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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 7:06:07 AM   
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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 7:18:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a bit rude to ask someone to go out with you and then dump half the bill on them at the end of the night. You might have gotten a different answer if you had said that this is what you were planning at the time of asking. If a woman does offer to pay her share of the first date I take that as a sign that I have been friend-zoned, because that is nearly always what it means.

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 7:25:36 AM   
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I've told the story, here, before. I was 18 or 19 years old (1982 or '83). I asked a young lady to go to a specific restaurant on a Monday night because they had specials I could afford. I was making less than $10,000 a year, at the time. She was a nuclear medicine technician and made $48,000 (about which she constantly reminded anyone that would listen).

I got to her house and she said she wouldn't be going anywhere on my motorcycle (she knew it was my only mode of transportation, when I asked her out). We got in her car and then, she informed me we were going to a different restaurant. It was one where the food was too spicy for me, but that didn't matter.

I could afford NOTHING on the menu (well, appetizers, maybe).

I ordered the cheapest thing that I thought would have the least amount of stomach burn (Mexican food is ALWAYS spicy).

When the check came, the waitress placed it on the edge of the table, between us. She started doing the stare-down and I refused to reach for the check. I hadn't planned on this kind of evening.

Finally, she said: "Are you serious?!"

I said: "God bless Gloria Steinem. I've got the tip." (It was about all I could afford)



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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 7:34:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to admit that I have refused to carry on with the date when he turn up in a motorcycle.

It was too intimate to have such close body contact on someone I am not sure about yet, and he never told me he was picking me up in a motorcycle. I am like pretty anal about no physical contact until I agree to go further with a male, so a motorbike was a big no no!

But other than that, DS, if I were you, I would be honest with her, and say directly like, "I really like you and like to buy you dinner and spend some time with you, but that restaurant is within my budget to do so, is it okay if we use the restaurant I chose?"

Like if a man explained that to me, I would be cool about it. But if she got upset and nasty about it, maybe it's better to not proceed with the date any more, why bother?

But anyway, my own dating rule, always let the man pick the place, but of course what he picks and the reasons why he pick them reflects on him. I like it when a man checks with me what cuisine I prefer, for example. And he can choose the cheapest place for that cuisine for all I care, but that he cared that the place will serve something I enjoy eating is super cool.

And I love pizza, so if a man's on a budget. Pizza will always make me super happy. No matter how cheap the pizza is! These was years ago but I went on a date in the UK with a Brit dude, I went to visit him, and he took me out for pizza that cost 1.90pound for a 16 inch pizza. He got himself one pizza and me my own pizza. Got us drinks. It was great! Happy date! I also knew he was financially strapped because he told me. And I understood.



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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 7:42:50 AM   
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I never understood why do men who prefers to go dutch bother dating women who believes in traditional dating where men pays.
Actually, most feminist would insist on paying their share.
And if they really like you, they would even foot the whole bill.
Ahem. No, Greta.

One of the things you'll learn about feminists is that they despise tradition, except where those traditions work to their advantage. Consequently feminists come up with a whole raft of excuses for why men should pay including rambling on about the mythical gender wage gap. Basically, to be a feminist is to be a whining, squalling child who thinks the whole world owes her a living.


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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 7:47:29 AM   
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I was talking to my brother a few weeks ago and he told me that if a woman offers to pay her half on a date, then he takes that as a signal that she's not interested in him.

I'd never even heard of or considered that.
Not quite right. If she's a decent woman she'll offer to pay for herself but won't press the issue if the guy refuses her offer. If she's not interested, she WON'T LET him pay for her. Women who aren't interested will generally avoid any sense of obligation like the plague.

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 9:46:26 AM   
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It's a bit rude to ask someone to go out with you and then dump half the bill on them at the end of the night. You might have gotten a different answer if you had said that this is what you were planning at the time of asking. If a woman does offer to pay her share of the first date I take that as a sign that I have been friend-zoned, because that is nearly always what it means.


That's not been my experience, I must say. Women I've got together with have tended to be feminists - because I tend to find these more congenial. (Well, actually, that's most of the women I even meet, anyway.) They'll offer to pay half, or just will pay half anyway - but won't make a fuss about it. Easy enough. I also must say: the type of woman I expect to demand to be paid for is going to be right wing and non- or even anti- feminist. I have picture in my head of a 'powder-puff type', as I call them: the sort who considers herself an expensive jewel and will pout furiously unless she's treated that way by means of extensive wallet-emptying on my part ....

RM, I suspect, wouldn't recognise this nor even understand what I'm talking about - in part, I think, because he's already pre-defined a 'feminist' as 'someone who wants to grab what she can off men'.

But, but, we've done this subject of 'Who pays on first dates?' many, many times on this forum. The whole issue can turn into a damned minefield. There'll be women who claim to be feminists, but who want the man to pay and that does indeed smell of hypocrisy. There'll also be women - and men - who appreciate what feminism is, but also have a fondness for some old-fashioned manners. An example of the latter is the tacit rule that the person asking the other on a date, pays. And then there's the easy-going feminist who is conscious that man might feel somewhat insulted unless he pays the entire bill.

To hell with it, I always think. I'll generally take the route that least makes paying the bill an issue. But, then, the sort of women I meet are the same. Again: I don't tend to get together with powder-puffs. Or man-haters, or tiresome, raging anti-feminists. In fact, I don't even know any of those sorts, these days. Sorted. :)

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 10:20:47 AM   
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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 7/31/2016 8:33:29 PM   
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I'm pretty sure all of the adult women I have dated offered to pay for dates and one insisted -- even when I earned considerably more.

Let's just run with your assertion though. Yes, large numbers of women refuse to pay for their own food. Why are you dating those women? Don't you have some obligation to defend your own boundaries rather than be used like an old dishrag? If you're setting up a date with someone, don't you discuss this before-hand unless you are perfectly prepared to pay? How does this happen to you? Why do you let it? And what has it got to do with whether women should have equal rights?

Edited after discussion with Carol
I talked this over with Carol and she absolutely asserted that she expected the man to pay if it was anything other than a coffee-shop type date... particularly in the beginning. Fundamentally, she wanted the dominant male in the traditional roles.

I pointed out that that seemed pretty fair since as we were having this conversation she had a collar around her neck... accepting the subordinate role.

In the end, we got back to, "If the guy doesn't want to assume the role of financial provider then he should not date that woman."

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 2:51:14 AM   
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I never understood why do men who prefers to go dutch bother dating women who believes in traditional dating where men pays.
Actually, most feminist would insist on paying their share.
And if they really like you, they would even foot the whole bill.
Ahem. No, Greta.

One of the things you'll learn about feminists is that they despise tradition, except where those traditions work to their advantage. Consequently feminists come up with a whole raft of excuses for why men should pay including rambling on about the mythical gender wage gap. Basically, to be a feminist is to be a whining, squalling child who thinks the whole world owes her a living.


One thing that feminists really do despise (as opposed to your imaginary ravings) is foul, loud-mouthed, ignorant, opinionated, obnoxious, grossly obese, ugly men, whose astronomical sense of entitlement is matched only by their ego. That seems to describe you to a 't'.

So I wonder how many feminists have knocked you back? Just about every one you have ever met is my guess. One saving(?) grace might be that your familiarity with feminism is infinitesimally tiny, which suggests that you may have only met one or two real living feminists in your life (as opposed to the 'feminists' that inhabit your imagination and ignite your obsessions).

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 5:50:22 AM   
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So I wonder how many feminists have knocked you back? Just about every one you have ever met is my guess.

I think you're failing to take that one far enough, tweak. Clearly every woman who has ever knocked him back has been a feminist, because if they weren't, they'd be desperate for his unreconstructed non-pc lovin', wouldn't they? If they weren't a feminist, they wouldn't dream of knocking him him back...

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 8:56:57 AM   
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One thing that feminists really do despise (as opposed to your imaginary ravings) is foul, loud-mouthed, ignorant, opinionated, obnoxious, grossly obese, ugly men, whose astronomical sense of entitlement is matched only by their ego. That seems to describe you to a 't'.
Hello Chubster, it's been far too long since you let your ugly out to play.

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So I wonder how many feminists have knocked you back?
Absolutely none. Ever. Wanna know why? Because feminists are women. And women like to be fucked.

Sure, it causes them endless consternation reconciling their desire to be dominated with their nutty gender-based beliefs, but that's not really my problem. It's theirs.

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Just about every one you have ever met is my guess. One saving(?) grace might be that your familiarity with feminism is infinitesimally tiny, which suggests that you may have only met one or two real living feminists in your life (as opposed to the 'feminists' that inhabit your imagination and ignite your obsessions).
Well most feminists are either fat or ugly or both. Women who possess genuine sexual power don't need to subscribe to an ideology for losers. Oh, as women get older they tend to lean in feminism's direction as their sexual power wanes, although there's significant variation there, too.

But yeah, the most virulent, misandrist, man-hating feminists are usually hideous wildebeests. Seems all that rejection from men sends them right off the deep end.




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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 4:29:48 PM   
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Well most feminists are either fat or ugly or both.


Not at all my experience. Feminists call themselves that because they're into the ideas of freedom and equality. So they tend to be into such things as the equal freedom to enjoy themselves in bed. Feminists tend to be 'goers', basically. They're absolutely going to have damned good orgasm (or more) if they can get it. Why would I want a woman who's any different?

I hear that a woman's an ardent feminist and I think: 'Great - she'll be a bouncer in bed!'. That's basically it, for me. Just empirical evidence, I'm saying. I don't do high theory when it comes to picking my bonking partners.

On the other hand non-feminists or anti-feminists, in my experience, have tended to be pillow-biters. That is: they've crushed down their primitive desires in the sack department, in order to be what they consider to be 'ladylike', and merely 'put up with' what their man wants to do *to* them (sex being 'what a man actively does to a passively-receiving woman', basically).

Feminists have almost never been fat or ugly, in my experience. Why would they be? They've worked it out that they want good sex and have the right to it; further, this will only happen if they can clinch a man that turns them on, and that in turn will only happen if they look good enough for the sort of men that they'll enjoy in bed. The gym-going women I've met and got to know have been keen feminists - for the past fifteen years, without exception.

You and I clearly *do not* live in the same world when it comes to women and sex. Not even as regards femsubs (quite a few of whom I've gone to bed with) ... because, for the life of me, I cannot see how a femsub who's worthy of getting into the sack can be any fun at all unless she's worked it out that she *wants* to be dominated - which absolutely necessitates, prior to that, that what she wants is crucial in the grander scheme of things - something that would be inconceivable to a non-feminist. You may drip as much scorn as you like on the notion, A, but I honestly can't see how a femsub can enjoy being a femsub without first having utterly absorbed some fundamental feminist principles.

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 4:36:26 PM   
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Well most feminists are either fat or ugly or both. Women who possess genuine sexual power don't need to subscribe to an ideology for losers. Oh, as women get older they tend to lean in feminism's direction as their sexual power wanes, although there's significant variation there, too.

But yeah, the most virulent, misandrist, man-hating feminists are usually hideous wildebeests. Seems all that rejection from men sends them right off the deep end.



I'm not commenting on this, either way, but it did remind me of something George Carlin said to open up one of his HBO Specials, years ago:

"Didja ever notice that all the women who are so loud about being pro abortion are women you wouldn't fuck, anyway?"



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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 5:03:41 PM   
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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 5:13:57 PM   
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"Didja ever notice that all the women who are so loud about being pro abortion are women you wouldn't fuck, anyway?"



Is a woman who's pro-abortion considered to be a stereotypically fat, ugly, boiler-suited, radical feminist out there, DS? Is it *really* like that in the USA?

Strewth. That's just mental. I honestly don't know what to say to it. It's hard to credit how different a nation's people can be, given that they're nominally of the first world and speak the same language.




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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 5:51:15 PM   
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"Didja ever notice that all the women who are so loud about being pro abortion are women you wouldn't fuck, anyway?"

Not in my country, since most women are pro-abortion, and plenty of beauties.


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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 5:54:18 PM   
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"Didja ever notice that all the women who are so loud about being pro abortion are women you wouldn't fuck, anyway?"

Not in my country, since all women are pro-abortion and they are mostly size 0.



Do you know, I'm beginning to think what's considered ordinary and middle of the road varies from one country to another?

People who aren't American, aren't like Americans. Go figure!

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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 5:58:49 PM   
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Well most feminists are either fat or ugly or both. Women who possess genuine sexual power don't need to subscribe to an ideology for losers. Oh, as women get older they tend to lean in feminism's direction as their sexual power wanes, although there's significant variation there, too.

But yeah, the most virulent, misandrist, man-hating feminists are usually hideous wildebeests. Seems all that rejection from men sends them right off the deep end.

This is the most opposite to what is reality around here.
Especially to my own history. I never allowed a man to pay for me ever when I was younger, because I believed in equal rights. Throughout my marriage, I heavy weighted my financial contribution to the extent that I took care of the mortgage 100%. I can honestly say I never allowed my x-husband to spend a single cent on me. Not even on gifts. I told him I don't need any. But I have a personal observation around here, that men who has to pay tend to treasure the person they spent money on more. Maybe that is not true in other countries, but my country is still very traditional in some ways, and men like to provide.

But to be fair, feminism is the minority in my country. Women like men to be providers, period. But those that are, are usually young women, late teens, early twenties. Not old hags. It's like a teenage activist phrase.



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RE: Feminists want equality, except when paying for dates - 8/1/2016 6:02:21 PM   
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Especially to my own history. I never allowed a man to pay for me ever when I was younger, because I believed in equal rights.
[My bolds]

So you're a feminist, then. Careful, now ....

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