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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 7:41:32 AM   
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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 8:35:02 AM   
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Awareness, I hate to break the news to you, but:

More African American males are killed by African American males than by white cops.




Your argument is flawed: Law Enforcement Officers are supposed to protect and serve.
They are supposed to be highly trained and equipped to deal with stressful situations.

You can not compare their behavior to non-LEOs.




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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 8:43:17 AM   
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When black men are continually murdered by police officers and then those same police officers walk free due to the corruption within law enforcement, the resulting social tension is almost inevitably going to manifest itself violently.


52% of crime is committed by black people and yet twice as many whites are killed by the police as blacks. You have been misled by a biased press.




"Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white. Still, police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 8:52:17 AM   
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When black men are continually murdered by police officers and then those same police officers walk free due to the corruption within law enforcement, the resulting social tension is almost inevitably going to manifest itself violently.


52% of crime is committed by black people and yet twice as many whites are killed by the police as blacks. You have been misled by a biased press.




"Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white. Still, police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

It is a red herring to compare to total population.
52% of crime is commited by blacks.
This means that one would expect 52% of those killed by the police to be black.
Even huffington post admits that twice as many whites as blacks are killed by the police.
The post figure that the number is about the same for unarmed whites and blacks still has it more dangerous to be a white person in a confrontation with the police that to be black. Remember that the 48% left after the black 52% has to be devided among all other races.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 9:03:16 AM   
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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 10:53:21 AM   
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The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.

Shooting cops is not meant to bring about peace or equality. It is meant to sow terror and stir up the tensions and divisions in society in an effort to bring about a crisis situation. The best solution to this is to remain calm, weed out the bad actors, and look for solutions that don't play into the hands of authoritarians, racists and bigots.

You are right, a cop shoots a white man and nobody cares, a cop shoots a black man and there is rioting in the streets.

There was no rioting last night.

They just murdered 5 cops guess that doesn't count in your book, after all if they were cops they deserved it didn't they.

Hysteria, Bama. It was one fucked up shooter who got off 50- 60 rounds. The demonstration was peaceful until that idiot opened fire. You blame the demonstrators for one sicko action? Fuk!

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 10:58:13 AM   
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Anyone (including ol' Dumbo Ears) who has ever demonized or dehumanized police officers with blanket statements has blood on their hands, today.



Michael



Presumably every police officer in your country is culpable for the shootings that kicked this tantrum off as well, then? Or do you think you can have one group tarbrushed, but not the other?



Wow! Your reasoning powers are a bit sub-standard.

"Anyone who has ever demonized ..." is a finite group, encompassing all types of people, not just African Americans, but race baiters and jaundiced-eyed SJWs. Politicians, spouting a line to get elected. The Minn. Chapter of BLM that marched while chanting: "Pigs in a blanket ..."

So, your attempt at refutation by way of compensation falls flat. Thanks for playing, though. You're dismissed.



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http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/07/08/black-lives-matter-supporters-react-to-dallas-shooting-with-most-disgusting-tweets-youve-ever-seen-362062

Nothing in those tweets identify the tweeters as BLM supporters. Bullshit, OG

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 11:09:03 AM   
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Vince the movement originated here in St Louis...If you like go back thru the Post Dispatch archives or check with the local television news archives You will see how over and over where the Black Lives movement has tried and convicted police officers before the facts were determined. This has instigated violence and property damage. The same is happening in these recent tragedies.

Then after property is damaged and violence occurs the leadership is shocked that it happened and condemns the injury death and destruction...when it is too late.

I believe you are wrong, Butch. It is on you to supply the links for such sweeping comments.

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If it were a responsible and fair movement it would demand an investigation but at the same time calm the fear and anger and promote lawful protests when and only when all the facts are in... It is their duty to be sure the facts that support the police receive the same publicity as those that don't.

It is quite rare for a Prosecutor or a Grand Jury to bring an indictment against police in a black victim killing.

Incidentally, the store video of the Spencer shooting was taken by the police and has since been "lost"

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I do understand the movement has little centralized leadership and it is mostly an emotional response by African Americans with real grievances...but I believe it manifests itself to much of the American public as an unruly, violent, racist, unreasonable mob. Black Lives Matter is doing more to drive us apart than bring us together.


Butch, I believe you are wrong and disseminating propaganda.

11 Major Misconceptions About the Black Lives Matter Movement

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 2:22:19 PM   
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The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.

Shooting cops is not meant to bring about peace or equality. It is meant to sow terror and stir up the tensions and divisions in society in an effort to bring about a crisis situation. The best solution to this is to remain calm, weed out the bad actors, and look for solutions that don't play into the hands of authoritarians, racists and bigots.

You are right, a cop shoots a white man and nobody cares, a cop shoots a black man and there is rioting in the streets.

There was no rioting last night.

They just murdered 5 cops guess that doesn't count in your book, after all if they were cops they deserved it didn't they.

Hysteria, Bama. It was one fucked up shooter who got off 50- 60 rounds. The demonstration was peaceful until that idiot opened fire. You blame the demonstrators for one sicko action? Fuk!

When did I say that the people who weren't shooting were responsible, in fact I have said that the shooter(s) used the BLM demonstration for cover.
However one cop screws up and you have no problem condeming all cops.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 2:45:11 PM   
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When black men are continually murdered by police officers and then those same police officers walk free due to the corruption within law enforcement, the resulting social tension is almost inevitably going to manifest itself violently.


52% of crime is committed by black people and yet twice as many whites are killed by the police as blacks. You have been misled by a biased press.




"Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white. Still, police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html

It is a red herring to compare to total population.
52% of crime is commited by blacks.
This means that one would expect 52% of those killed by the police to be black.
Even huffington post admits that twice as many whites as blacks are killed by the police.
The post figure that the number is about the same for unarmed whites and blacks still has it more dangerous to be a white person in a confrontation with the police that to be black. Remember that the 48% left after the black 52% has to be devided among all other races.

Now, that is simply not true. that is the red herring, show me white men that were arrested for selling loose cigarrettes, and white men arrested for selling cds, then compare that to blacks, also, bonus welfare points for you if you can show an equivalent correspondence of white loose cig sellers being offed by the pigs. Extra welfare check this month for white criminal cd sellers being offed by the doughnut holes...........

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 3:26:53 PM   
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You blame the demonstrators for one sicko action? Fuk!


It seems to be human nature don't you think...Black lives matter seems to be blaming all 900,000 white police for three questionable sicko cops... if they even are.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 4:25:05 PM   
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Awareness, I hate to break the news to you, but:

More African American males are killed by African American males than by white cops.




Your argument is flawed: Law Enforcement Officers are supposed to protect and serve.
They are supposed to be highly trained and equipped to deal with stressful situations.

You can not compare their behavior to non-LEOs.






Flawed? There are 1.1 million police officers in the US working for various agencies, of which, approximately 765000 are on the streets as patrol officers.

In 2015, there were 990 officer involved shootings resulting in a fatality.

948 males
42 females


Race:
White 494
Black 258
Hispanic 172
Other 38
Unknown 28

Threat Level
Attack in progress 730
Other 216
Undetermined 44

Source


That means that one out of every 772 police officers drew, fired and killed someone.

According to Black Lives Matter and the media, this shit is happening on a daily if not hourly basis.


Now according to BLM spokesmen, some media idiots and various self righteous morons, there were twice as many blacks killed by cops in 2015.

What is worse, is that liberals and other well meaning ignorant fools with no clue as to how to check the validity of facts being fed them like pablum take that false information, get a bunch of mindless idiots fired up and then some fucking moron uses it as an excuse to pull the kind of shit we see in Dallas.

The result is that men and women already in an overly stressful job are put even more on edge because they have no clue as to who may or may not shoot at them or if some fucking moron is playing his warped version of an avenging angel and hunting them like I hunt deer.

Self perpetuating cycle I believe is the term.

So instead of trying to stop the cycle, you get even more self righteous idiots screaming about cops singling out blacks and then even more blacks start letting paranoia take over and then hey, they get jumpy, cop is already jumpy and someone dies, then there is a riot and a lot of people die.

Then the governor has no choice but to call in the national guard and declare a state of emergency and Americans get to walk around a city that looks like occupied Baghdad with armed troops on the corners and MRAPS running along the streets with machine guns locked and loaded.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 5:12:29 PM   
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What is worse, is that liberals and other well meaning ignorant fools with no clue as to how to check the validity of facts being fed them like pablum take that false information, get a bunch of mindless idiots fired up and then some fucking moron uses it as an excuse to pull the kind of shit we see in Dallas.

Or even that some factless smug self-righteous nutsucker builds that strawman because they cant do simple fucking maths.

But forget fatal, thats bad enough, just shoots a motherfucker.

a is proportionally equal to b iff (that means if and only if) normalized a = normalized b. In this case, b is way out of fucking whack. it is not EQUAL it is not EQUIVALENT it is not the SAME, it is none of the above. Explain.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 5:22:26 PM   
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Awareness, I hate to break the news to you, but:

More African American males are killed by African American males than by white cops.




Your argument is flawed: Law Enforcement Officers are supposed to protect and serve.
They are supposed to be highly trained and equipped to deal with stressful situations.

You can not compare their behavior to non-LEOs.






Flawed? There are 1.1 million police officers in the US working for various agencies, of which, approximately 765000 are on the streets as patrol officers.

In 2015, there were 990 officer involved shootings resulting in a fatality.

948 males
42 females


Race:
White 494
Black 258
Hispanic 172
Other 38
Unknown 28

Threat Level
Attack in progress 730
Other 216
Undetermined 44

Source


That means that one out of every 772 police officers drew, fired and killed someone.

According to Black Lives Matter and the media, this shit is happening on a daily if not hourly basis.





If 990 people died then yes, it is definitely happening on a daily basis... at a rate of more than 2/day.

I am not suggesting that this is happening at a greater frequency.
I think events are being filmed more frequently.

That does not change the fact that LEOs are supposed to protect and serve and when unarmed people die there should be a close examination of the reasons.


The officer who shot Philando Castile reportedly told his lawyer that the gun was the issue and not race but since many racial biases are subconscious... .
What is known is that Mr. Castile had a legal right to carry a concealed weapon.


I get that to you it seems like every LEO is being portrayed as trigger-happy without regard to the laws they are sworn to enforce.
I don't think that a National discussion to determine what can be done better/different is undermining the good that good policing does.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 5:49:10 PM   
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If 990 people died then yes, it is definitely happening on a daily basis... at a rate of more than 2/day.

I am not suggesting that this is happening at a greater frequency.
I think events are being filmed more frequently.

That does not change the fact that LEOs are supposed to protect and serve and when unarmed people die there should be a close examination of the reasons.


The officer who shot Philando Castile reportedly told his lawyer that the gun was the issue and not race but since many racial biases are subconscious... .
What is known is that Mr. Castile had a legal right to carry a concealed weapon.


I get that to you it seems like every LEO is being portrayed as trigger-happy without regard to the laws they are sworn to enforce.
I don't think that a National discussion to determine what can be done better/different is undermining the good that good policing does.



According to BLM and the media, African American males are being killed at twice the rate as whites, and to hear them preach their gospel, the majority of them are unarmed.

Cops are being portrayed as trigger happy racist bastards looking to shoot any African American they stop for whatever reason, hence the whole "black lives Matter" bullshit.

And the more they spout that bullshit, the more some black guy is going to take a gun and go hunting white cops.

Now, you can keep putting your head in the sand and keep telling people that it is because white cops are killing black men.

Now, I will give you that cops are to protect and serve. However, whether you want admit it or not, when this constant bullshit floods the media and people go out HUNTING cops out of some misguided notion that killing white cops will stop it, is not helping matters. It is making them worse.

The shoot first and then ask questions is a direct result of being in a NATIONAL environment when you have no clue as to who may or may not try to put a bullet in you. Combat troops are trained to asses and then act in any given situation, however, when you are in a combat zone where the enemy is not wearing a uniform, you have no clue as to whether that person approaching you is friendly or got a bomb strapped to them.

So, if they dont stop for whatever reason, you fucking shoot. I would rather make a mistake and wake up tomorrow than take the chance that person is not going to try and kill me or those around me.

And the cop hunting has cops feeling the same way and then you and those who are buying the bullshit are telling everyone the cops are wrong to be worried.

If you have not been on the sharp end, whether in the military or as a cop, then you have no clue as to what those people are thinking.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 6:39:28 PM   
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You blame the demonstrators for one sicko action? Fuk!


It seems to be human nature don't you think...Black lives matter seems to be blaming all 900,000 white police for three questionable sicko cops... if they even are.

There were more sicko cops than that fired in furgistan.


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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 6:41:15 PM   
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However one cop screws up and you have no problem condeming all cops.


Except it is not just one sicko cop now is it?

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 7:22:17 PM   
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Sweeping?...Vince pick ANY news story on Black Lives Matter you want... is that sweeping enough for you? Read the signs... listen to the rhetoric. Some are peaceful some are not but all have the police in the wrong without proof or an investigation.... or an opportunity for the justice system to work.

In St Louis the black lives matter movement instigated riots on three occasions ... in one... police officers were shot... whole neighborhoods were burnt to the ground costing millions of dollars... businesses were looted over and over. In all three instances, after an investigation, all four officers were exonerated... Not because they were white and police... but because they were innocent.

I am not saying that the officers in the news today are innocent... I'm not saying if the facts come out and justice is lacking that there should not be protests... But I'm tired and pissed at the attempts and demands to try these men in social media invoking violence.

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RE: No lives matter - 7/9/2016 8:13:33 PM   
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"Anyone who has ever demonized ..." is a finite group

As is cops who needlessly shoot black males (I don't say men, because kids are also targets it seems).

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RE: No lives matter - 7/10/2016 6:09:12 AM   
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The BLM movement is not saying that non-Black lives don't matter. It is saying that a disproportionate lack of care and attention is being given to the lives of Black people.


Then they should be saying ALL Lives Matter, that all Lives should be treated equally.

Black Live Matters sounds like, they want more attention to black more specifically than other races.

I mean, Hispanics probably gets it as bad as the blacks and you don't see them starting a hispanic life matters.

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