. We will have drugs and drug related deaths, we will have gang violence, we will have people who should not own a water pistol going to walmart and buying a gun.

We, as a country do not need to ban anything or anyone, we need to unite and say with one voice, the shit stops now.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 1:33:56 PM   
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No, it does not sum up the sixties, but it sums up the major points that history addresses from the sixties. The counter culture movement attempted to bring about change, and when peaceful protests failed, splintered into various factions which did use violence to facilitate the change that was desired.

While it is true that the sixties brought about major changes in civil rights, it brought with it some major problems. Three men who could have fundamentally led this country into an era of greatness were assassinated for no more reason than they did support and promote change.

Umm, no. The 60s uncovered problems and divisions that already existed.

The counter culture movement was not responsible for any changes. The hippies and druggies were a selfish "drop out" phenomenon. The Civil Rights movement and the Anti-War movement were not lead by a bunch of druggies (not to say they did not partake)

The Vietnam War and Jim Crow were the major causes of social distress, in addition to the post-WW2 mass migration of blacks to the north and west.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 1:59:42 PM   
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The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.

Shooting cops is not meant to bring about peace or equality. It is meant to sow terror and stir up the tensions and divisions in society in an effort to bring about a crisis situation. The best solution to this is to remain calm, weed out the bad actors, and look for solutions that don't play into the hands of authoritarians, racists and bigots.

You are right, a cop shoots a white man and nobody cares, a cop shoots a black man and there is rioting in the streets.

There was no rioting last night.

They just murdered 5 cops guess that doesn't count in your book, after all if they were cops they deserved it didn't they.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 3:50:49 PM   
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Who is "they"?

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 3:55:59 PM   
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Who is "they"?


My guess is the black power group claiming responsibility and the folks that helped the mini-mart store misplace so much merchandise.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 3:58:39 PM   
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Who is "they"?


My guess is the black power group claiming responsibility and the folks that helped the mini-mart store misplace so much merchandise.


Thanks, it's easier when people are clear about who/or whom they are talking about.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 3:58:42 PM   
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Anyone (including ol' Dumbo Ears) who has ever demonized or dehumanized police officers with blanket statements has blood on their hands, today.



Michael



Presumably every police officer in your country is culpable for the shootings that kicked this tantrum off as well, then? Or do you think you can have one group tarbrushed, but not the other?



Wow! Your reasoning powers are a bit sub-standard.

"Anyone who has ever demonized ..." is a finite group, encompassing all types of people, not just African Americans, but race baiters and jaundiced-eyed SJWs. Politicians, spouting a line to get elected. The Minn. Chapter of BLM that marched while chanting: "Pigs in a blanket ..."

So, your attempt at refutation by way of compensation falls flat. Thanks for playing, though. You're dismissed.



Michael


http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07/08/black-lives-matter-supporters-react-to-dallas-shooting-with-most-disgusting-tweets-youve-ever-seen-362062

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 4:53:14 PM   
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Speaking of post-Dallas tweets:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-police-shooting-live-former-congressman-tweets-after-dallas-1467993783-htmlstory.html

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 5:03:03 PM   
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Vince the movement originated here in St Louis...If you like go back thru the Post Dispatch archives or check with the local television news archives You will see how over and over where the Black Lives movement has tried and convicted police officers before the facts were determined. This has instigated violence and property damage. The same is happening in these recent tragedies.

Then after property is damaged and violence occurs the leadership is shocked that it happened and condemns the injury death and destruction...when it is too late.

If it were a responsible and fair movement it would demand an investigation but at the same time calm the fear and anger and promote lawful protests when and only when all the facts are in... It is their duty to be sure the facts that support the police receive the same publicity as those that don't.

I do understand the movement has little centralized leadership and it is mostly an emotional response by African Americans with real grievances...but I believe it manifests itself to much of the American public as an unruly, violent, racist, unreasonable mob. Black Lives Matter is doing more to drive us apart than bring us together.

Tom I'm sure will be along and call me ten kind of racists ...But I can tell you with certainty my opinions expressed above represent the feelings of a large segment of my peers. and my area is representative, at least in political views, of my state. If the views are racists then the black lives movement is only reinforcing these views rather than working to change them.

Butch



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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 5:07:25 PM   
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Who is "they"?

The cops of course, arn't they the greatest concentration of evil in the nation?
White racists and black race traitors. They deserve to be guned down like the animals they are. (sracasm font off)

PS Marini, I know you don't think this way, but I am becoming convinced that Vincent does.


< Message edited by BamaD -- 7/8/2016 5:11:18 PM >


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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 5:12:50 PM   
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They just murdered 5 cops guess that doesn't count in your book, after all if they were cops they deserved it didn't they.

Aren't Dallas authorities now saying it was a lone gunman?

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RE: No lives matter - 7/8/2016 5:37:14 PM   
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They just murdered 5 cops guess that doesn't count in your book, after all if they were cops they deserved it didn't they.

Aren't Dallas authorities now saying it was a lone gunman?

So howcome they arrested 3 and killed one?
Why were they taking fire from more than one direction?
Most likely they used "lone gunman" to mean that they were not part of a larger group.
And if you were in thier place would you procliam that there is an organized group that has declared war on white America.
After all we have spent 8 years finding excuses to claim that ISIS has make no terror attacks how hard could it be to do the same thing here?

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