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'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo Kids... - 9/3/2016 7:40:01 PM   
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-02/german-cuckoo-kids-law-punishes-women/7805370

Laws to protect men from paying child support for children that aren't theirs is now "slut shaming" and "punishing women".

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/3/2016 7:53:53 PM   
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For God's sake, Nicky. I've had ICU roommates who whined less than you do.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/3/2016 8:17:59 PM   
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First of all, that is Germany and they are a little weird. Ever work on a Porsche ?

Anyway, it seems you are bitching about the article, not the law. There is a point there, the media is really so fucking liberal today it is not worth watching. I don't remember, but IIRC you are not in the US. In the US they do DNA testing, and a Man can also demand it. The laws were different when I was young. Here, if you slept with your Wife after suspecting the kid is not yours, the kid is yours under the law, even if it is stark raving obvious that the kid is not yours, like obviously of another race or whatever. Not sure what happened after that though, back then all they had to go by was physical features and blood type. They were not about to d tissue matching like they would for a transplant, and even that could not DISPROVE Fatherhood. The Man was at a disadvantage then, and actually is now. I know a Man whose Wife was on drugs, unfit and all that and he worked and raised the kid and he was supposed to get child support. He calls the hotline one day seeing it on TV or whatever and they answer, probably a recording, something about "Deadbeat Dads". This guy is one to make a stink and he got them of of that bullshit, said "I got a deadbeat Mom here, what do I do ?". (this guy went into a McD's when they were advertising salads and said "Can we toss one for you ?". He said no tomatoes and somehow it came out that they were going to take the tomatoes out. He said "It says can we toss one for you, go toss me one because if I swallow a tomato seed you are going to court". (that's the kind of people I know) There are people who are allergic.

There is no way in hell any Man should have to pay for someone else's kids. Germany has the means to do DNA tests, in fact I am pretty sure they build at least some parts of the machines that do it. They got no excuse. But realize that this criticism of fairness is a liberal trait, and after losing WW2 they got real liberal. The real Germans are gone, especially from the government.

We are just hanging on barely here dude. As people go broke they do not realize that the liberals are who make them broke so they are probably going to elect Clinton and we will have more shit in the middle east that we cannot afford. They tell you how rich this country is, well let me ask you this, do you have to put your bills on a fucking credit card ? Trump is really not the best choice to say the least. But he wants to make nice with Putin, which is a very good idea being that they are just about the only country that could destroy us. That means he will have to be nice with Iran, which means he will be less nice with Israel. It might mean nothing, but at least Israel will not get away with MORE shit than they're doing. I also want to see federal law supersede the law they passed in New Jersey prohibiting public investment with any entity that practices BDS. Those are public pensions, the ones who make those decisions should be left alone.

You want to talk unfairness, talk Israel and Palestine. Talk USSR and Ukraine. Some of them say about Putin "he is one of them" and no not believe there has been a paradigm change. So they hold a grudge and hate Russia. But the country is half Russian. and they were a bit favored before the axis powers led insurrection. Now they are discriminated against like all hell. But that's OK, just like the war on the White Man.

But I got one thing to say, we gave the others those rights and as such, as distasteful of a prospect it is, we can take them back. Don't fucking push us too far.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/3/2016 9:48:16 PM   
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Do I understand the clear implication that there is child support due without a paternity test ? Seems in most countries, the test and paternity...is required.

This of course has nothing whatever to do with the so-called 'liberal press' as it is the evangelical right that is the first to scorn the lack of support for a child and should champion any search for paternalism.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/3/2016 10:20:40 PM   
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That is how I got it MrR. That Men who are NOT the Father are bitching about paying for the kid, that the media is picking on the Man for it.

They could have some strange family laws there. Remember I said about at least in Ohio if you sleep with your Wife after you register suspicion that the kid is not yours, under the law the kid is yours. As far as I know that was many years ago and passed on. But really, it could still be true. Imagine some broad you fucked when you were in high school sues you for a hundred grand in child support when you are like 60 years old. The US is not the only country with fucked up laws. This is why I advocate that all laws expire after so many years and these legislators have to legislate or they are not doing their job. What's more, it is less paperwork and they get to modify the law to suit the contemporary situation. I believe the founders of the US never intended for there to be hundreds of bills every month or whatever, I think they meant that they act when action is needed.

Anyway, all of this, we do not know the origin or the age of any German law on the subject. We do have an opinion piece that is really fucked up. You have to pay for other people's kids ? I don't know the law up there, but in the US this is not something to be taken lightly. Friend of mine JUST got a job driving a truck, CDL and all that and the child support people suspended his license, after all the tests and fees and all that shit he couldn't even drive a car. He called them up and asked where should he turn himself in, to what jail and he will just sit there and they get nothing anyway. They actually lifted it and he wet to work and got it all straightened out. But that was discretional, they should not have that power. And they should not have the right to pull your driver's license for anything but what you do driving. that is like saying if you cheat on your taxes you go to jail for rape. Well it ain't but it makes just about as much sense.

And getting back to the OP, these cunt should not be having kids not married. It takes two. It really does. Otherwise the kids are in daycare learning nothing you want them to learn and everything you do not. Chis Rock, one hell of a good comedian but also had a message said "They say 'I don't need no Man to raise my kids', yeah sure, you can drive a car with your feet but that doesn't make it a good idea". He is the one who got on Oprah for using the Nword profusely in "Feel The Pain". If you haven't seen it, make it a point to. And he is not some kind of neo-conman or teabagger at all.

Enough digression. Things are not what they seem so keep your eyes peeled for any discrepancies.

About the German situation, I am surprised they have not elected Nazis lately. Austria said they would. Well 40 % of them. (a poll about five years ago) But then who controls the political parties controls who the candidates are. GHW Bush was right, they do hate our freedom ad democracy. Under US freedom and democracy you get your choice to vote for the devil or the devil. And these people don't see why they hate us. They must work real hard to keep certain people off the ballot in Germany, because I am sure those people are fucking sick of it. And one day, it will blow up in the PTB's ace. It is only a matter of time. Pull in some more "refugees" to rape your eight year old daughter. how long do you think Germans wil put up with that shit ? They hate Merkel, half of their MP are there because they can't get anyone who represents them on the ballot. Sound familiar ?

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/3/2016 10:23:41 PM   
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I know it seems I contradicted myself in the second paragraph, but give that some thought.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/3/2016 10:36:59 PM   
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quote:

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-02/german-cuckoo-kids-law-punishes-women/7805370

Laws to protect men from paying child support for children that aren't theirs is now "slut shaming" and "punishing women".

According to the hyperbolic opinion you cited:

in legislative slut-shaming not seen since Hester Prynne was required to take to the stocks with the scarlet letter 'A' emblazoned on her dress (Prynne was the protagonist in Nathaniel Hawthorne's tale of an adulterous relationship leading to an illegitimate child), this week the German Justice Minster sought cabinet approval for a bill that would force women to divulge past sexual partners.

Not all of them, which is a small mercy, just those who she slept with around the time she conceived. This request can be made by a man who is paying child support — and clearly uncertain about his need to do so.

Well maybe, but there is no link to the law. Does it really say that? And what could that possibly prove? Even if she were to confess sleeping with half-a-dozen men outside her marriage, that still wouldn't be evidence that any of them fathered the child in question. Somehow I don't think we're getting the whole story here.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/3/2016 11:41:00 PM   
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Yeah, and the are not ignorant of DNA testing. If they are we should send Maury Povich over there.

I used to be exposed to that at work, I had no choice. After a while I determined you did not have to hear "You are the Father" or "You are not the Father", all you had to do is look at the people. If she runs away he is not. If she gets up in his face and starts yelling he is. And if he starts doing a dance after "you are NOT the Father", that means that after like 240 tests she drug him out of the woodwork and tried to fuck up his life. Cool that she does it on national TV.

You know, Germany could have some cuddly laws. Like if you stick around it doesn't matter because that kid sees you as a Father. I don't know what to think about that. If he has always been known as the kid's Father it is a good idea not to change that. But to force him to do it is not a good idea. This is one of those things where if their heart isn't in it you don't want them to do it. I would raise other guy's kids, but not pay the bills, at least not all of it.

Germany is a different place. Run by a strange set of characters since the wall came down. They have again become prosperous. You know they are still exporting alot, but the jobs are not much hours a week. They simply are that productive. The fact that they are productive and somewhat prosperous today indicates that they kept up on it, taught their kids well, have a work ethic.

But in other ways they might be slugs. Superultraliberals who want to let in people to rape their eight year olds. But on further reflection, it seems that mainly the governments want that.

What do you want ? Them coming in and RENTING houses around where you BOUGHT a house and complaining about your cookout and your music DURING THE DAY and getting city council to pass laws that you cannot have any music that can be heard outside because it might offend them ? And to make your kids ON YOUR PROPERTY to wear burlkinis going in to YOUR swimming pool because it offends them.

I'll take the Hispanics ANY FUCKING DAY. And believe me I do support the Palestinians because I have seen that they got fucked over and should get cut some slack, that the Israelis should stop fucking with them, but I got no love for Islam or any other religion. They are all bullshit, end of story.

I think Germans are largely Lutheran, which is less illogical than Catholic.

I think that they, like us, should have abortomats on every corner. But we don't.

The world is never going to conform to what I think it should. now if the US government would think that way we would be so much better off..

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/4/2016 7:34:00 AM   
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Oh my how misinformed could one get - and first of all I mean the author of that article, and then of course you, rm - both having absolutely no clue

to sum it up here 2 links to articles about this draft (not yet a law, far from it)

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/kuckuckskinder-muetter-sollen-zur-auskunft-ueber-sexualpartner-verpflichtet-werden-a-1109927.html

here the article about the Federal constitional court decision (2015) that no mother can be forced to reveal a biological fathers name, and since this is binding that draft will never become a law ...

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/bundesverfassungsgericht-zu-kuckuckskindern-mutter-muss-namen-von-erzeuger-nicht-nennen-a-1024143.html


so this discussion is a typical summer no news hoax


even Australia should be able to afford some foreign correspondents who can read and understand German ...

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/4/2016 8:16:59 AM   
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Wicked is patient zero slut wise - but I like my women of equal value

Is long on the record of having no kids he may want 1-2 in his lifetime but he grows old and his cat collection numerous

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/4/2016 8:21:40 AM   
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even Australia should be able to afford some foreign correspondents who can read and understand German ...

I think the Australians aren't allowing any further Germans into the country after the dozen master brewers they imported in the nineteenth century died laughing after trying some of that Fosters swill.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 4:33:02 AM   
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even Australia should be able to afford some foreign correspondents who can read and understand German ...

I think the Australians aren't allowing any further Germans into the country after the dozen master brewers they imported in the nineteenth century died laughing after trying some of that Fosters swill.



Germany is welcoming Australians even to study beer-brewing at Weihenstephan university - so there is still hope

We did successfully with some Americans in the past - too bad for the USA these did not want to go back any more

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 4:52:44 AM   
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That would have been an interesting class to watch.
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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:03:41 AM   
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-02/german-cuckoo-kids-law-punishes-women/7805370

Laws to protect men from paying child support for children that aren't theirs is now "slut shaming" and "punishing women".


This would not be a problem if mandatory paternity testing was conducted at birth. The only reason any woman would oppose this is the hope she can get away with lying to a sap to get him to pay child support.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:06:43 AM   
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Fosters is to Australia, as American beer is to Canadians.. Shite

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:11:56 AM   
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It would be awesome if some fathers took their responsibility for their childrens upbringing as seriously as they do their wallets.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:15:13 AM   
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Yes, yes Lucy, we know you hate men. In your world men are supposed to be responsible whereas women are not. A man has to pay but the woman can get off scot free.

How about women start taking some goddamned responsibility for a change. Christ, the irony is palpable.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:27:21 AM   
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yeah, Im married to the father of my three kids, after 31 years together...I have two sons..and .And Ive met some remarkable men in my life... I like most men a great deal.
Responsibility? LOLOLOLOLOLOL hahahahhahahhah ooooooooh boy
I have zero issue with women paying child support, please, like all your other insults and assumptions, you are going to have to show me where I have not been in favour of financial support. As I said, Im not talking about money, so chuck your vomit elsewhere.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:37:29 AM   
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yeah, Im married to the father of my three kids, after 31 years together...I have two sons..and .And Ive met some remarkable men in my life... I like most men a great deal.
Responsibility? LOLOLOLOLOLOL hahahahhahahhah ooooooooh boy
I have zero issue with women paying child support, please, like all your other insults and assumptions, you are going to have to show me where I have not been in favour of financial support. As I said, Im not talking about money, so chuck your vomit elsewhere.

Ye Gods, the dishonesty of you rabid man-haters is astonishing.

When a man fucks a woman, if she becomes pregnant he has ZERO in the way of options.

In contrast, the woman can:

A) Murder the child
B) Put it up for adoption
C) Disclaim all responsibility for the child and have it taken off her hands.

None of these options exist for men and yet you have the fucking gall to claim MEN should take responsibility. Thus continuing the ongoing narrative that - despite claiming that women want equality with men - only men have agency whereas women are just poor helpless little victims (except when it suits them).

Feminist hypocrisy at its finest.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:42:59 AM   
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again, quit putting words in my mouth, dipshit
my post clearly stated
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It would be awesome if some fathers took their responsibility for their childrens upbringing as seriously as they do their wallets.

Not pregnancy or abortion or adoption.
Their actual children...AFTER they are born.
you wanna rant about pregnancy and responsibility before birth, you go right ahead flap your anus like the moron you are, but dont project onto me.


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