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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/26/2016 4:28:30 PM   
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I do understand the suffering of the innocent but if there is a price to pay it should not be us paying it. I have never been for turning people away but I do believe that rather then open borders there should be humane refugee camps where people can be returned to their homes when hostilities end.

Refugee camps do not have to be hell holes... If they are properly supported and policed by the world body they can serve their purpose humanely.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/26/2016 4:31:07 PM   
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Do you remember how those of us that thought we should be more selective with who we allowed to emigrate to the US were called racist? Will I think the wisdom of that way of thinking is hitting home hard in the UE.

I do understand the suffering of the innocent but if there is a price to pay it should not be us paying it. I have never been for turning people away but I do believe that rather then open borders there should be humane refugee camps where people can be returned to their homes when hostilities end.

Refugee camps do not have to be hell holes... If they are properly supported and policed by the world body they can serve their purpose humanely.

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Did they stop calling us racist, I missed that.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/26/2016 4:49:01 PM   
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WTF happened in Normandy?
Oh, that's easily answered. Islam. Islam happened in Normandy.

Muslims are like guns. The more you have in a country, the more murder that country experiences.

Simple, really.



Which isn't actually true, as demonstrated by the fact that per head muslims commit fewer murders than white members of our society.
White is a race. Islam is a religion. How on earth are you comparing rates for two different things?

Second, your comparison is idiocy. Islam engages in a lot of state-sanctioned murder, plus it turns a blind eye to honor killings and other foul deeds. What you're actually saying is that Islamic societies have institutionalised state murder and lawlessness. Islamic societies ARREST fewer people than Western societies do because we have very low rates of state-sanctioned murder and we also have law and order.


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But, if you think this is symptomatic of a case of muslims being more violent than anyone else then you couldn't be farther from the truth.
Oh, you're absolutely right. Why would a people who follow a creed which tells them to murder people who don't believe in their Prophet and to kill Jews possibly be any more violent than those people whose creed says "Love your enemies and pray for those who hurt you"?

What the fuck are you smoking, dude?


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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/26/2016 5:13:08 PM   
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I told people a long time ago. Leave then alone. And these liberal views are poison. We ARE NOT all the same. How many throats have Christians cut in the name of religion ? And that is what it was unless he raped some of their little boys. How many throats have atheists cut in the name of religion ? Even the Jews aren't that nasty. I don't know about you but I would rather get shot than have my throat cut and take hours to bleed to death. At least they shoot to kill, once your heart stops you only suffer for a matter of minutes.

Now this is rich :

"Kermiche was known to anti-terror authorities after two attempts in 2015 to travel abroad -- at least once to Syria -- using a relative's identification, prosecutor Francois Molins said. Kermiche was wearing an "electronic tag" during the attack, he said. "

What are they fucking that stupid there ? Let him go to Syria. And not let him back in. I wonder what they're putting in the water there, or maybe they got ergot again. Jeez.

In the US, you can be a legal immigrant, have a job, pay taxes and buy a house, but you can't visit the old country because you might not be able get back in. So France is worse ? You are not allowed to LEAVE, even if you are a suspected terrorist ? I think they should at least have let him leave, in fact encouraged him to leave.

You know, I cannot move to Australia because I do not meet the financial requirements. I can't even enter Canada until 2020 because I got a DUI in 2010, which isn't even a felony and there were no victims.

And the US with this no-fly list. That is the stupidest of all. You can't even take a fucking nail clipper on a plane these days, what is someone going to do ? Maybe all Karate experts should be on the list because they cannot be disarmed, unless of course you literally cut their arms off.

But I have figured it out, governments WANT to fail. Then they can cite the need for more money and lore laws and more police and more spying. Remember 1993 and the WTC. And in 2001 I said arm the pilots, but no, they are apparently worried about bullet holes in the plane. Well would you rather have the whole thing gone you dumb motherfucker ? But they are not dumb, they got insurance.

France is governed by the same kind of motherfuckers as most of the world and you can be sure they will not let such a tragedy go unexploited. they probably had something similar to the PATRIOT ACT already written and are just waiting for the right time to present it to parliament and threaten them if they don't support it they are responsible for the next terrorist act. And you know it. The PATRIOT ACT got signed on October 26th, and supposedly only conceived after November 11th of the same year ? You can't even type that fast. Not when you are composing. Maybe copying, maybe with a computer compiling from... from what ?

BOTTOM LINE - TERRORIST ACTS ARE GOOD SALES PITCHES FOR GOVERNMENTS.

I cannot believe they did not just let the guy leave. I wish people who hate USians would GTFO. But the stupid ass, no traitorous US government would make them fucking walk to Cuba or Eurasia or whatever. They should not only let them fly but also pay for the ticket. At least 100 million of us would be willing to chip in. Hell, charter them a flight on AF-1. Goodbye. you hate us, go be with people you do not hate.

How much simpler can it be put. Go home, do not come back.

Of course now it is going to turn out that he was born there just like the guy in Florida was born here. Well then immigration was too loose when the Parents got here. (or there)

And they want it this way.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/26/2016 11:02:03 PM   
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"Kermiche was known to anti-terror authorities after two attempts in 2015 to travel abroad -- at least once to Syria -- using a relative's identification, prosecutor Francois Molins said. Kermiche was wearing an "electronic tag" during the attack, he said. "

What are they fucking that stupid there ? Let him go to Syria. And not let him back in. I wonder what they're putting in the water there, or maybe they got ergot again. Jeez.

We have similar nutters here running our country.
They try to stop the jihadists from leaving rather than letting them go and not letting them back.
They are under the insane idea that they can be "un-radicalized" and be re-educated to being a good little citizen.
WTF?? These people are already over the edge - you can't convert or reason with them.
Like you, I say let the fuckers go but don't let them back.
The moment they are out of juristiction, strip them of their citizenship and cancel their passports.


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I cannot believe they did not just let the guy leave. I wish people who hate USians would GTFO. But the stupid ass, no traitorous US government would make them fucking walk to Cuba or Eurasia or whatever. They should not only let them fly but also pay for the ticket. At least 100 million of us would be willing to chip in. Hell, charter them a flight on AF-1. Goodbye. you hate us, go be with people you do not hate.

How much simpler can it be put. Go home, do not come back.

I think all those that don't like where they are living should be returned from whence they came.
The same for hate preachers, anyone on a terrorist watch list or anyone that has connections to any terrorist group.
I'm sure a good chunk of us would chip-in for their air fare to be rid of them.
It took our government a decade to get rid of that Qatarda bastard because of EU fucking laws that he played out.


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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 4:04:48 AM   
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He never managed to get into Syria and he could not be banned/deported from France because he is French.


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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 6:36:58 AM   
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The latest news about Adel Kermiche says he was born in France to Algerian parents. He had suffered from mental illness from the age of 6 and regularly hospitalized. Locals say, Kermiche was not very bright and very gullible. He would often be seen with visible signs of a mental disorder. His parents are none practicing Muslims.

He never managed to get into Syria and he could not be banned/deported from France because he is French.



Not even sure where to start here.
I would bet MORE than half of all the refugees are either depressed, suffering from PTSD, or any number of mental illnesses, so if they snap and decide to join isis, launch terror attacks, commit atrocities, horrifically murder a priest, and blow up half of Europe, due to they're being "mentally ill", good luck with that.

Depending on what source you use, 55% to 65% of those incarcerated have some form {any many are serious} of mental illness.
I am an advocate for expanding mental health facilities, mental health awareness, and I think it is one of the major issues in society,
that is severely and criminally not been addressed.
Society pays dearly for not putting more resources into addressing mental health issues.

Percentage of prisoners with mental illness

I have always assumed and thought most people realized that most terrorists ARE mentally ill.
NEWSFLASH!!! Most terrorists are mentally ill.

International policy digest - mental illness and terrorism


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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 6:49:07 AM   
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The latest news about Adel Kermiche says he was born in France to Algerian parents. He had suffered from mental illness from the age of 6 and regularly hospitalized. Locals say, Kermiche was not very bright and very gullible. He would often be seen with visible signs of a mental disorder. His parents are none practicing Muslims.

He never managed to get into Syria and he could not be banned/deported from France because he is French.



Not even sure where to start here.
I would bet MORE than half of all the refugees are either depressed, suffering from PTSD, or any number of mental illnesses, so if they snap and decide to join isis, launch terror attacks, commit atrocities, horrifically murder a priest, and blow up half of Europe, due to they're being "mentally ill", good luck with that.

Depending on what source you use, 55% to 65% of those incarcerated have some form {any many are serious} of mental illness.
I am an advocate for expanding mental health facilities, mental health awareness, and I think it is one of the major issues in society,
that is severely and criminally not been addressed.
Society pays dearly for not putting more resources into addressing mental health issues.

Percentage of prisoners with mental illness

I have never seen it discussed here, but I bet MOST fucking terrorists are mentally ill!!!



He’s not a refugee but he is a terrorist. I'm not excusing him, just reporting the latest findings.

Apparently his parents (his mum's a professor) pleaded with the authorities to tag him and treat his mental illness after his first attempt to get into Syria. The authorities refused.

Having lived and worked in France, I know that mental illness is often hidden away behind closed doors because its still considered a shameful thing.



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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 7:08:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		The US is paying dearly for not putting resources, facilities and focus on mental illness.
Many of our mentally ill are out on the street, until they commit a crime.
The USA has a mental health crisis.
Let me know if any of the candidates address THAT.
Anyone that is not aware of the link between most crimes, mental illness, prisons etc.---only needs to use google.

I don't even know where to start here.
I will say all of society suffers for the lack of awareness and resources for the mentally ill.

Personally, I feel that many people have some form of mental illness.

I also think that we are at a turning point in Western society that WILL forever change this world.
I am convinced we are now witnessing the decline in Western civilization.

We will not have the luxury to use mental illness for any act/acts of terrorism.
It is a fact, not an excuse.
Ex.- He was French, mentally ill and 19.
Just another fact, not an excuse.

Many of us can probably agree that in order to BE a terrorist, and have a terrorist MENTALITY you are more than likely---> mentally ill.

Again, not an EXCUSE, a FACT.
I don't have the time but feel free to look at the links between: Mental Illness and poverty, alcohol, drugs, violence, abuse, domestic violence, prostitution, sex offenders, schizophrenia, you name it and there is a link!


Mental illness is linked to damn near everything.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 8:33:34 AM   
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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 8:38:40 AM   
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WTF happened in Normandy?
Oh, that's easily answered. Islam. Islam happened in Normandy.

Muslims are like guns. The more you have in a country, the more murder that country experiences.

Simple, really.



Which isn't actually true, as demonstrated by the fact that per head muslims commit fewer murders than white members of our society.

That is on record.

These people cutting people's throats should of course be hanged, whatever their background.

But, it matters to be fair, and a few lunatics do not speak for the vast majority.

And, these events weren't happening before we started throwing our weight about in their countries.

The clear solution: leave these places.

These lunatics will still be lunatics, but they'll no longer have the Western vehicle for their violence.

They'll commit violent acts somewhere along the line because clearly the fuckers aren't a full shillin'.

But, if you think this is symptomatic of a case of muslims being more violent than anyone else then you couldn't be farther from the truth.






Post hoc ergo propter hoc? Nah
The intolerant violence is unchanged for 1400 years; the problem is they have emigrated.
The solution is death/banishment.
Let them kill each other


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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:03:59 AM   
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Priests - hmm a bunch of shirt lifters and abusers - the papal seal


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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:16:04 AM   
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Many of us can probably agree that in order to BE a terrorist, and have a terrorist MENTALITY you are more than likely---> mentally ill.

Sorry Marini, I disagree.

To be a terrorist and have that mentality requires an extremely strong conviction that you are doing right according to your belief.
To actually carry that into actions also requires a very strong and solidly determined mindset.
That's not the type of mind you'd find in someone who is mentally ill.
Most people don't have the courage or single-mindedness to go from fantasy to reality - that takes real balls and steely determination.
Even more so when you are pretty certain that you are going to die in the process; that takes unprecedented and dedicated devotion.

ETA: By all means, use mental illness as a limp excuse for their behaviour. That's what the populace want to hear rather than the fact that the misfit perp just didn't like us for whatever reason his goal was.
It's psychology. We don't like to hear that we were shunned in some way, so the do-gooders find a convenient scapegoat way to explain the actions to save our delicate little ego's.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:25:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry my friend.. wanton killing of innocents and suicide is the act of the mentally unstable.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:32:34 AM   
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Would you say that of all US military that are ordered to kill where many innocents will also die?
Or those that engaged in 'extra curricular activities' with prisoners?

No. These jihadists have a strong belief that they are god's messenger and that paradise awaits for their actions.
That's not a whole lot different than pure hardened dedication that we drill into our troops.


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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:42:59 AM   
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Measured by who's yardstick??!


By other sane people.

Define wanton.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:47:28 AM   
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Sorry my friend.. wanton killing of innocents and suicide is the act of the mentally unstable.

Butch

But not all mentally unstable people are killers.
A bit like not all muslims, men, women, christians, jews, black people, white people, yellow people red blue and brown people.

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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:53:38 AM   
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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:56:19 AM   
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Measured by who's yardstick??!


By other sane people.

Define wanton.

Butch

And who is to say that your version is that of someone sane??

Wiki [Wanton]: showing no thought or care for the rights, feelings, or safety of others.

That pretty much describes the actions of the military.

So why is it good for the military to do it but bad when jihadists (soldiers of the opposing forces) do it?
Seems to be a bit of a myopic PoV if you ask me.
It's very much along the lines of the jihadists: What I do is right and what you do is wrong.



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RE: WTF happened in Normandy - 7/27/2016 10:57:57 AM   
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(of a cruel or violent action) deliberate and unprovoked.
"sheer wanton vandalism"
synonyms: deliberate, willful, malicious, spiteful, wicked, cruel; gratuitous, unprovoked, motiveless, arbitrary, groundless, unjustifiable, needless, unnecessary, uncalled for, senseless, pointless, purposeless, meaningless, empty, random; capricious
"wanton destruction"

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