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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What if she calls you ? Really. Shoe is on the other foot. I would say I don't have the money to go out, now what ?

See, y'alls problem is you dial the phone too much. QUIT IT. Let their fingers do the walking.

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So you think women who aren't feminists haven't "worked out" that they want to enjoy sex. That throughout the history of the world, all those billions of women have suffered through bad sex because feminism wasn't here to enlighten them?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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So you think women who aren't feminists haven't "worked out" that they want to enjoy sex. That throughout the history of the world, all those billions of women have suffered through bad sex because feminism wasn't here to enlighten them?

In keeping with your sweeping generalization this seemed to be the case during the 19th and 20th Centuries (before Kinsey and before Masters & Johnson, and before Sheryl Hite) when the study of women was in the hands of Siggy Freud and and his dour band of acolytes:

This is the one part of female orgasm's history that we tend to all be familiar with: the fact that female sexual tension was diagnosed as "hysteria," or "wandering womb," a kind of female-specific nervous condition that drove a woman completely insane and required pelvic massage and douching to relieve it.

Although this eventually led to the invention of the vibrator by doctors who couldn't be bothered wasting their time manipulating the intimate parts of their patients to stop them going insane, it wasn't good news overall.

Having an orgasm be seen as a medical necessity to prevent your womb driving you up the wall — orgasm as pathology, in other words — is neither fun nor particularly helpful to the idea that husbands and partners might want to provide the pleasure themselves.

vML

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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Well most feminists are either fat or ugly or both.

Not at all my experience.

Peon, you've assembled such a stunning quantity of delusional crap that I probably can't be bothered cleaning it all up, but I'll address the most egregious nonsense.

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Feminists call themselves that because they're into the ideas of freedom and equality.

No. They don't.

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So they tend to be into such things as the equal freedom to enjoy themselves in bed. Feminists tend to be 'goers', basically. They're absolutely going to have damned good orgasm (or more) if they can get it. Why would I want a woman who's any different?

First of all, if you were actually paying attention instead of regurgitating the dogma that's been brainwashed into you, you'd know that not only is sex-positive feminism decidedly out of vogue, but there's an ongoing backlash against feminism's insistence on telling women how they should feel about sex, marriage and men - just to name a few.

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What's interesting is to watch you exemplify this. You are feminism's fascism in action. A man telling feminists that they must enjoy sex his way otherwise they're not good feminists. I'm pretty sure some of the lesbian feminists would happily eviscerate you for such arrogance, but I digress...

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Feminists are generally so uptight about the gender war that they're unable to relax. Of course, subspace is subspace so once they trance, they stop thinking anyway, but for that to happen, they have to be lucky enough to run into a dominant man.

Conversely women who are comfortable with gender difference don't have a chorus of voices in their head muttering about patriarchy, male dominance and the gender wage gap."

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I hear that a woman's an ardent feminist and I think: 'Great - she'll be a bouncer in bed!'. That's basically it, for me. Just empirical evidence, I'm saying. I don't do high theory when it comes to picking my bonking partners.

In your case, isn't that more a case of "great, she'll peg me until I bleed"?

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On the other hand non-feminists or anti-feminists, in my experience, have tended to be pillow-biters. That is: they've crushed down their primitive desires in the sack department, in order to be what they consider to be 'ladylike', and merely 'put up with' what their man wants to do *to* them (sex being 'what a man actively does to a passively-receiving woman', basically).

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Feminists have almost never been fat or ugly, in my experience. Why would they be?

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They've worked it out that they want good sex and have the right to it;

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further, this will only happen if they can clinch a man that turns them on,

No, they can masturbate or they can have sex with women. Really Peon, your ignorance is appalling - how dare you suggest that women need men in order to enjoy themselves!

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and that in turn will only happen if they look good enough for the sort of men that they'll enjoy in bed.

Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that feminists go to the gym and eat right for MEN. That all of their effort in this regard goes into pleasing men.

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Do I really need to point out the hysterical irony of this comment? I'm pretty sure the sisterhood will lynch you for daring to suggest such a thing. *whispers* I don't know if you've noticed Peon, but "beautiful at any size" is now one of the predominant themes of inter-sectional feminism and what you've just done is called "fat shaming" by suggesting that only thin women are entitled to attractive partners.

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The gym-going women I've met and got to know have been keen feminists - for the past fifteen years, without exception.

Well that's a really weird sample set considering only 7% of Britons identify as feminists.

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You and I clearly *do not* live in the same world when it comes to women and sex. Not even as regards femsubs (quite a few of whom I've gone to bed with)

Peon, let me explain something to you. How hot sex between two people happens to be is a function of multiple factors, the most significant of which is sexual polarity.

Barring the gay community (which has similar but significantly different dynamics), sexual polarity explains why tall men and up with short women, why hyper-masculine men end up with hyper-feminine women and why androgynous couples rarely have sex and usually end up as friends. The sexual polarity between you and a female submissive is going to be decidedly lacking and consequently, the sex ain't gonna be all that good.

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Honestly Peon, every time you trot out one of these dogmatic little exercises in delusion, you really do more to demonstrate your own lack of capability than I ever could by debating you. You seriously do suffer from Trump levels of self-delusion."

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Awareness, the confident tone you adopt on all this is *wildly* at variance with your knowledge of it. We both know it. Please at least stop trying to convince me otherwise.

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Feminists call themselves that because they're into the ideas of freedom and equality.

No. They don't.

Yes. They do. Your view of feminism is just a mound of propaganda, A. It isn't any different to RM's in quality.

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Well, I like to think I have, in fact, been paying attention, not least because I've actually learned about the subject, on account of I've studied it and taught it.

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Even recently, in fact. What you're retailing here is, again, simply propaganda. Old and tired propaganda, at that. However, the view I take on this comes from feminists themselves - and women I actually know. These do not seem to believe that sex-positive feminism is out of vogue.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
What's interesting is to watch you exemplify this. You are feminism's fascism in action. A man telling feminists that they must enjoy sex his way otherwise they're not good feminists. I'm pretty sure some of the lesbian feminists would happily eviscerate you for such arrogance, but I digress...

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Irrelevant straw man. I've not told feminists what they should feel.

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On the other hand, you - and RM, of course - have been *tirelessly* telling feminists just how much they must hate men; be losers, want to grab what's rightfully men's - etc, etc, etc ....on every possible occasion.

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Feminists are generally so uptight about the gender war that they're unable to relax. Of course, subspace is subspace so once they trance, they stop thinking anyway, but for that to happen, they have to be lucky enough to run into a dominant man.

Conversely women who are comfortable with gender difference don't have a chorus of voices in their head muttering about patriarchy, male dominance and the gender wage gap."

Drivel. And again, in straw man territory. Feminists believe in equality and freedom. If they take those two principles to heart, they'll be helped in having a good time in bed, not hindered.

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Try not to bring your own fantasies into the discussion, mmh?. You've already done more posts that focus on my anus and what could be happening with it than I feel comfortable with. OK? Enough said. :)

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God, you should start a website for grannies in order to give them advice on how to suck eggs!

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In the slang that I was brought up with, a pillow biter was indeed a woman who hated having sex and bit on the pillow instead. Hell, A. Not even you could be so egotistical as to instruct me in my own slang ... surely?

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A feminist is someone who believes in equality of the genders, A, as I'm afraid you're simply having to get used to me reminding you. This 'conspiracy' stuff is a straw man.

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You would need some sense of your rights to freedom and equality in order to enjoy sex, yes.

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Those senses do, of course, predate the conscious movement to gain those things that we - or, I should say, those of us who can see what's actually there - call 'feminism'.

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Oh and please, Awareness. Do try to cut out this pretence of scorn that you do. It's always been utterly unconvincing, to me. Like I said - I've seen it in undergrads before - the ones that fail in the first year, generally.

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further, this will only happen if they can clinch a man that turns them on,

No, they can masturbate or they can have sex with women. Really Peon, your ignorance is appalling - how dare you suggest that women need men in order to enjoy themselves!

Straw man.

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and that in turn will only happen if they look good enough for the sort of men that they'll enjoy in bed.

Oh, I see. So what you're saying is that feminists go to the gym and eat right for MEN. That all of their effort in this regard goes into pleasing men.

Straw man.

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Do I really need to point out the hysterical irony of this comment? I'm pretty sure the sisterhood will lynch you for daring to suggest such a thing. *whispers* I don't know if you've noticed Peon, but "beautiful at any size" is now one of the predominant themes of inter-sectional feminism and what you've just done is called "fat shaming" by suggesting that only thin women are entitled to attractive partners.

Straw man, this time seasoned liberally with your favourite drivel

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A feminist is somebody who believes in equality of the genders, A. Remember my saying that, at all, in the past?

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I'm sorry that you don't like that definition, but there it is. It is *the* definition, whatever you or anyone else wants it to be.

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But it *was* good, A. Or are you now suggesting that you know more about my sex life than I do? What on earth is the matter with you? As for 'hyper-masculine men' and 'hyper-feminine women' ... oh lordy, where would I start?

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Do you honestly put yourself in the hyper-masculine category? Please, please ... have you no sense of embarrassment? Not to mention, you know ... are you *sure* that your image of yourself is healthy? (You do recall that I've seen your profile, don't you?)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
Honestly Peon, every time you trot out one of these dogmatic little exercises in delusion, you really do more to demonstrate your own lack of capability than I ever could by debating you. You seriously do suffer from Trump levels of self-delusion.

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Recorded human history is thousands of years old and you think roughly 20 or so years of it - in one small corner of the world - is somehow representative?

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Well that's a really weird sample set considering only 7% of Britons identify as feminists.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
But anyway I am soooooo glad I'm not dating. I would be a lonely soul waiting by the curb waiting for the door to be opened for me.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
But anyway I am soooooo glad I'm not dating. I would be a lonely soul waiting by the curb waiting for the door to be opened for me.

Doors don't work for me when men are around. LOL! I will wait, TYVM. That's part of the perks of being in charge, in my experience.

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I am always correct to nth degree...but you, creature of utter fuking wretch, may send forth 1000 miones to be…stating thy a creature of utter deranged pants is real and they have beheld a nuance of your reality or manly deep throat…I will wager 0% and yet know women on here will gurgle on me

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
When I think of feminist I think of a bull dyke. A ball buster. Someone who constantly bitches and is negative about the injustices of the world in general. But I also have had a lot of freedom, I could always vote, I had a voice that mattered off and on in life, so that might be the reason I feel like women have it pretty good. I feel grateful. I feel positive about the history of change in this country, at least as equality goes toward women.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67
When I think of feminist I think of a bull dyke. A ball buster. Someone who constantly bitches and is negative about the injustices of the world in general. But I also have had a lot of freedom, I could always vote, I had a voice that mattered off and on in life, so that might be the reason I feel like women have it pretty good. I feel grateful. I feel positive about the history of change in this country, at least as equality goes toward women.

Except it was the early feminists that fought for our freedom, and our right to vote, our right to own property. Without them, none of these equality would have happened. I think in the early days, there was alot of basic rights for feminist to fight for. Now women are afforded their basic rights, in many ways, their fight should be to insist on basic rights accorded to women in countries today where they haven't even got their basic rights yet! But there are less fundamental serious issues for most modern countries now. So alot of their focus can seem as as grandoise as the old days.