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ORIGINAL: MariaB
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It's not nonsense.
As I said, some of it is media and a lot of it is direct communication.
ETA: That list of stuff that Muslims want?? That has come mainly from my local Muslims here. It's what they want to see happening in the UK.
Right wing media has a deliberate bias against Muslims, especially when it comes to Sharia Law. Sharia Law within the UK is NOT and never can be the rule of law and therefore plays no role in the nation's legal system.
It amazes me when you have such strong opinions and are outwardly vocal on here about the wrongs of Muslims, that so many Muslims have confided in you about how they feel. I have lived and worked amongst Muslims both here and in Iran and what I find is, they tend to be extremely private people when it comes to talking about how they personally feel about their laws versus British law. Perhaps you only mix with extremists.
I don't see that right-wing is any worse than left wing.
I honestly don't think politics comes into it.
Yes, they are often very private people as you've said.
But when your kids and theirs form a good friendship, the doors tend to open a lot more.
When you have a fairly good friendship with the parents, it is quite a different world.
Quite a lot of our Muslim friends are more acquaintences than proper friends - and that is what most people see on the outside.
Some of our friends are proper friends by close association of our kids.
And what you see and learn from the different sets of people are quite astoundingly different.
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And I also said that I was picking on the Muslims because they were by far the most common group that is noticable.
I did not exclude other groups.
I actually stated that there were other groups who do not 'fit in'.
I criticised the Brits for not fitting in when they decide to retire abroad to other countries too.
I didn't restrict it to a single group of people.
I'm still baffled as to what you mean by "don't fit in". Not fitting in, at least to me, is nothing to do with dress and all to do with integrating with the natives. Muslims are far more likely to integrate than other religious groups, especially when it comes to work. Whilst the women may dress differently, they tend to have a good grasp of the English language and I've always found that they are very eager to fit in and be accepted.
Perhaps you haven’t had the same experience because they sense your animosity.
I experience quite different things here.
Muslims, like any other generic group of people, tend to group together and stick together in abject defiance of integrating.
As I have said several times in various threads, they do the absolute minimum to function within the society and they don't fully integrate.
Of course, not all are like that but the majority are.
Your definition is much different to mine.
To me, 'fitting in' is the whole gamut - behaviour, food, dress, attitude, language, the whole nine yards. Not just the minimum to get by.
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But the thread was specifically about the French laws that are particularly aimed at Muslim women and were further extended to several other places, albeit temporarily.
And a part of that argument is that both the French and the Germans feel that Muslims are deliberately refusing to fit into local society and are thus causing problems.
The French in particular are stating that Muslim dress is anathema to French national identity.
I love much of the French culture and being half French, I feel as though I fit in, but a lot of French people are racist bigots. If you went to live in France and couldn't speak French, its unlikely you would make any friends, even with the French who can speak plain English. Put your child into French school and I'll bet you the roof that covers my head that your child will be shown racism by the teachers. They simply don't like foreigners, especially Muslims and Algerians.
And it's not just the french that do that.
A lot of other countries will tolerate visitors for the revenue they bring.
But if you want to 'fit in', you have to adopt their whole way of life otherwise you are often shunned.
In many Islamic countries, they also enforce it by strict laws.
Personally, I think it is a good thing that if you want to live in a place you should fully adopt and embrace their culture and way of life - not just pay lip-service to survive.
I made the comment that many don't - including the Brits.
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Your comment: FFS, when have you heard a Muslim or an Orthodox Jew dictate to the rest of us about what we should wear?
Howz about last week when my wife was chastised by a young Muslim boy for smoking in public and not covering up her face because 'it's not allowed'?
As I've said a few times now, not all of this is media reporting; some of it is personal.
Like I said, you clearly only mix with radicals 
These weren't a group that we mix with.
There is an area between our place and where my step-daughter lives where another group of Muslims live and to go around it is a long and arduous detour on foot.
Many times when she visits us or when my wife goes to hers, they are subject to racial slurs because they feel that Islamic rules should be part of English law and they make many comments such as the one I mentioned in distain for British liberalism.
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And just because they are first or second or even third generation born of the country doesn't mean they are not foreigners. They are still indoctrinated and brainwashed by their parents in foreign anti-western dogma.
No it doesn't, it means they are British. My husband is second generation Polish but he was born here so he's British.
British born maybe; but not of British spirit.
In my mind, that still puts them firmly as foreigners.
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What you found elsewhere is irrelevant to this thread
but what you have found elsewhere is relevant?
I am speaking of Europe and the UK that directly affect us.
You speak of places elsewhere that have no relevance to our attitudes or our laws.
Big difference.
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