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EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 2:58:44 AM   
bondageerone


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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 3:25:28 AM   
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http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/08/11/residents-skeptical-black-lives-matter-victim-shot-police/

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 3:27:20 AM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 3:50:41 AM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 3:52:15 AM   
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not that, this was a normal woman in a training session in Florida, cop made a mistake. she is dead.xx



And which one of your gun laws would have prevented this? Do you not allow your cops to handle firearms? Or maybe you have a magic pill that stops normal people from making mistakes? Inquiring minds and all...

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:06:35 AM   
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not that, this was a normal woman in a training session in Florida, cop made a mistake. she is dead.xx



And which one of your gun laws would have prevented this? Do you not allow your cops to handle firearms? Or maybe you have a magic pill that stops normal people from making mistakes? Inquiring minds and all...

Here is a short read on the kind of gun training that the UK cops get, the writer is a US cop
Constables who carry firearms, called Authorised Firearms Officers or AFOs, are selected even more carefully and have years of experience before they can even apply. Many are already qualified as pursuit drivers because the Armed Response Vehicles (ARVs) they operate have to respond quickly and sometimes over significant distances. Prospective AFOs first spend a week becoming familiar with the 9mm Glock pistol and H&K MP5 automatic rifle, then spend another six weeks in tactical training. Once qualified, they attend one full day of firearms refresher training each month and a two-week course each year. With a few exceptions, they do not carry the firearms routinely. The firearms are locked in a compartment within the ARV, and can be deployed only under restricted conditions and usually with the authorization of an inspector-level officer. AFOs have to be in superior physical condition, and an injury or weight gain usually means leaving that unit, at least temporarily. Some AFOs also carry TASERs. These are not available to regular constables.

U.S. cops get 40-80 hours of firearms training in the academy, and may not actually train with their weapons again for years. They do qualify periodically (sometimes as infrequently as once per year) in a marksmanship course of 50 rounds or so, but those who fail to pass typically just repeat the course until they qualify. Most U.S. police agencies regard the ammunition necessary for firearms training to be too expensive to provide regular firearms training. U.S. police carry their firearms all the time, on duty and off, and need no supervisory authorization to deploy them.

There are other aspects of UK police training that are far superior to what police typically receive in the United States. For example, riot control (they call it "public disorder") training includes a mock riot where instructors are throwing half-bricks and live Molotov cocktails (gasoline bombs) at the trainees.



https://www.quora.com/How-do-UK-police-compare-to-US-police

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:31:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		And after all that, the cops in the UK are still human and still capable of making mistakes. To imply a gun law will prevent someone from fucking up is just Stupid.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:43:08 AM   
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Constables who carry firearms, called Authorised Firearms Officers or AFOs


My dad was one of those. But this was decades ago: it all became a lot more specialised since he was a Pc.

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Most U.S. police agencies regard the ammunition necessary for firearms training to be too expensive to provide regular firearms training.


Strewth. Who knew the USA was so poor that even its police couldn't afford the bullets they needed?

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:47:37 AM   
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And after all that, the cops in the UK are still human and still capable of making mistakes. To imply a gun law will prevent someone from fucking up is just Stupid.

I just thought you might like to see an example of the difference between the training of UK cops and US cops....get your tampax untangled.
I never stated an opinion.


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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 4:57:25 AM   
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Constables who carry firearms, called Authorised Firearms Officers or AFOs


My dad was one of those. But this was decades ago: it all became a lot more specialised since he was a Pc.

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Most U.S. police agencies regard the ammunition necessary for firearms training to be too expensive to provide regular firearms training.


Strewth. Who knew the USA was so poor that even its police couldn't afford the bullets they needed?

My bro inlaw is coming up on 25 years in the met, we have talked a lot about the changes since I left... I know I couldnt do it.

The cops here have guns and we have a lot of shootings, inc a cop who shot a guy on a bus, was sentenced to 6 years for shooting an unarmed cop a couple of weeks ago.
WE also had a "future terrorist " get killed earlier in the week, by the cops, he was apparently planning a mass attack. Im glad hes dead.


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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 6:14:15 AM   
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The cops here have guns and we have a lot of shootings, inc a cop who shot a guy on a bus, was sentenced to 6 years for shooting an unarmed cop a couple of weeks ago.
WE also had a "future terrorist " get killed earlier in the week, by the cops, he was apparently planning a mass attack. Im glad hes dead.



I shared a squat, back in my early 20s, with a Canadian-born friend. One time, his brother-in-law, a cop in Toronto, came to stay. My friend, Nick, asked us all to be very easy on him because he was suffering from PTSD after too many shooting incidents in succession back home. He just sat there, staring at the ground, talking only occasionally and then only very quietly. We all thought, 'poor guy - who'd do a job like that?'

It seemed pretty incongruous, a Toronto cop, being in our squat in London. Apparently, though, he'd been given leave for health reasons and had expressed a desire to 'take a holiday with his bro-in-law and his hippie friends in London'. I suppose it makes sense when you think about it.


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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 6:44:23 AM   
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And after all that, the cops in the UK are still human and still capable of making mistakes. To imply a gun law will prevent someone from fucking up is just Stupid.

Yeah - it's perfectly possible.

But compare the fuck-up stats between the US and the UK.
No contest.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:39:22 AM   
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not that, this was a normal woman in a training session in Florida, cop made a mistake. she is dead.xx

and gun laws wouldn't have affected this

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:41:02 AM   
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And after all that, the cops in the UK are still human and still capable of making mistakes. To imply a gun law will prevent someone from fucking up is just Stupid.

This was the same kind of stupid mistake that killed Brandon Lee.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:43:02 AM   
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Constables who carry firearms, called Authorised Firearms Officers or AFOs


My dad was one of those. But this was decades ago: it all became a lot more specialised since he was a Pc.

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Most U.S. police agencies regard the ammunition necessary for firearms training to be too expensive to provide regular firearms training.


Strewth. Who knew the USA was so poor that even its police couldn't afford the bullets they needed?

People resent spending money on the police, just like they do the military.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:43:32 AM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:45:06 AM   
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What, the Police are supposed to load their guns with blanks over there?

In training exercises like this blanks or nothing.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:49:32 AM   
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What, the Police are supposed to load their guns with blanks over there?


Beats me. Presumably you need the real rounds to practise properly, though.

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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:51:00 AM   
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RE: EVEN YOUR COPS..USA.. - 8/12/2016 10:53:24 AM   
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