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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 11:39:52 AM   
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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.


So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?



Whether or not there are power dynamics involved doesn't make racism a pure power dynamic. Lefties like you use that BS to say that blacks can't be racist because they have no power, which is pure BS. And until the minority racism is dealt with nothing is going to change. You definition just serves to perpetuate racism and hate.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 11:44:32 AM   
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Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.


So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?



Actually, I'm not confused. And it's you that sounds just like a 1950's era segragationist. All the right and reasonable words that just prove your prejudice is moral.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 12:26:42 PM   
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Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.


So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?



Actually, I'm not confused. And it's you that sounds just like a 1950's era segragationist. All the right and reasonable words that just prove your prejudice is moral.

Yeah, right.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 12:32:46 PM   
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Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.


So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?




Whether or not there are power dynamics involved doesn't make racism a pure power dynamic. Lefties like you use that BS to say that blacks can't be racist because they have no power, which is pure BS. And until the minority racism is dealt with nothing is going to change. You definition just serves to perpetuate racism and hate.


Only a fool would deny that racism does not involve the oppression of one group by another. So, you think a man who is being beaten will make it stop if he only changes his definition of "beaten."


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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 12:36:13 PM   
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F If it was open armed rebellion shouldn't the army have been sent in to put it down.

There were military tanks or personnel carriers on Springfield Avenue in Newark.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 12:38:40 PM   
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Klansmen were most often powerless people who resorted to the scapegoating of blacks to feel like they were somebody. The powerless need racism more than the powerful.


Very astute. Good point.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 12:44:03 PM   
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Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 1:04:21 PM   
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I thought the peasants had the right to bear arms in your laughing stock of a nation

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 1:29:44 PM   
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Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people



Vince we all have the same feet... that was and is a bullshit argument... Racism can be very easily quantified. If they can show racism I am all for stamping it out. You can't call unemployment racism in my area. Business and municipalities are trying to find qualified African Americans... hell some cities have a requirement to fill. The problem is education... This is no bull Vince there have been many stories of the following happening. Young African American children making good grades are accused of trying to be white and attacked.

My city took on a hundred African American children on a voluntary program. This kids excelled in our system where they not only got support from teachers but their fellow students. Many of these same children were failing in their home schools. There is an attitude in their home schools that to be good in school is an affront to the black man.

You can't use money either... the inner city districts receive more tax dollars per student than our school. The bottom line is only African Americans can change their real problems...and racism, although there is always some of that, is not the root cause of their poverty and crime today.

I am fully aware of the effect of past racism and the problems it causes... Again I am all for school aid for those that can't afford tuition. You can't get a well paying job without a competent education.

Butch


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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 2:44:48 PM   
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F If it was open armed rebellion shouldn't the army have been sent in to put it down.

There were military tanks or personnel carriers on Springfield Avenue in Newark.

Tanks in Newark is not putting down a revolt in Baltimore, that's not even the same state.

BTW what were they doing, is there a NG armory on Springfield Avenue in Newark. I guess part of the military plan to put down the rebellion was to give them room to destroy.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 2:53:54 PM   
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Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people



Vince we all have the same feet... that was and is a bullshit argument... Racism can be very easily quantified. If they can show racism I am all for stamping it out. You can't call unemployment racism in my area. Business and municipalities are trying to find qualified African Americans... hell some cities have a requirement to fill. The problem is education... This is no bull Vince there have been many stories of the following happening. Young African American children making good grades are accused of trying to be white and attacked.

My city took on a hundred African American children on a voluntary program. This kids excelled in our system where they not only got support from teachers but their fellow students. Many of these same children were failing in their home schools. There is an attitude in their home schools that to be good in school is an affront to the black man.

You can't use money either... the inner city districts receive more tax dollars per student than our school. The bottom line is only African Americans can change their real problems...and racism, although there is always some of that, is not the root cause of their poverty and crime today.

I am fully aware of the effect of past racism and the problems it causes... Again I am all for school aid for those that can't afford tuition. You can't get a well paying job without a competent education.

Butch


Here the state hires based on testing.
They then use the zone system to hire.
You know, they have to offer a job to everyone in zone 1 before they can offer to anyone in zone 2.
However they also break it down so in reality there is a zone 1a and 1b.
1a is all black, 1b is everyone else and you have to go through 1a before they can offer to 1b. Of course the 1b still have to go to interviews for jobs they aren't allowed to have. But according to many Alabama is still run by the Klan, because what they want to believe in more than what is.


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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 4:08:40 PM   
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Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?


You lay the 15,000,000 squarely at the feet of the U S and the reason for blacks
to resent white people.
So did you want us to believe that all 15,000,000 were transported to the U S or do you actually think that the U S should somehow be held responsible for the actions of Brazil. Or do you think that every white person is responsible for the actions of any other white person.

I do not. It is only that simple if you look at it from a nationalist defensive posture. It is an international, historical problem of colonization and racialism that began on the shores of West Africa and with the brutal enslavement of Caribbean indios by Columbus. It is the story of the continuing systemic subjugation of people of color by white people here in America, in Australia, Britain, and in Latin America. And it erupts in violence in our cities and ring suburbs where blacks feel they are incarcerated in their own neighborhoods by brutal police practices. It takes on a different face in Mexico where drug cartels are heroes to the indigenous people and in Guatemala, Hondurus, Peru, etc., where the first people have been treated terribly by the white skinned descendants of Spanish conquistadors. So, I do not lay it all on the United States. We are just a part of the broader world history of racial abuses of people of color.

I'm going to call BS again. Jees you do love your socialist revised history. Slavery was the condition of the world from the start of the world. Columbus didn't invent it. Everyone who concurred anyone took the indigenous people into slavery. The Vikings made a lot of money doing that sort of thing all over Europe. Rome depopulated Gaul. That sort of thing was done everywhere and didn't stop until white, euoropean males, mostly Christian, figured out it was immoral and stopped it.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 4:13:08 PM   
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Fifteen million blacks were transported as slaves to the Americas. You think that's just a bump that will go away if we say oh, hey, sorry about that?


You lay the 15,000,000 squarely at the feet of the U S and the reason for blacks
to resent white people.
So did you want us to believe that all 15,000,000 were transported to the U S or do you actually think that the U S should somehow be held responsible for the actions of Brazil. Or do you think that every white person is responsible for the actions of any other white person.

I do not. It is only that simple if you look at it from a nationalist defensive posture. It is an international, historical problem of colonization and racialism that began on the shores of West Africa and with the brutal enslavement of Caribbean indios by Columbus. It is the story of the continuing systemic subjugation of people of color by white people here in America, in Australia, Britain, and in Latin America. And it erupts in violence in our cities and ring suburbs where blacks feel they are incarcerated in their own neighborhoods by brutal police practices. It takes on a different face in Mexico where drug cartels are heroes to the indigenous people and in Guatemala, Hondurus, Peru, etc., where the first people have been treated terribly by the white skinned descendants of Spanish conquistadors. So, I do not lay it all on the United States. We are just a part of the broader world history of racial abuses of people of color.

I'm going to call BS again. Jees you do love your socialist revised history. Slavery was the condition of the world from the start of the world. Columbus didn't invent it. Everyone who concurred anyone took the indigenous people into slavery. The Vikings made a lot of money doing that sort of thing all over Europe. Rome depopulated Gaul. That sort of thing was done everywhere and didn't stop until white, euoropean males, mostly Christian, figured out it was immoral and stopped it.

Let us be fair, White people didn't put an end to slavery, it is still common in Africa and as you say it existed long before Europeans discovered the market.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 4:14:35 PM   
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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.


So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?




Whether or not there are power dynamics involved doesn't make racism a pure power dynamic. Lefties like you use that BS to say that blacks can't be racist because they have no power, which is pure BS. And until the minority racism is dealt with nothing is going to change. You definition just serves to perpetuate racism and hate.


Only a fool would deny that racism does not involve the oppression of one group by another. So, you think a man who is being beaten will make it stop if he only changes his definition of "beaten."


Now you've changed the word racism to oppression. So, you've realized I was correct and you were not. We weren't discussing oppression. We were discussing racism.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 4:21:22 PM   
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I thought the peasants had the right to bear arms in your laughing stock of a nation


Shut up and pay your telly tax boy.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 4:21:26 PM   
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Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people

What you've done here is BS yet one more time. One of the Washington papers looked at this BS. They found that most of the unarmed blacks killed by police were fighting police and trying to take their weapon. It's easy to make BS and the Guardian did so. I'm going to guess since you only read very leftist news you didn't see the research the paper did so are ignorant. I'll let you decide whether to google or not.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 4:31:43 PM   
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Nnanji !

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No, multiculturalists have called racism a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say, "well, since I have no power I'm not racist." Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics, that's total BS. Saying its a power dynamic just makes, and perpetuates, the victimology that ensures the minority problems will never be dealt with. The fact is that whites in this country have changed a a great deal and blacks haven't. They use excuses such as this BS to stay in a place of hate. Things won't change as long as this sort of BS continues to make them victims. This is real racism.


So, you look back throughout all of our history and our current enterprise and proclaim with certainty that whites have not been and are not now the captains of the power structure in America. If so, you have a bumper sticker for a brain.

Your assertion that whites have changed and blacks haven't is an incredulous statement. How narrow your mind.

The best of your critical thinking is to resort to Reagan's "Welfare Queen" bumper sticker.

Look at your opening comment: they say it is a power dynamic so they can be racist against whites and say since they have no power they cannot be called racists. Jesus, you are confused.

All relationships involve power dynamics. How in hell can you be a member of a bdsm community and not recognize that truism?




Whether or not there are power dynamics involved doesn't make racism a pure power dynamic. Lefties like you use that BS to say that blacks can't be racist because they have no power, which is pure BS. And until the minority racism is dealt with nothing is going to change. You definition just serves to perpetuate racism and hate.


Only a fool would deny that racism does not involve the oppression of one group by another. So, you think a man who is being beaten will make it stop if he only changes his definition of "beaten."


Now you've changed the word racism to oppression. So, you've realized I was correct and you were not. We weren't discussing oppression. We were discussing racism.

Rowanda

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 8:36:53 PM   
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OK folks now that the definition of racism has been brought up, first of all the first guy I ever hired in business was Black. I used the Nword in front of him but NEVER called him that. He called me a honky once in a while. We got along and partied after work sometimes. But he did a decent job.

I do not want to fuck Black, Oriental, Muslim/Arabic type, or Hispanic Women.

Is that racist ?

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 8:40:49 PM   
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Klansmen were most often powerless people who resorted to the scapegoating of blacks to feel like they were somebody. The powerless need racism more than the powerful.


Very astute. Good point.


They were hanging judges and later Blacks. That does not sound powerless to me.

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RE: Milwaukee Burning - 8/19/2016 8:51:21 PM   
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Vince history is to learn from... not to be tied to with a ball and chain. I am responsible for my actions today not for my great great grandfathers actions in the past. There is a course to follow for the African Americans still suffering from past racism... Education... not police cameras.

Butch

I guess you gotta walk in their shoes, Butch.

Black Americans killed by police twice as likely to be unarmed as white people


Because they can't buy a gun because they got a criminal record. So they work out and get tough, and the cops know it. And I know it. I study electronics and physics and they pump iron. Therefore I pump lead.

I am not justifying all this but facts are facts. Anyone with the balls to invade my space is subject to execution, no matter the color. Cops deal with people all the time and probably have a better idea what to expect. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

They do need to stop shooting people though, seems they need better physical training. Every time you hear of cops beating someone up it is the suspect is on the ground, handcuffed behind the back and five cops are kicking him. I want to see these supposedly physically train officer in a hand to hand combat with one tough motherfucker who can fight back. I know someone who beat the shit out of a cop and took his gun. This guy is only 5'3" or so and never had any physical or martial arts training.

I also want to know why some disgruntled Muslim can walk into a military base and kill a bunch of our troops without getting his head blown of right then and there.

The government is not as tough as they want you to think.

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