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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 8:37:09 AM   
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And on another point; computer chips are not musical instruments.

But that's at least 80% of what's on the airwaves that I hear next to me at the traffic lights. What horrendous sonic torture to anyone not being born half deaf.

Computer chip 'percussion' and auto-tune 'singing' is what's being foisted upon us now, without relent.

My ears can't handle that sort of sonic fingernail/chalkboard onslaught from the outset, so pardon me for not being able to get to such apparently lesser considerations in the matter as musical merit.



It is not the computer that is the problem because professional musicians today use computers to compose and record and mix. I am not a professional musician, and I use my computer to write. What I write is not influenced by my computer in the least, and yes, I use computer drums because I cannot play drums. Do not blame the tool for what is being produced, blame the hack that is producing it.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 8:38:42 AM   
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Because, of course, Kraftwerk, The White Noise, Weather Report, Gary Numan, Magazine, Laurie Anderson, Front 242, Isao Tomita, Wendy Carlos, Edgar Winter, The Who, Nine Inch Nails, Pink Floyd, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Alice Cooper, Cher, Donna Summer, John Carpenter, The Cure, George Clinton, Hawkwind, and anybody else who's ever used an synthesiser or an electronically treated vocal on a record or on stage have only ever recoded worthless shit?
(Seriously, don't talk such bollocks.)


Nice list. You left out ELP.


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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 10:21:19 AM   
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And on another point; computer chips are not musical instruments.

But that's at least 80% of what's on the airwaves that I hear next to me at the traffic lights. What horrendous sonic torture to anyone not being born half deaf.

Computer chip 'percussion' and auto-tune 'singing' is what's being foisted upon us now, without relent.

My ears can't handle that sort of sonic fingernail/chalkboard onslaught from the outset, so pardon me for not being able to get to such apparently lesser considerations in the matter as musical merit.

Because, of course, Kraftwerk, The White Noise, Weather Report, Gary Numan, Magazine, Laurie Anderson, Front 242, Isao Tomita, Wendy Carlos, Edgar Winter, The Who, Nine Inch Nails, Pink Floyd, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Alice Cooper, Cher, Donna Summer, John Carpenter, The Cure, George Clinton, Hawkwind, and anybody else who's ever used an synthesiser or an electronically treated vocal on a record or on stage have only ever recoded worthless shit?
(Seriously, don't talk such bollocks.)

you missed Jean Michel Jarre. Dayam half my playlist is in there.



Good God Ed, you are so incredibly purist, how terrible for you..
but then, like all art, food, and music, its only a matter of taste and opinion.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 11:12:52 AM   
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Oh, all right then: Jean Michelle Jarre, ELP, Brian Eno and/or Roxy Music, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, Throbbing Gristle/Psychic TV, Chris and Cosey, Soft Cell, The Brains, Space Museum, all of acid house and everything that came after that, an awful lot of disco, Jon Pertwee, Delia Derbyshire and the BBC radiophonics workshop, Timbaland (and his impersonator Pharrell Williams), Afrika Bambaata, PiL, Afrika Bambataa and PiL, Frank Zappa, Tricky, Robert Rental &/or Thomas Leer, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Ray Manzarek outside the Doors, Young Gods, VAST and shitloads of other industrial bands, Goldfrapp, Ladytron, Fischerspooner, Motorhead, Bloodstar, Cyndi Lauper, New Order, William Burroughs, the Buggles and quite a few novelty bands.
Everybody but the folk purists (and Eliza Carthy did an album with drum and bass tracks on it, it's worth remembering) and the blues fundamentalists, pretty much.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 11:15:48 AM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 11:22:56 AM   
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I could go on, but best not, eh?


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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 11:27:14 AM   
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well I was gonna add a few, but didnt wanna go on...and on and on etc:)

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 11:36:09 AM   
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Flock of Seagulls anyone? Just because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opkzgLMH5MA

and on ...

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 1:47:38 PM   
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And on another point; computer chips are not musical instruments.

But that's at least 80% of what's on the airwaves that I hear next to me at the traffic lights. What horrendous sonic torture to anyone not being born half deaf.

Computer chip 'percussion' and auto-tune 'singing' is what's being foisted upon us now, without relent.

My ears can't handle that sort of sonic fingernail/chalkboard onslaught from the outset, so pardon me for not being able to get to such apparently lesser considerations in the matter as musical merit.

Because, of course, Kraftwerk, The White Noise, Weather Report, Gary Numan, Magazine, Laurie Anderson, Front 242, Isao Tomita, Wendy Carlos, Edgar Winter, The Who, Nine Inch Nails, Pink Floyd, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Alice Cooper, Cher, Donna Summer, John Carpenter, The Cure, George Clinton, Hawkwind, and anybody else who's ever used an synthesiser or an electronically treated vocal on a record or on stage have only ever recoded worthless shit?
(Seriously, don't talk such bollocks.)


If you cannot hear the difference between "Here Comes The Sun" and whatever crap is blasted upon us nowadays while sitting at the red light in traffic, then congratulations to you for both lack of musical sensitivity and half deaf ears.

And perhaps you missed out on the 'computer percussion' part. How many of the bands you mention used computer chip 'percussion'?

And no, auto tune was not in existence at the time for any of the bands you mention, and no, none of those artistic efforts came anywhere close to the sonic abomination of auto tune.

In any case, Kraftwerk still made some musical sense of it, having the self-granted granted license of it just being 'dance music' whereby musical over simplification is a welcome thing. Not any great stretch to extend the over simplification further.


But what I say is not 'bollocks,' just opinion. And my overly sensitive ears.

The point that you missed, by a mile, is that what was once in service to the music is now the cultural tail wagging the dog.

Seriously, if you can't tell the difference between how electronics were merely invoked for occasional artistic purpose 30 years ago vs how computer chips have become the basis for anything over the airwaves now ...

Just stop and quit being an idiot.

The computer chip and its horrendous noise is the new 'culture.' And that's the point.

What used to be inserted for artistic purpose in 5% of the production (except for Kraftwerk) is now 95% of the production, good luck to anything else.




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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 2:15:22 PM   
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Cheers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrEPzsx1gQ

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 2:26:24 PM   
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Cheers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrEPzsx1gQ

Oh, so loverly on the ears!

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All I get for that is

This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 2:28:06 PM   
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It's a bollocks opinion, so small wonder you're trying to backtrack on it now.

About ten of the acts in that list use electronic percussion. The only song by Laurie Anderson anybody can name (or for that matter even remember hearing) is a novelty song constructed around a gimmicky electronically treated vocal, which is a production gimmick Kraftwerk, Numan, Front 242, the Floyd, and George Clinton have all resorted to on occasion (so, come to that, have Neil Young and The Buzzcocks).

But go on then: explain how autotuning and drum machines are at fault for the drivel people like Clean Bandit or Susan Boyle shit all over the airwaves. Shit music is made by talentless shits, regardless of the equipment used. For some reason you prefer to blame the means of production than to accept that twats will make twatty music however they record it. Myself, I find hearing yet another cunt off a television "talent" show bleating whinily over an acoustic guitar a lot more offensive than any amount of autotuned electronic pop fluff. All of the most irritating hipster earwax and dull MOR slop uses proper instruments, and the guilty parties have the cheek to brag about this as though it was a good thing, rather than acting embarrassed that they've ignored every cultural and technological development in pop music since Johnny Ray recorded Cry. FFS: even that sorry little cockwomble Beiber won't shut up how he started out as a busker and can play his own guitar. Maybe if they autotuned that dickhead it'd hide the fact that he's lost his voice since his balls dropped.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 2:41:18 PM   
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Just to annoy you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPRoTHPq8yo

So there we have one of the first occasions of 'computer chip lead guitar,' after Runaway and Telstar.

But there was a real wood block and triangle in the percussion.

Oh my.

I first heard this sometime ~ mid '90s, though released in 1964. The chorus as introduction to the song cracked me up right away. I HAD to buy that record.

And I was more than ten years beyond buying records at the time.

Ignore the triangle and such.

That clavioline solo and what's rattling our fenders nowadays are one and the same, are they not?

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 3:14:51 PM   
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It's a bollocks opinion, so small wonder you're trying to backtrack on it now.

About ten of the acts in that list use electronic percussion. The only song by Laurie Anderson anybody can name (or for that matter even remember hearing) is a novelty song constructed around a gimmicky electronically treated vocal, which is a production gimmick Kraftwerk, Numan, Front 242, the Floyd, and George Clinton have all resorted to on occasion (so, come to that, have Neil Young and The Buzzcocks).

But go on then: explain how autotuning and drum machines are at fault for the drivel people like Clean Bandit or Susan Boyle shit all over the airwaves. Shit music is made by talentless shits, regardless of the equipment used. For some reason you prefer to blame the means of production than to accept that twats will make twatty music however they record it. Myself, I find hearing yet another cunt off a television "talent" show bleating whinily over an acoustic guitar a lot more offensive than any amount of autotuned electronic pop fluff. All of the most irritating hipster earwax and dull MOR slop uses proper instruments, and the guilty parties have the cheek to brag about this as though it was a good thing, rather than acting embarrassed that they've ignored every cultural and technological development in pop music since Johnny Ray recorded Cry. FFS: even that sorry little cockwomble Beiber won't shut up how he started out as a busker and can play his own guitar. Maybe if they autotuned that dickhead it'd hide the fact that he's lost his voice since his balls dropped.


Sorry you missed out on the fact that if the ears are sonically overwhelmed to begin with, it's difficult, to say the least, to get to any musical or cultural matter thereafter.

Yes, R&R was 'too loud,' but we had a volume control. And we didn't have it foisted upon us at every store and in every mall and at every traffic light at full blast.

When I was a kid, I shoved quarters into the juke box. Now I just want to shove a fiver to someone who will just shut it off.

But in any case, considering that you are here to proclaim the wonders, who are the 'computer artistes' that I or others should be listening tp nowadays?

I'm all about modern culture here, however much being so far behind you in that regard.



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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 3:45:32 PM   
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Excuses and bollocks again? What a surprise.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 3:54:44 PM   
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It's a bollocks opinion, so small wonder you're trying to backtrack on it now.

About ten of the acts in that list use electronic percussion. The only song by Laurie Anderson anybody can name (or for that matter even remember hearing) is a novelty song constructed around a gimmicky electronically treated vocal, which is a production gimmick Kraftwerk, Numan, Front 242, the Floyd, and George Clinton have all resorted to on occasion (so, come to that, have Neil Young and The Buzzcocks).

But go on then: explain how autotuning and drum machines are at fault for the drivel people like Clean Bandit or Susan Boyle shit all over the airwaves. Shit music is made by talentless shits, regardless of the equipment used. For some reason you prefer to blame the means of production than to accept that twats will make twatty music however they record it. Myself, I find hearing yet another cunt off a television "talent" show bleating whinily over an acoustic guitar a lot more offensive than any amount of autotuned electronic pop fluff. All of the most irritating hipster earwax and dull MOR slop uses proper instruments, and the guilty parties have the cheek to brag about this as though it was a good thing, rather than acting embarrassed that they've ignored every cultural and technological development in pop music since Johnny Ray recorded Cry. FFS: even that sorry little cockwomble Beiber won't shut up how he started out as a busker and can play his own guitar. Maybe if they autotuned that dickhead it'd hide the fact that he's lost his voice since his balls dropped.


That's great. BTW, I didn't 'backtrack.' on a thing, I stated directly the issues, with whatever fluency apparently beyond your ken.

Whenever you can tell us why any of this matters in means of cultural significance, or any display of musical awareness at all, we're all ears.

Just hand out the earmuffs first, thank you.


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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 4:00:36 PM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 4:04:23 PM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 4:36:18 PM   
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You've entertained us culturally and for our erudition in advanced peurtility,

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/15/2016 9:25:59 PM   
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The only song by Laurie Anderson anybody can name (or for that matter even remember hearing) is a novelty song constructed around a gimmicky electronically treated vocal


Walking and Falling. Strange Angels. Mr. Heartbreak. Sharkey's Day/Night. Let X = X. Mach 20. Excellent Birds. The Day The Devil. Language is a Virus.

Shall I go on, or would you kindly retract your statement that no one can name more than one of her songs?




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