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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 1:07:50 AM   
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I have to admit, I've lost my passion for playing, whereas you still have yours.

If that negates more than 25 years of experience in every aspect of music playing and live sound and recording and production in your estimation, then so be it.



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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 1:09:49 AM   
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OK, so I missed out on or forgot whatever musical point you promulgated earlier.

My apologies.


The pages are here for your perusal perhaps for eternity, or next month, depending on if the bills get paid or not. My points that you try to minimize are here for your review at your leisure, unless a Mod takes a dim view on this subject.

I am so fucking disappointed. Your superiority is distasteful.




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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 1:14:53 AM   
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So bring up your musical point again.

Sorry for my daft.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 1:15:39 AM   
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I have to admit, I've lost my passion for playing, whereas you still have yours.

If that negates more than 25 years of experience in every aspect of music playing and recording and production in your estimation, then so be it.


Bah... don't make me the bad guy here.

You are most likely a better musician than I am. I more than likely have a more open mind and am less jaded than you.

Just debate the topic with me... and stop being so superior. Music is something we BOTH have in common, and I doubt all to hell that we have collectively lost passion for that.

I have never tried to invalidate you or your experience. Why do you try to make it look like I did?

I am off for the night. Perhaps you might review and think in the interim.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 1:55:07 AM   
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Good fun, then!

I have a vinyl re-make of Gershwin's original acoustical recording of "Rhapsody in Blue," and then the flip side that was recorded 3 years later through a microphone and ugly electronics.

But boy, did the electronics improve after that.

While on the subject of 'taste' and musical culture in general, I was always in awe of those who figured out the best cultural statement from the radio or the records. I was too busy figuring out the music itself.

There was no greater 'superiority' than from those who could pronounce what was 'cool' or not. And, as we have seen here, those people are still alive and screaming quite loudly at every opportunity.

And got the lizard memes to prove it.






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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 4:38:48 AM   
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The only song by Laurie Anderson anybody can name (or for that matter even remember hearing) is a novelty song constructed around a gimmicky electronically treated vocal


Walking and Falling. Strange Angels. Mr. Heartbreak. Sharkey's Day/Night. Let X = X. Mach 20. Excellent Birds. The Day The Devil. Language is a Virus.

Shall I go on, or would you kindly retract your statement that no one can name more than one of her songs?




Point taken. I still suspect an awful lot more people have heard O Superman than have sat through Strange Angels or Mister Heartbreak, though.


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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 6:11:38 AM   
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Cheers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrEPzsx1gQ

Oh, so loverly on the ears!

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All I get for that is

This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds


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My country or your country?

Streams and plays fine on my crap computer sound system.




I should have thought that the country of origin was self explanatory when I was quoting what I got when I clicked the link.

Don't worry though, Gauge came to the rescue by telling me what to search for, which is what you could have done yourself knowing I couldn't open the link ... and it turns out that it's actually one of my Grandma's favorite tracks. I knew it straight away, and was instantly transported back to their old house when I was a kid. 10 years before my time, and I should think it was considered really cutting edge for my Grandma. It's a shame that your taste is so very narrow, but I love this track just for the memories it brings alone.

Having read through the rest of the debate between Gauge, and yourself, I have to say that I'm on the side of Gauge. I think you seem to be deliberately missing his points, which I find very valid, and well put over.

Thanks for the memories.

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 6:14:12 AM   
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Flock of Seagulls anyone? Just because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opkzgLMH5MA

and on ...

Needles



Could I just say that I hate you? (Not actually...)

I just spent the last fucking 2 hours listening to 80's music because of that link.


I'd love to be able to tell you that I'm sorry, but I'm not

Thanks for the info, you kinda made my day

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/16/2016 6:30:49 AM   
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Wicked likes his cake, but he also likes his music. In general it is unlikely I like more than 1-4 songs per artist with a few notable exceptions.

Time time time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxrwImCJCqk
But I prefer the Bangles version.

Your list is curious – and all the greats thee left out – not that I really liked em

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/17/2016 11:49:19 PM   
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It's a bollocks opinion, so small wonder you're trying to backtrack on it now.

About ten of the acts in that list use electronic percussion. The only song by Laurie Anderson anybody can name (or for that matter even remember hearing) is a novelty song constructed around a gimmicky electronically treated vocal, which is a production gimmick Kraftwerk, Numan, Front 242, the Floyd, and George Clinton have all resorted to on occasion (so, come to that, have Neil Young and The Buzzcocks).

But go on then: explain how autotuning and drum machines are at fault for the drivel people like Clean Bandit or Susan Boyle shit all over the airwaves. Shit music is made by talentless shits, regardless of the equipment used. For some reason you prefer to blame the means of production than to accept that twats will make twatty music however they record it. Myself, I find hearing yet another cunt off a television "talent" show bleating whinily over an acoustic guitar a lot more offensive than any amount of autotuned electronic pop fluff. All of the most irritating hipster earwax and dull MOR slop uses proper instruments, and the guilty parties have the cheek to brag about this as though it was a good thing, rather than acting embarrassed that they've ignored every cultural and technological development in pop music since Johnny Ray recorded Cry. FFS: even that sorry little cockwomble Beiber won't shut up how he started out as a busker and can play his own guitar. Maybe if they autotuned that dickhead it'd hide the fact that he's lost his voice since his balls dropped.


I didn't 'backtrack' on a damn thing, I explained further since you are having such difficulty with the point being made. And what's with all the immediate hostility in any case?

You are arguing against your own case, here. My point is not immensely dissimilar than what you say above. Did Cher use that turned-to-11 autotune trick for the whole album that one song was on? Or any song after?

What if Clapton or Hendrix had used the wah-wah pedal on every guitar track, on every freaking song?

I was talking about the apparent -ubiquity- of purely electronic gimmickry in an ever increasing imposition on what comes to our (or at least my) attention in public; from cars, from mall music, store music, restaurants and bars/taverns/pubs that have speakers on to patio/deck etc.

Just as you say (thanks for proving my point, BTW) in many (way too many) instances this is a matter of whatever toys in the wrong hands. That is what I was speaking of to begin with. If at least 70% of what I'm hearing in public involves 70% or 100% of this dumbed down gimmickry being grossly abused and ill-used by nonmusical nitwits whose only purpose is to cut production costs to absolute minimum, are you proposing that we are in as good hands as with Kraftwerk or ELP?

Seriously?





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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/17/2016 11:59:20 PM   
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I didn't 'backtrack' on a damn thing, I explained further since you are having such difficulty with the point being made. And what's with all the immediate hostility in any case?

You are arguing against your own case, here. My point is not immensely dissimilar than what you say above. Did Cher use that turned-to-11 autotune trick for the whole album that one song was on? Or any song after?

What if Clapton or Hendrix had used the wah-wah pedal on every guitar track, on every freaking song?

I was talking about the apparent -ubiquity- of purely electronic gimmickry in an ever increasing imposition on what comes to our (or at least my) attention in public; from cars, from mall music, store music, restaurants and bars/taverns/pubs that have speakers on to patio/deck etc.

Just as you say (thanks for proving my point, BTW) in many (way too many) instances this is a matter of whatever toys in the wrong hands. That is what I was speaking of to begin with. If at least 70% of what I'm hearing in public involves 70% or 100% of this dumbed down gimmickry being grossly abused and ill-used by nonmusical nitwits whose only purpose is to cut production costs to absolute minimum, are you proposing that we are in as good hands as with Kraftwerk or ELP?

Seriously?


You never answered me and my questions. Ask me what they were and I will hit you with a stick because they did not magically disappear overnight. Go review them and answer accordingly.

The hostility you may feel is born out of your basic reluctance to address anything valid as a question to be asked of you, which you, in turn, avoid.

This might be the problem others are faced with. So, and I hate to make it this base... put up or shut up. Neither of which you have done.


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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 12:27:49 AM   
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I have to admit, I've lost my passion for playing, whereas you still have yours.

If that negates more than 25 years of experience in every aspect of music playing and recording and production in your estimation, then so be it.


Bah... don't make me the bad guy here.

You are most likely a better musician than I am. I more than likely have a more open mind and am less jaded than you.

Just debate the topic with me... and stop being so superior. Music is something we BOTH have in common, and I doubt all to hell that we have collectively lost passion for that.

I have never tried to invalidate you or your experience. Why do you try to make it look like I did?

I am off for the night. Perhaps you might review and think in the interim.


My apologies. It was way past my bedtime, so couldn't properly follow through at the time. Sleep, work, helping a neighbor move, etc.

I heard the tracks, and not bad, I see your point, which I have always been (mostly) able to do regardless of different taste or not.

I apparently did not explain myself well enough, but the issue wasn't that that electronic drums were used at all, but that what I'm hearing in public on an increasing basis comes nowhere close to your good examples,

I bought a somewhat cheap 'drum machine' for my brother ~ 15 years ago to help with his songwriting and recording. We both knew that had it gone any further, a pro drummer would have been hired for any demo. The sonic abominations I'm hearing in public on a regular basis nowadays sound ten times worse than that cheapo 'drum machine' while advance in electronics in every aspect have increased tenfold during the same period.

And it's not just the dirt 'sound' itself, it's that the guys programming this shite are obviously not drummers, nor have a clue in any other regard.

Have you not heard any example of this crap at all? Have you never heard one of those dropping of a full measure of 16th notes at the most odd times? Or even 32nd notes, if the tempo is slow enough? All they have to do is point and click to make it happen, no musical or rhythmic sensibility at all needed.

Again, if any of this be done as truly a gimmick, it might or might not go over. But again, consider Clapton or Hendrix using the wah-wah on -every- (or maybe just on 80%) of -every- guitar track, on 80-100% of all their music.

Some gimmicks are more pronounced or more intrusive than others. Both your examples (on the 'musical purpose' side) and many others (on the ant-musical side) prove that point, along with the fact that those with better musical sensibilities -and sonic sensibilities- (which the vast majority of 'real musicians,' of whatever variety, posses) have the artistic facility to discern which is what.





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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 12:41:49 AM   
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I didn't 'backtrack' on a damn thing, I explained further since you are having such difficulty with the point being made. And what's with all the immediate hostility in any case?

You are arguing against your own case, here. My point is not immensely dissimilar than what you say above. Did Cher use that turned-to-11 autotune trick for the whole album that one song was on? Or any song after?

What if Clapton or Hendrix had used the wah-wah pedal on every guitar track, on every freaking song?

I was talking about the apparent -ubiquity- of purely electronic gimmickry in an ever increasing imposition on what comes to our (or at least my) attention in public; from cars, from mall music, store music, restaurants and bars/taverns/pubs that have speakers on to patio/deck etc.

Just as you say (thanks for proving my point, BTW) in many (way too many) instances this is a matter of whatever toys in the wrong hands. That is what I was speaking of to begin with. If at least 70% of what I'm hearing in public involves 70% or 100% of this dumbed down gimmickry being grossly abused and ill-used by nonmusical nitwits whose only purpose is to cut production costs to absolute minimum, are you proposing that we are in as good hands as with Kraftwerk or ELP?

Seriously?


You never answered me and my questions. Ask me what they were and I will hit you with a stick because they did not magically disappear overnight. Go review them and answer accordingly.

The hostility you may feel is born out of your basic reluctance to address anything valid as a question to be asked of you, which you, in turn, avoid.

This might be the problem others are faced with. So, and I hate to make it this base... put up or shut up. Neither of which you have done.



Wow.

Since you are so impatient, where is your response to my following post?

Snap it up!

Calm down there, fella.

I think it's better that you take your time with it, actually. I can come back to it whenever.




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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 1:54:05 AM   
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I will say one thing:

If what I've said here is so upsetting as to cause such hostile response, to the extent that I've lately been threatened with a stick, I highly recommend that none of you visit any pro audio site. My comments are tame compared to those folks' commentary on the subject.

And these are guys and gals who are by nature open to new things, the latest sonic toys, etc. But it's one matter to turn on the toy and then another knowing what to do with it. My and their commentary is about the increasingly insidious imposition of resulting sonic and amusical perfidy of the latter.

If it were held to the niche market where it belongs, that's one thing. But for the ears to be assaulted with with such sonic crap, forget the music, on a daily basis if going out in public is another thing. The average musician or sound tech don't have ears quite as overly sensitive as mine, but comments in the last ten years, in person as much as on forums, tells me that it bothers them more than a little bit too, so it's not just me.



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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 2:28:03 AM   
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Cheers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryrEPzsx1gQ

Oh, so loverly on the ears!

-Pukes and pukes ... -


All I get for that is

This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds


Needles


My country or your country?

Streams and plays fine on my crap computer sound system.



I should have thought that the country of origin was self explanatory when I was quoting what I got when I clicked the link.

Don't worry though, Gauge came to the rescue by telling me what to search for, which is what you could have done yourself knowing I couldn't open the link ... and it turns out that it's actually one of my Grandma's favorite tracks. I knew it straight away, and was instantly transported back to their old house when I was a kid. 10 years before my time, and I should think it was considered really cutting edge for my Grandma. It's a shame that your taste is so very narrow, but I love this track just for the memories it brings alone.

Having read through the rest of the debate between Gauge, and yourself, I have to say that I'm on the side of Gauge. I think you seem to be deliberately missing his points, which I find very valid, and well put over.

Thanks for the memories.

Needles


But he didn't know the song and I did. Sorry for not being able to present it or send it to your country. I thought Google (who owns YouTube now) was better than that. BTW, pardon my ignorance; who or what is SME?

Telstar wasn't that terrible, just saying that had that been such a fad as the computer toy drums nowadays, I don't know if we would have survived the sixties. The Beatles waited seven years later, until their last album, for something better suited to musical purpose to come out before using such a contraption themselves (and George Harrison paid his own money for it and did more than 90% of the work in figuring how to operate the thing). But Joe Meek is considered both a classic and a wacko, in the good sense, in the pro audio world.

The electronic instrument in that case (Telstar) was called a Clavioline, BTW, or possibly some near variant of it made by Univox. Del Shannon used it his big hit, Runnaway.

But I'll state my favorite song using that particular device, just for purpose of sending the whole topic and the readers off the bend, yet further;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPRoTHPq8yo It was the triangle, certainly not that ugly thing in the middle, that sucked me in, not to mention the hilarious lyrics.

It took us (or -them-) two years to figure out that the Clavioline wasn't anything more than a temporary novelty.

Now, we have crap that sounds ten times worse, and still haven't figured it out after 10+ years.

We Are Slow.

We Are Deaf.



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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 4:35:06 AM   
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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 5:03:53 AM   
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What if Clapton or Hendrix had used the wah-wah pedal on every guitar track, on every freaking song?

Hendrix did on Band of Gypsies, and there's a fair few guitarists who have used a wah wah on everything: John Perry out of the Only Ones used to be notorious for doing that. (Also, Bruce Kulik, but unlike him Perry made some good records.) Like a lot of electronics, a wah wah can do one than more thing, and is more often used as a controllable distortion boost than for the Theme From Shaft chukka-chukka thing this side of the mid '70s.

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I was talking about the apparent -ubiquity- of purely electronic gimmickry in an ever increasing imposition on what comes to our (or at least my) attention in public; from cars, from mall music, store music, restaurants and bars/taverns/pubs that have speakers on to patio/deck etc.

And the problem has to be the original source recordings, not the shitty reproduction through some bass-heavy stereo in some chav's car or a tinny invitation to a migraine that makes a car stereo sound like a vintage cinema quad system blaring out of a shop that's there more to make Primark look classy than for any other reason?

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Just as you say (thanks for proving my point, BTW) in many (way too many) instances this is a matter of whatever toys in the wrong hands. That is what I was speaking of to begin with. If at least 70% of what I'm hearing in public involves 70% or 100% of this dumbed down gimmickry being grossly abused and ill-used by nonmusical nitwits whose only purpose is to cut production costs to absolute minimum, are you proposing that we are in as good hands as with Kraftwerk or ELP?


Given that when Kraftwerk and ELP were at the height of their powers, you'd more likely hear shitty novelty records with somebody who could barely play a synth weighing in with a farting solo on a record that sounded like a Cilla Black* b-side before they made their contribution, yes, we probably are. Sorry, but if you're fool enough to think that everything on the radio in the '60s was as good as the Beatles or the Kinks, or that the only synth records you'd hear in the '70s were the good ones, you're possibly not playing with a full deck. It takes time for the shit to get sifted out and that hasn't happened yet with the more contemporary stuff.

I'm still waiting for your explanation of how "proper" instruments and real musicianship aren't responsible for abominations like Susan Boyle or The Darkness, while the shite idiots like KSI or Tinie Tempah churn out wouldn't have happened were it not for digital recording and those evil synthesisers and rhythm boxes, btw.

*(Or Chaz and Dave in the case of Lieutenant Pigeon)

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As for it taking two years for anybody to realise that the Calvioline was anything other than a contemporary novelty, maybe you should tell that to Sun Ra and John Barry? They'd been used pretty extensively for soundtrack work and jazz records where somebody wanted an odder sounding keyboard than a Rhodes for seven or eight years before Joe Meek's novelty record came out. (Runaway was released before that one as well.) Your man John Lennon used one on Baby You're A Rich Man before George Harrison bought his mellotron as well...

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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 6:16:22 AM   
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The knobkerrie must be brought into play from time to time to ensure the peace, never the birch as it excites some people. Just for edwird hit me with your rhythm stick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGVgfjnLqc

And to keep thread on track the King https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-udTHfAz4Vo

Which reminds me before we went out drinking, when I was younger, this was the drinking song why! The reasons remain wholly unclear Elvis Presley - Frankfurt Special.(From G.I Blues 1960) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RyRfWBKe0o


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RE: Music of the 1960s What a pity we we not yet born. ... - 8/18/2016 6:44:20 AM   
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Even though at least three of your proposed 'facts' are entirely wrong, especially "Band of Gypsies," you still use those errors to dance your way around the fact that neither Clapton nor Hendrix use the wah-wah pedal all the way thorough their repertoire, and continue to avoid the subject at hand in any case.

I didn't bring up the subject of bad musical non-talents playing musical instruments, you did, as a blatant red herring to the subject I brought up. That issue has been around for ages, sorry you missed it.

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And the problem has to be the original source recordings, not the shitty reproduction through some bass-heavy stereo in some chav's car or a tinny invitation to a migraine that makes a car stereo sound like a vintage cinema quad system blaring out of a shop that's there more to make Primark look classy than for any other reason?


I've worked a good bit in pro audio, 25+ years of live sound mixing,for hundreds of shows, have passed through a year each of music theory and a piano tuning and repair course, with another year of studio recording, with a certificates each in the latter two. At least my peers seem to have taken note of that. When the unmistakable cheap toy drum sound comes through any sound system, it doesn't take magical ears to hear where the problem is. Also, I have the most beat up records in the world, along with the most well kept audiophile half-speed mastered and direct-to-disk recordings, on a pretty good system. Along with a pro tape machine.

I think I can tell the difference in what sonic detriment comes from where just possibly a slight bit better than you. I could be wrong.

"a record that sounded like a Cilla Black ...

Sorry to hear that you're a Cilla Black hater, not that I'm her biggest fan. In any case, let's move on.

You wouldn't have come up with JL's use of the Clavioline in the first place had I not brought it to your attention, whereupon you went all Googly moogly. But it is quite instructive that you apparently can't hear the Blatently Obvious (sonically different) way in which he used it as opposed to my earlier examples. This is why you had whatever career you did and I had mine.

But again, even with the Clavioline used in the cases you mention, (and yes, I was already aware of them) how much of that did we hear when walking down the street, in a mall? In a store? Etc.

That's the other side of it; they blast this shite everywhere nowadays. And I fully agree, things were not all roses in the '60s or '70s or 80s or '50s or whenever, in whatever sense. Not culturally or otherwise.

BTY, George didn't buy a Mellotron for the Beatles. They already had that at EMI studios when JL recorded Strawberry Fields, and it was Paul's idea to use it. The Mellotron was an analog device that used a keyboard to actuate tape playback of recordings of various musical instruments. It was nothing near a synthesizer at all. George bought the real deal Moog synthesizer somewhere in early-mid '69.

And sorry, no excuses that "we are still trying to figure it out" just like they did in the good old days. It doesn't take 10 years for anyone not wearing a hearing aid to figure out a toy drum sound when they hear it, especially when more than adequate syndrums have been out for 15 years already. I can well assure you the foisting of sonic crap I'm speaking of is quite intentional. I know people in the business, which is why I'm not in it anymore.

It's OK to try new things, go for a different sound, etc. It helps to have people with the ears to do it, that's all.














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Even though at least three of your proposed 'facts' are entirely wrong, especially "Band of Gypsies," you still use those errors to dance your way around the fact that neither Clapton nor Hendrix use the wah-wah pedal all the way thorough their repertoire, and continue to avoid the subject at hand in any case.

Really? Which three would those be?

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And sorry, no excuses that 'we are still trying to figure it out' just like they did in the good old days. It doesn't take 10 years for anyone not wearing a hearing aid to figure out a toy drum sound when they hear it, especially when more than adequate syndrums have been out for 15 years already. I can well assure you the foisting of sonic crap is I'm speaking of quite intentional.

Tell you what: when I no longer hear MOR slop like Rod Stewart's Sailing or Cat Steven's mind-numbingly tiresome '70s dreck on the radio or pub muzak, I might buy your argument that it shouldn't take ten years for shit to sink. As things stand, shit that's even older than I am is still getting a frequent airing.

Nice that you've narrowed your issue down to drum machines more than anything else, though. Moved into audio recording instead of performing because your band thought a small box from Roland would be easier to deal with and wouldn't bleat on about Hendrix and Clapton all the time, did we?

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