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RE: Go France - 8/22/2016 11:01:57 PM   
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You are aware that the Europeans came to these places as invaders, not refugees?


Is that what the history channel told you? Is that what your lady phd history teacher told you?
The history books do not speak of soldiers on the mayflower.
Why do you think the puritans were invaders? Why do you think roger williams was an invader? The history books tend to indicate that they were refugees from religious persecution.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.






The Puritans fled persecution from the Crown for trying to practice their own brand of religious persecution on British soil.

They wanted to burn witches under their own screed, screw the Crown.

They took the boat West, and so they did.

They also had better lakes and ponds in the new country, from which to dip 12 yr. old girls head down from a pole and fulcrum into the water.

Gotta love that.

Then flooded by the Calvinists, and the Protestants, with all their acquisition for its own sake mantra.

What made this country great.




Which isn't the full story.

The Puritans who left England were Separatists who felt the Church of England was too far gone to 'purify' it.

Many puritans stayed. They disagreed and felt the answer was to purify the church from within.

And, among those who left for America many of them had a history of being progressive in England. From memory, 12 people of the Boston, Lincolnshire congregation left for America around 1630, one of whom was famous for building schools - don't recall his name - and another became a very important woman in the history of women's rights.

These people wanted to build a better world, a more pure world free of corruption, Cotton was the man's surname - don't recall his Christian name - but 'building a city upon a hill with the world's eyes upon us' (or something like that, is a famous quote that meant building a more charitable world).

So, these people were far more than idiots who ran 'round the woods looking for heretics to burn.




Yes, it was John Cotton who made the trip, and he and his grandson Cotton Mather did good things for their society.

That doesn't escape the fact that the elder Cotton advocated death for heretics, nor that his grandson was instrumental in the Salem witch trials and burning humans alive to that purpose.

US Southern slave owners and Nazi party members did good things for their society, too. Built new schools and all that.

British and Dutch slave traders got many mansions and estates obtained, and many lordships and Sirs handed out from all they 'contributed to their society' by way of throwing crumbs to the crowd from the phenomenal spoils obtained from that venture.

I'm not saying that any boat coming from Europe had ill intent, and I'm in agreement that the predominance of emigration was to escape very bad conditions in their homeland at the time.

All I'm saying is that religious persecution, child labor, etc. kept pace with what was happening in Europe.

So at the end, there were millions in the US saying "What was it that we 'escaped'?"

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RE: Go France - 8/22/2016 11:09:26 PM   
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We sloughed off George III and his army, that's it. Congratulations to us.

We get a nice holiday out of it.




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RE: Go France - 8/22/2016 11:22:22 PM   
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Cannes bans full body burkini at beaches

All I can say to the horrified Muslim women, no worries. You can still wear a full body diving wet suit. And then a swimming cap.

There ya go!

Funny thing is I actually wear that at a beach when I go snorkel as it's better than putting sunblock. To prevent burns.



I don't see how trampling on the religious rights of any group of religious people is going to accomplish anything ... especially in this manner.

I have come to believe that Islam is not a religion, based upon my reading of the Qur'an.

My issue with Islam has nothing to do with the way they choose to dress; it has to do with the way they run around, murdering the "infidels".

Let these ladies dress however they want, but if we find them with bomb-making equipment under their robes waste 'em and let Allah sort 'em out.



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RE: Go France - 8/22/2016 11:36:34 PM   
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We sloughed off George III and his army, that's it. Congratulations to us.

We get a nice holiday out of it.


OH! The flippancy!

Yes of course, the US actually got much more out of it than a 'nice holiday.'

We attracted a good many from the scientific and cultural communities abroad, and then grew a good many of our own in that regard.

Such is the pursuit of evolution.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 12:06:10 AM   
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I am a strong believer that those who wish to relocate themselves to another country should fully integrate into the society they have chosen to live in.
That means adopting the local customs, accepting the food, the dress code, attitude etc etc.
By all means allow them the freedom to practice their religion in private as long as it is within the legalities of the land they have settled in.


Wow!


In the first place, I'm not sure if MariaB is making this her own, or was just quoting, and her "Wow!" as disagreement from the sentiment quoted.

But did anyone not read the initial article and see what the mayor said?

“manifesting religious affiliation -in an ostentatious way-, while France and its religious sites are currently the target of terrorist attacks, could create risks of trouble to public order.”

Agree or disagree with that law, but I cannot actually disagree with the intent. I'm tired of people shoving their religion in our face. And that comes from decades of suffering that crap from 'Christians' more than anything else.

So I spend years getting away from that crap, only now to see all the yarmulkes on infants, and burkas and whatnot out in public all the time?

No, -just no-.

I have expended many a post in opposition to those who think that Jews or Muslims are out to destroy the world, or at least anyone outside of their world.

But I have also grown up in the US, where we still have to fight daily to keep fuckwit Christians out of the government.

I'm not against someone wearing a small cross or star of David on his/her neck chain, but I'm not sitting well with oversized crosses nor burkas, etc. which only purpose is to proclaim that 'My religion is best!.' 'Your religion sucks, and you are going to hell!'

Sorry, I grew up with too many years of that religious crapolla.










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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 12:12:27 AM   
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And yes, Gretta et al., that means I don't have any use for your tirade about the Muslims when you support lunatics like Trump, either.

That's as bad or worse than any religion.

Religion is based upon making the masses jump, and you are full on board with Trump for that very reason (and an eager jumper yourself thereby), so STFU about the Muslims.






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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 2:16:04 AM   
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I have come to believe that Islam is not a religion, based upon my reading of the Qur'an.


Oh my how catholic of you...perhaps they will feel the same about you?


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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 2:52:37 AM   
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We sloughed off George III and his army, that's it. Congratulations to us.

We get a nice holiday out of it.


OH! The flippancy!

Yes of course, the US actually got much more out of it than a 'nice holiday.'

We attracted a good many from the scientific and cultural communities abroad, and then grew a good many of our own in that regard.

Such is the pursuit of evolution.



Actually I have discovered that recently. (years but kinda recently) When I was a kid I had this science encyclopedia I read practically cover to cover, but I skipped over the bios of inventors etc. because I wasn't interested in that. Then I found another copy. (the original was lost in a move) So I went through it again reading the bios of the inventors and innovators and found that many of them were off the boat or their Parents were off the boat.

I also found that many of them lived up in to their eighties and realized that when they say people live longer they are full of shit. By reduced infant mortality and less five year olds dying from the mumps or some shit and less 15 year olds killed in battle, the AVERAGE life expectancy has increased. But in no way does that mean that everyone died at 50 in the past. I discovered another lie in the statistics.

When things were really humping during what might be called the industrial revolution I believe two things attracted them here. First of it was a rapidly expanding country, thus a rapidly expanding market. Another thing, which would be damn hard to research might be the lack of adequate intellectual property laws in the old country.

Researching law is damn hard enough, researching law in places like Poland, Germany, Scotland is something I am not going to even try.

However, I think Germany might have had tight laws about it because of a rumor among the oldtimers in the machining.engineering field. That the diesel engine was actually invented here by White Motors and Rudolf Diesel hopped on over to Germany to beat them to the patent. It establishes prior art. Here, he could not get a patent in his name because the invention was done on company time.

International intellectual property issues are a total mess. Sweden, Israel, Russia, a few other countries just say go fuck off and undercut your market these days. I can't imagine what it was like 150 years ago when shit was really going on.

But it was going on in alot of places, as Farnsworth invented TV here, Baird did about the same thing in England. As Ransom Eli Olds figured out what to do with the waste product gasoline, some people in Europe were doing the same thing. Before them, gasoline was considered a waste product. They used it as a defoliant and when they really meant business lit it. They had oil lights but the fuel was more like diesel fuel or, well, lamp oil which burns more slowly and is less volatile. People did not want gasoline in the house because of the smell.

And look at the Manhattan Project, most of them were spirited away in the middle of the night from other countries. Even now, people get here on H1B visas and that ain't to flip burgers. In fact one I used to correspond with a bit wrote hardware drivers for computers. From Australia. Why did he have to come here to do that ? He probably could have done it from there. I suspect the company he worked for did not want the software written in Austalia.

Now that he came up, his name is Lewin A.R.W. Edwards.. Somewhere I have a copy of his old resume'. He took out some things over the years, among them is that he quit college at 16 to go to work. Quit COLLEGE at 16. Has been self educated on an ad hoc basis ever since.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 3:16:21 AM   
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And yes, Gretta et al., that means I don't have any use for your tirade about the Muslims when you support lunatics like Trump, either.

That's as bad or worse than any religion.

Religion is based upon making the masses jump, and you are full on board with Trump for that very reason (and an eager jumper yourself thereby), so STFU about the Muslims.


But Trump is MADE IN USA! You aren't being patriotic.

Islam is not Made in USA!

Trump is like super duper American.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 3:28:35 AM   
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Trump is like super duper American.

Trump is just a wanker, Greta.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 4:27:50 AM   
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But Trump is MADE IN USA! You aren't being patriotic.

Islam is not Made in USA!

Trump is like super duper American.

Timmy...we are not going to get you out of the well.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 5:13:10 AM   
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We sloughed off George III and his army, that's it. Congratulations to us.

We get a nice holiday out of it.


OH! The flippancy!

Yes of course, the US actually got much more out of it than a 'nice holiday.'

We attracted a good many from the scientific and cultural communities abroad, and then grew a good many of our own in that regard.

Such is the pursuit of evolution.





International intellectual property issues are a total mess. Sweden, Israel, Russia, a few other countries just say go fuck off and undercut your market these days. I can't imagine what it was like 150 years ago when shit was really going on.


Here's what it was like.

Some guy got a patent on ALL bicycles, and made it hell for anybody selling anything that even looked like a bicycle.

Another guy got a patent for anything that looked like a motor vehicle.

Henry Ford actually had as advertisement in the earliest days; "We will pay your fines if you buy our cars."

I think I got that from one or both of these two books;

https://www.amazon.com/Barry-C.-Lynn/e/B001HMNW7S

Interesting reading, I think you would enjoy it. But I think that many librarys have these books (mine did) so you can avoid amazon.

You won't blame it all on the Chinese if you read these books.

I am so sick and tired of all these fuckwits screaming for me to "give me a link!" all the time, like the mental 4 yr. old brats that they in fact are.

I can recall hardly half, on a good day, of what I read or studied 15-30 years ago as it is, mostly because I read way too much, and so relentlessly.

But apparently, those last two I mentioned were within the last ten years.





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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 5:20:07 AM   
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Trump is like super duper American.

Trump is just a wanker, Greta.

Maybe that's what she means by super duper American? They seem to have an awful lot of wankers in the 'States...

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 5:27:20 AM   
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Maybe that's what she means by super duper American? They seem to have an awful lot of wankers in the 'States...


Take your hand off that thing.

Did I give you permission?

Like bongageerone, ... just can't keep her hands off.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 5:33:14 AM   
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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 5:39:52 AM   
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Indeed.

Glad to hear your not being troubled by the 'All of them are wankers' theme, careless and stupid broad strokes, etc..

The British Empire ...


Where's the song!



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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 5:43:45 AM   
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National wanking, at it's finest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY




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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 5:45:39 AM   
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No one does it better.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 7:40:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
We sloughed off George III and his army, that's it. Congratulations to us.

We get a nice holiday out of it.


OH! The flippancy!

Yes of course, the US actually got much more out of it than a 'nice holiday.'

We attracted a good many from the scientific and cultural communities abroad, and then grew a good many of our own in that regard.

Such is the pursuit of evolution.



Actually I have discovered that recently. (years but kinda recently) When I was a kid I had this science encyclopedia I read practically cover to cover, but I skipped over the bios of inventors etc. because I wasn't interested in that.

...


However, I think Germany might have had tight laws about it because of a rumor among the oldtimers in the machining.engineering field. That the diesel engine was actually invented here by White Motors and Rudolf Diesel hopped on over to Germany to beat them to the patent. It establishes prior art. Here, he could not get a patent in his name because the invention was done on company time.

...

But it was going on in alot of places, as Farnsworth invented TV here, Baird did about the same thing in England. As Ransom Eli Olds figured out what to do with the waste product gasoline, some people in Europe were doing the same thing. Before them, gasoline was considered a waste product. They used it as a defoliant and when they really meant business lit it. They had oil lights but the fuel was more like diesel fuel or, well, lamp oil which burns more slowly and is less volatile. People did not want gasoline in the house because of the smell.




You got a few things wrong. Completely. And your wannnabe science encyclopedia obviously ignored all facts not palatable to US readers ... obviously ignored a lot of facts ...

A few examples, your examples:

1) The Diesel engine was patented by Diesel, and invented. The first one still exists, built in 1892, patented in 1897. Whereas your "White Co." was founded three years after that ...
There was a patent dispute with Akroyd Stuart (UK) because his engine also has no sparkling plug. It works at a much lower pressure though.

2) The first one to use gasoline for automobile use was (guess) the one who invented the automobile, Carl Benz - or rather his wife Bertha when she was the first to travel by it from Mannheim to Pforzheim (both not in the USA) in 1888. Olds built his first petrol-engine car in 1898, and started with steam engines a few years before.

(the inventor of the 4-stroke petrol-engine in case you wonder: Nicolaus Otto ...)

3) Television is a combination of many inventions:
Just a few:
electronic transfer of images by line-by-line detection: Paul Nipkow
kathode ray tube and screen: Ferdinand von Braun and Jonathan Zenneck
electronic image recording: Vladimir Svorykin
the term "television": Konstantin Perski
(none of them american ...)


I 'd recommend losing that wannabe encyclopedia again - right in the bin.

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RE: Go France - 8/23/2016 9:38:30 AM   
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That's impressive.

Siemans Röhren were considered top notch. We audiophiles still pay attention to such things today, and there are still selections from German and Belgian and British and American tubes that will still be here 200 years and beyond.

I'm not going to name the tube, or 'valve' in this commentary, but whatever was in the famous U-47 was just a bit different than what directed those rockets to Britain in the last part of WW II.

Look up the name Archut

The man, by himself, literally dragged things out of the dumpster that Siemans were throwing away.

He has left this world now, and so many still miss him, aside his immediate family.

His knowledge of 'mikrofon' transformers was phenomenal.

The Germans nor the Brits ever made anything as good as the 6SN7 for the preamp section, but everybody is buying whatever output tubes they made then, from those countries.

That German guy who made so many good preamps and microphones used more Phillips than anything else, not the Telefunkens.

But still, in today's valve market, Telefunkens get insane amounts of money for just a 12AX7, and not without reason.

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