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Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/26/2016 9:58:17 AM

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Adding to the mounting evidence of the failure of the so-called 'War on Drugs', a UK undercover cop's experiences infiltrating the drug scene persuaded him that it was all a tragic waste of time and resources, with very damaging consequences for drug users and no hope of success.

"[Woods] cites a global study, conducted by the coalition government, of the impact that punitive drug policies have had on drug use. Its unambiguous conclusion, he says, was that “however harsh your measures – the death penalty, 20 years in prison – they have no impact on drug use”. Instead of wasting our time trying to reduce drug use, argues Woods, “drug policy should be about reducing not drug use, but drug harm.

The drug policy Woods wants is both simple and radical. Heroin should be prescribed by doctors to addicts, and every other drug sold under strictly regulated conditions. Even crack? “I went into the police believing that message, ‘One smoke of crack and you’re addicted for life.’ I remember seeing Nancy Reagan on TV saying that, and it’s literally a load of crap. There is no evidential basis in that statement at all.” Contrary to drug war propaganda, he says, only a small minority of drug users ever develop a problem, regardless of which substance they take. Across the board, the figure is roughly 10% – the same percentage of gamblers who become problematic, interestingly – the only exception being heroin, where it is 25%.”.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/26/neil-woods-undercover-cop-who-abandoned-the-war-on-drugs

More and more enforcers of the redundant policy of prohibition are coming out against it, saying it has failed and failed irredeemably. Yet still our Govts who are perfectly aware of this, decline to act. It really is time to abandon the failed policy of prohibition and start regarding personal drug use as a personal health issue, not a criminal or legal problem.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/26/2016 10:06:22 AM

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Any attempt at prohibition will fail without the active support of the populace.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/26/2016 10:13:59 AM

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Who cares about efficacy when we are talking about a MORAL problem.

Ya see, drug and alcohol use is immoral. So we MUST fight against it.

For some odd reason there persists this belief that human nature is malleable.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/26/2016 1:41:17 PM

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drug and alcohol use is immoral. So we MUST fight against it.

And yet the use of some drugs is actively promoted.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/26/2016 5:47:03 PM

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quote:

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drug and alcohol use is immoral. So we MUST fight against it.

And yet the use of some drugs is actively promoted.

But these are bad drugs that bad people use. Ya know, the immoral ones.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/26/2016 10:32:48 PM

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I am not a member or adherent to any moral system that places itself above an individual's right to choose what drugs they ingest. The notion that the war on drugs or current drug policy is morally mandated or driven is as silly as the war on drugs itself.

If you see this issue in moral terms that's fine for you personally but please don't force your narrow ideas of morality on the rest of society. Many of us have very different understandings of 'morality'.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/26/2016 11:11:59 PM

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Who is 'WE' ?
Why MUST we fight against immoral drugs ?
Which drugs are the immoral ones ?

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 5:45:36 AM

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They make more money the way it is.

They know and I know that prescription drugs kill more people than illegal drugs. And they know, but they make more money this way.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 6:12:53 AM

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Ya see, drug and alcohol use is immoral.

Do you have a rational argument to support that? Besides "It just is".

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 6:15:28 AM

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Any attempt at prohibition will fail without the active support of the populace.

And sadly, any attempt to repeal prohibition will fail if there is a strategically significant block of voters who oppose it.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 6:17:54 AM

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Who is 'WE' ?
Why MUST we fight against immoral drugs ?
Which drugs are the immoral ones ?

My vote is for the communion wine... I'd agree that is immoral. Symbolic cannibalism and all that.

(or if you are Catholic, literal cannibalism)

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 8:41:47 AM

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Who cares about efficacy when we are talking about a MORAL problem.

Ya see, drug and alcohol use is immoral. So we MUST fight against it.

For some odd reason there persists this belief that human nature is malleable.

Human nature is malleable. It is only the human among all animals who can kill themselves. Human nature can be conditioned through hypnosis and brainwashing. To suggest what you are, is to say that an addictive personality or predisposition...is human nature. So again we get back to abuse which derives from the addiction.

As for drugs, it is not the use that is even possibly immoral, it is the abuse and especially among legally prescribed drugs. Then one must consider the morality of 100,000 to 150,000 people (depending on who one reads) dying every year form mis-prescribed or conflict in pharmaceuticals.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 8:46:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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drug and alcohol use is immoral. So we MUST fight against it.

And yet the use of some drugs is actively promoted.

But these are bad drugs that bad people use. Ya know, the immoral ones.

Is it not rather the immorality found in the promotion of addictive drugs legally, as a multi-billion$ profit center ? Is it immoral to use pot as a now proven to be a medical and mental therapy.

The same things you are saying, were said about morphine. The US jailed 40,000 doctors for using it. How about now ?

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 10:43:37 AM

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Most of the anti-drug hysteria over the last best part of a century is down to Feds who were doing well out of the Volstead Act looking for something else to secure their job over when prohibition was repealed after it emerged that banning booze was killing more people than selling it legally had ever managed.
(A lot of former bootleggers and rum runners moved into narcotics instead for much the same reason at much the same time, too.)

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 10:43:53 AM

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Am I the only person who thought Aylees comment was sarcasm?

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 10:46:21 AM

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Am I the only person who thought Aylees comment was sarcasm?

I did, too! Another failure of the sarcasm font?!!!

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 10:53:08 AM

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Am I the only person who thought Aylees comment was sarcasm?

No, you're not. For me, it's exactly because governments have wanted to look as moral as the Pope that their drug policies have kept on failing. In the UK they've kept on giving the line that 'being soft on drugs will send out the wrong message' - as though anybody but curtain-twitching Mail readers even believes that anybody takes any notice of the government's 'message' when it comes to drugs. Government policy on drugs here has been an irrational policy designed to appeal to an irrational belief amongst a certain section of the electorate for far too long.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 10:55:37 AM

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We do not have the death penalty in the UK - sure we may burn a few witches when the mood take us.
Nor do we jail drug users for 20 years.
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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 11:57:31 AM

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Am I the only person who thought Aylees comment was sarcasm?

I HOPE it was.

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RE: Undercover cop abandons 'war on drugs' - 8/27/2016 12:15:11 PM

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Most of the anti-drug hysteria over the last best part of a century is down to Feds who were doing well out of the Volstead Act l

Our President Richard Nixon declared "The War on Drugs" during his brief tenure in the early 70s. The claim has been made (recently denied by his chief aide Erlichman) that Nixon (would you buy a used car from this man?) created the monster as a way to covertly attack his 'enemies' ~ blacks (reputed heroin and crack (?) users) and the anti-Vietnam war community (reputed users of marijuana and LSD)

Aylee should have used the sarcasm emot.

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