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ORIGINAL: Noah
Another possibility is that it can be a consensual effort at emotional support between, you know, kinky grownups. 
I advocated not throwing the unmentionable out with the bathwater. Are you down with that?

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ORIGINAL: stanton

"""I am totally cool if your kink is to consensually grind your heel on any show of weakness and call it tough love."""  Yowza!

OP: This still running on?  Feel for you, man. Are you sure you aren't a ref shouting OUT! before the batter even gets to the plate?

Just cause one or two wern't your style- maybe you are too quick to label? Shit, you'd scare me into diapers.... [&:]

Lots of laughs  

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ORIGINAL: peta
I am an adult, if I need to be punished I am doing something wrong. 

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I strongly believe that some submissive women/men seek out negative attention from their Dom/Master because they enjoy the drama and the punishment.

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Hell if I want a good beating I will ask for one and hope it is in His mind that day to give one to me.  If I need a shoulder to cry on I can ask Him for that also.  When the slave/sub concentrates on their submission isn't it supposed to be that we thrive to please Him/Her? 

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I don't get the need for punishment, also believe that the word 'correction' is just another word for the exact same thing.  D/s, M/s, BDSM is all consensual......grow up and be responsible for your own actions.

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ORIGINAL: eroticangel
it wasn't what He said or how He said it...it was how YOU took it...i find it to be a oerfectly normal thread and a perfectly normal request..

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich
      "If we are so superior, what are we doing working here?"   Randal to Dante, Clerks.

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 I was showing that punishment can be a lot of things to a lot of people. One possibility is that it can be evidence of a fucked-up unrecognized topping-from-the-bottom manipulation. Another possibility is that it can be more damn trouble than it is worth to the top. Another possibility is that it can be a consensual effort at emotional support between, you know, kinky grownups.

I advocated not throwing the unmentionable out with the bathwater. Are you down with that?

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ORIGINAL: Caretakr


Yes........I want compliance. Not denial.

This is going to sound like whining, but here it is. I have had a FEW subs like this, in the past. My bad, after number one, that I did two and three. The nuances were intially difficult to spot.

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All ended about the same-I was expected to do the shit work.

Considering that they locked and bolted the door to the chamber pot-I was not even allowed to get my hands dirty-much less empty the commode.

The flush must be done from the INSIDE.

I can talk about shit till my lips fall off, but the sub's gotta be the one to push it out.[:D]

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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There is alot of possible "Motivations" to a given "Behavior"... One person's Behavior thou similiar to another can be motivated for completley different reasons.  We are not only different and unique in our behaviors but in our Motivations as well. 

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There is alot of possible "Motivations" to a given "Behavior"... One person's Behavior thou similiar to another can be motivated for completley different reasons.  We are not only different and unique in our behaviors but in our Motivations as well. 

Hey Caretakr. I think we have the Second Prize Winner here. Any lingerie left?

Thanks Knight.

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ORIGINAL: catize
Yes I understand different dynamics make the world go 'round, and all that.  I was just so very pleased to read the OP, because I do not believe that 'dominant' equates to 'therapist'.  If I need 'fixed', I'll shell out the co-pay to get professional help, then come home and respectfully request a thorough whippin'. 

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ORIGINAL: Noah

Where I come from everybody needs fixed, but we say "to be fixed" cause we aren't some kind of listless hillbillies.

Actually we have several lists and each one belongs to someone who isn't perfect yet.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Noah, your posts get better every day.. I swear they do.

Oh. So they used to suck that bad, did they? Is that what you're saying?

Harpy!

I and several members of my fan club like your stuff too. And that one guy whose napkins I heard you are in charge of folding.... I don't want to spread any false rumors or true ones so I won't mention any names but if the rumors are true tell him he's a breath of fresh air sometimes too.

HEY! SOMEBODY CUE THE FUCKING KUMBAYA MUSIC! NOW!

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ORIGINAL: peta
I am an adult, if I need to be punished I am doing something wrong. 

Priceless!

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I strongly believe that some submissive women/men seek out negative attention from their Dom/Master because they enjoy the drama and the punishment.

I agree completely

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Hell if I want a good beating I will ask for one and hope it is in His mind that day to give one to me.  If I need a shoulder to cry on I can ask Him for that also.  When the slave/sub concentrates on their submission isn't it supposed to be that we thrive to please Him/Her? 

Lots of good sensible talk here.

... and then you go right off the rails:

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I don't get the need for punishment, also believe that the word 'correction' is just another word for the exact same thing.  D/s, M/s, BDSM is all consensual......grow up and be responsible for your own actions.

This part starts out fine.

You

don't

get it.

And that's okay. I don't get a lot of stuff either.

But despite the fact that you admit that you don't understand this dynamic you go on to indicate that it indicates immaturity irreesponsibility and people would be better off if they didn't do it. If they "grow up" instead.

Which may very well be true in some cases but is utter bullshit in others and so shouldn't be made as a blanket statement.

Yeah?

I don't get golf. Chase a little pill around an open field after throwing large sums of money at sticks. Sounds pretty immature, or something. But the fact is that golf MEANS things to other people that it doesn't mean to me. Until I have access to their perceived meanings I'm nothing but a blowhard asshole to sit here and say anyone who wants consensual golf in an adult realtionship is immature or irresponsible.

You say you don't understand the need for punishment. I believe you. You probably don't have the need for punishment. That's great. Neither do I. Neither do the people I punish. It isn't a matter of need. We do what we want.

You don't understand the need for punishment. That's cool. That's great. Why in the world do you find it worthwhile to sit there and call people who do understand it immature? How mature is that?

I mean I personally am terribly immature but it is kinda lazy to generalize so carelessly, don't you think?

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 Where I come from everybody needs fixed, but we say "to be fixed" cause we aren't some kind of listless hillbillies. 

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ORIGINAL: Noah

You don't understand the need for punishment. That's cool. That's great. Why in the world do you find it worthwhile to sit there and call people who do understand it immature? How mature is that?