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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:46:04 AM   
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again, quit putting words in my mouth, dipshit
my post clearly stated
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It would be awesome if some fathers took their responsibility for their childrens upbringing as seriously as they do their wallets.

Not pregnancy or abortion or adoption.
Their actual children...AFTER they are born.
you wanna rant about pregnancy and responsibility before birth, you go right ahead flap your anus like the moron you are, but dont project onto me.

A woman has 3 ways to avoid her personal responsibility for a child. A man has none. Therefore any woman whining about personal responsibility for men is a fucking hypocrite. Once again: Men have responsibilities, women have options. And misandrists like yourself are terrified of any measure to change that.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 7:59:08 AM   
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Nothing in your response had anything to do with my my post.... you cant argue that point, well, theres a shame.



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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 8:05:55 AM   
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Nothing in your response had anything to do with my my post.... you cant argue that point, well, theres a shame.


No, your hypocrisy is just so blind you actually think you had a point.

Put it another way - why should a man have ANY responsibility for a child he doesn't want?

If a woman doesn't want a child she murders it and then babbles on about how empowering her abortion was.

Or she can just dump it on the state.

YOU have no obligations to be responsible. None. Zero. Therefore you have absolutely no moral or ethical right to attempt to police men's behaviour and tell them what their responsibilities are. Responsibilities YOU WILL NOT ASSUME YOURSELF.

Again. Hypocrisy.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 8:34:41 AM   
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A woman has 3 ways to avoid her personal responsibility for a child. A man has none. Therefore any woman whining about personal responsibility for men is a fucking hypocrite.


So men have no way to avoid responsibility for a child? Really! You do mean that your limited self centred imagination is incapable of conceiving any way of avoiding responsibility for a child. Abstinence is one way. Wearing protection is another way of avoiding responsibility. Agreeing what to do about the potential consequences before sex is another. I could go on but I am sure most people get the picture.

This is not about children or pregnancies but about the power to decide. And you being the pig headed idiot that you are cannot bear it that women control reproduction. The thought of women having and exercising that power appals you. When men can become pregnant they will have the same power to decide the outcomes of pregnancies. Until then you have no option but to suffer your powerlessness in this area - preferably quietly please.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 9:05:00 AM   
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I agree with Lucy, that SOME men need to take more responsibility for the upbringing of their scions, and worry less about their wallets.

I also agree with Awareness that men have no choice in the end of a pregnancy (abortion or birth), which is unfair. If a woman doesn't want the pregnancy to come to term, she can choose to abort it. If she wants it to come to term, she can have it. In neither situation does the man's wants have any bearing.

If she wants to have the child and put it up for adoption, I don't know if the man has "first dibs" on the child, or if it goes up for adoption. He may have a little choice there.

I partially agree with tweaks, too. If a man doesn't want a woman to get pregnant, he can either not stick his willy in her hoo-haw, wrap his Whopper, or have some other system to prevent pregnancy. I only partially agree because it's not just up to the man for that. It's up to both the man and the woman. It's up to both to decide - beforehand - how they will try to prevent a pregnancy, and what happens if their attempts fail. That needs to be done beforehand so that they can decide if they want to risk having sex.

Now, what can be patently unfair, however, is if both the man and the woman agree on a prevention method and that the pregnancy will be aborted if their method fails, they have sex, their method fails and she gets pregnant, she an still decide to have and keep the baby, with the man being on the hook financially. I do believe that is wrong and unfair to men, but there would have to be some signed agreement between the man and the woman before sex, to prove his case.

Let's say both the man and woman (who are not married to each other) were whoring themselves out (not that it matters if he's whoring himself out if she gets pregnant; his sleeping with however many other women isn't going to prevent or improve his ability to get one woman pregnant), if it's not actually his biological kid, why should he bear the financial (or upbringing) responsibility of that kid?

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 9:56:08 AM   
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A man has none.... Once again: Men have responsibilities, women have options.

What a load of crap. Men have plenty of options, unless you are contending that men as a whole are powerless in making choices and in being efficacious.
First of all, they have the option to keep their trousers zipped up. They can also opt to get a reversible-procedure vasectomy, if the prospect of paternity presents such a horror to their lone stag sensibilities.
(The human race has known since the Stone Ages that babies are fathered by the potency of a man's seed, unless he is among the few that shoot blanks.)
Just because modern-day Nancy boys do not fear having to undergo a shotgun wedding, does not mean the man should get off scot free without so much as a stretch mark, scar, invasive surgical procedure, or undergoing excruciating labor pains, as a badge of his masculine courage.

Do you truly believe that men are powerless in influencing a woman's procreative decisions, whether it is to affirm or to thwart her nesting instincts?
... That men have not applied pressure on a woman to get an abortion that she did not want to have,
or to give up a child for adoption when she had no support system in place -- no viable option to raise a child on her own

... That men have not promised to "take care" of the woman during her pregnancy and then help to raise their child together

... That droves of men have not historically deserted their families by being emotionally if not physically absent, squandered away vital financial resources, run off to seek fame and fortune by land or by sea, gone footloose and fancy free as they started up new families in other lands

... That men can even now in this day & age get away with working under the table and not only pay little to no child support, but any disability benefits they are collecting cannot be touched.
They spite their children even further by denying them higher Social Security benefits because they have shirked contributing their fair share into the system to raise the amount of any survivor benefits the minor child would have been entitled to per taxable declared income.

Face it, parenting is a shared responsibility. You must not have been raised by a single working mother who gladly took on the responsibility of caring for you and your siblings, making whatever sacrifices were necessary to provide you with the best possible life she could, food on the table, a roof over your head, decent clothes to wear, shoes on your feet.

There are crime statistics which flag the most dangerous time for a woman to become the victim (the survivor, if she survives) of domestic abuse and homicide at the hands of her male partner is during pregnancy.
Ostensibly in the case of an unwanted pregnancy (by the boyfriend or husband), compounded by her vulnerable physical state when she is in the least unassailable condition of being able to protect or defend herself.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 1:52:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AwarenessThis would not be a problem if mandatory paternity testing was conducted at birth. The only reason any woman would oppose this is the hope she can get away with lying to a sap to get him to pay child support.



As usual only half if ever informed about rights.

"mandatory paternity testing" ... means taking DNA sample of a newborn child - by whose right? The child's? Can the child agree or disagree? I'd recommend the child to get a lawyer immediaty at birth to assure its corporeal safeguarding.

after the child's DNA sample taken and processed it needs comparison to
1) the mother's - taken by force too??
2) the father's - who if unknown? a mass screening perhaps?

little dictator Bigmouth Nobrain's way of handling things

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 3:06:52 PM   
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Nothing in your response had anything to do with my my post.... you cant argue that point, well, theres a shame.


No, your hypocrisy is just so blind you actually think you had a point.

Put it another way - why should a man have ANY responsibility for a child he doesn't want?

If a woman doesn't want a child she murders it and then babbles on about how empowering her abortion was.

Or she can just dump it on the state.

YOU have no obligations to be responsible. None. Zero. Therefore you have absolutely no moral or ethical right to attempt to police men's behaviour and tell them what their responsibilities are. Responsibilities YOU WILL NOT ASSUME YOURSELF.

Again. Hypocrisy.



Again Utter Bullshit, you know nothing about it, obviously.
keep your dick zipped or have the snip if you dont want kids, Like I did.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 3:26:15 PM   
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yeah, Im married to the father of my three kids, after 31 years together...I have two sons..and .And Ive met some remarkable men in my life... I like most men a great deal.
Responsibility? LOLOLOLOLOLOL hahahahhahahhah ooooooooh boy
I have zero issue with women paying child support, please, like all your other insults and assumptions, you are going to have to show me where I have not been in favour of financial support. As I said, Im not talking about money, so chuck your vomit elsewhere.

Ye Gods, the dishonesty of you rabid man-haters is astonishing.

When a man fucks a woman, if she becomes pregnant he has ZERO in the way of options.

In contrast, the woman can:

A) Murder the child
B) Put it up for adoption
C) Disclaim all responsibility for the child and have it taken off her hands.

None of these options exist for men and yet you have the fucking gall to claim MEN should take responsibility. Thus continuing the ongoing narrative that - despite claiming that women want equality with men - only men have agency whereas women are just poor helpless little victims (except when it suits them).

Feminist hypocrisy at its finest.



He is ABSOLUTELY right on this. I can't force you to have an abortion but you can take my driver's license if I don't give you money for whatever, like drugs or something.

And Women do abuse it. Skinny little kids, starving while she does crack with her new boyfriend.

Not saying they all do it but they are allowed to by law apparently.

I am starting to think that everyone should be sterilized at birth and then have to pay ten grand to get it undone if they really want kids.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 3:37:20 PM   
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and you are as much of a complete ignoramus as he is.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 3:45:36 PM   
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and you are as much of a complete ignoramus as he is.


Point out the inaccuracies if you would please. That is EXACTLY the way it is here.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/5/2016 10:56:15 PM   
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When a man fucks a woman, if she becomes pregnant he has ZERO in the way of options.

In contrast, the woman can:

A) Murder the child
B) Put it up for adoption
C) Disclaim all responsibility for the child and have it taken off her hands.

None of these options exist for men and yet you have the fucking gall to claim MEN should take responsibility.

I disagree that this is hypocritical because of biological functions. Women carries the child for 9 months. The man does shit!
It's an invasive alien in her body put there by the man's sperm. So of course she gets full rights on what to do with her body and the alien invasion inside it caused by the man's ejaculation into her. He has a choice not to cum inside her or use protection right?

I think it's fair that if the woman chooses not to kill the alien object, the man has to help out.

By the logic that he put it there to inconvenience her life. Abortion is traumatic. Child birth is Traumatic too. Either way she is heavily affected by it!

So to me, yea, if you put your sperm into a woman willingly. You gotta be on stand by to accept her decision, and if that decision means she wants to keep it, you gotta be on stand by to help out as you helped put it in there!

I don't really see any hypocritical or double standards to it. And there is such a simple solution.

Get a Vasectomy.

But I also agree paternity tests should be compulsory. At the very least, because if it's not his, then he shouldn't be responsible.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 1:49:56 AM   
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I had the same type of discussion with Lucy a long time ago.

Feminists only want equality when it suits them as it seems. Feminists are persistent about men giving up their privileges while they never want to give up their own.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 7:11:16 AM   
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So men have no way to avoid responsibility for a child? Really! You do mean that your limited self centred imagination is incapable of conceiving any way of avoiding responsibility for a child. Abstinence is one way. Wearing protection is another way of avoiding responsibility. Agreeing what to do about the potential consequences before sex is another. I could go on but I am sure most people get the picture.
Yes, most people get the picture. For a rabid man-hating piece of shit like yourself, men are condemned to assume a responsibility they don't want just because they want to have sex.

Again, you don't get to define men's responsibilities since - not only do you have none yourself - but you oppose the very idea that women should be held responsible for their actions.


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This is not about children or pregnancies but about the power to decide. And you being the pig headed idiot that you are cannot bear it that women control reproduction.
So you think women deserve the power to decide because you're a gynocentric hater of penis who thinks men's only purpose in life is to act as a support system for any lazy bitch who wants to get pregnant.

Here's a clue, you rabid, mentally ill nutcase - your claims of equality fall flat when you consistently advocate for women to enjoy extra privileges without extra responsibilities. How about this idea: Women are held responsible for their own children without the expectation that they can leach off a man like some kind of parasite.

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The thought of women having and exercising that power appals you.
It's 'appalls', you illiterate, inbred hick. And if you had even a modicum of intelligence, you'd be able to think about an issue like this rationally, instead of waving the vagina flag. If women want to be treated as equals to men, then they need to accept the same responsibilities as men. Any woman who claims to be a feminist, yet advocates for women to fail to be held responsible for their actions is - by Peon's own definition - not a feminist.

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When men can become pregnant they will have the same power to decide the outcomes of pregnancies. Until then you have no option but to suffer your powerlessness in this area - preferably quietly please.
Oh no. I think you'll find that all your shouting about equality is going to come back to bite you in the ass. Your desire to get pregnant and have men pay for you is becoming increasingly untenable.

Don't worry luv, you'll soon have the equality you keep screaming about - it's called responsibility, and boy are you going to whine about it when that happens. I can't wait.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 7:31:19 AM   
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A man has none.... Once again: Men have responsibilities, women have options.

What a load of crap. Men have plenty of options, unless you are contending that men as a whole are powerless in making choices and in being efficacious.
First of all, they have the option to keep their trousers zipped up.
BZZZZTTTT. Men should not have to become monks to avoid children. As a woman, you can just murder the child when pregnancy becomes inconvenient, so how dare you tell men they don't deserve sex if they don't want to become fathers. You hypocritical piece of shit.

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They can also opt to get a reversible-procedure vasectomy, if the prospect of paternity presents such a horror to their lone stag sensibilities.
BZZZT! Again, hypocrisy. As a woman, you can use abortion as a contraceptive, so why the fuck should a man destroy his own fertility just to have sex. Why is a motherhood a choice for women, but fatherhood is an obligation for men? Oh wait, I remember now - because you want the right to be a fucking leech.

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(The human race has known since the Stone Ages that babies are fathered by the potency of a man's seed, unless he is among the few that shoot blanks.) Just because modern-day Nancy boys do not fear having to undergo a shotgun wedding, does not mean the man should get off scot free without so much as a stretch mark, scar, invasive surgical procedure, or undergoing excruciating labor pains, as a badge of his masculine courage.
You whine like a mule. We're talking about women wanting privileges while avoiding responsibilities.

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Do you truly believe that men are powerless in influencing a woman's procreative decisions, whether it is to affirm or to thwart her nesting instincts?
... That men have not applied pressure on a woman to get an abortion that she did not want to have,
or to give up a child for adoption when she had no support system in place -- no viable option to raise a child on her own
Who gives a fuck? Why is the man's right to choose not enshrined in law? Why is abortion about a "woman's right to choose" but those same abortion advocates think men are an obligatory meal ticket? What a bunch of entitled fucking losers you women are.

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... That men have not promised to "take care" of the woman during her pregnancy and then help to raise their child together
Yeah men are kind of leery of that given the number of women who lie about paternity. Obligatory paternity testing should be in place to prevent fraud.

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... That droves of men have not historically deserted their families by being emotionally if not physically absent, squandered away vital financial resources, run off to seek fame and fortune by land or by sea, gone footloose and fancy free as they started up new families in other lands
Oh, I see - so your reasoning is "Because some men are bad, all men should be meal tickets and women should be free to leech off them". Yes, makes perfect sense - if you're a sociopath.

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... That men can even now in this day & age get away with working under the table and not only pay little to no child support, but any disability benefits they are collecting cannot be touched.
Oh, I see. So not only do you want child support, but if the guy is disabled and trying to make ends meet, YOU WANT TO TAKE HIS ONLY MEANS OF SUPPORT. Christ, what a nasty piece of work YOU are.

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They spite their children even further by denying them higher Social Security benefits because they have shirked contributing their fair share into the system to raise the amount of any survivor benefits the minor child would have been entitled to per taxable declared income.
At this point, you're just ranting and raving about how you don't get as much money as you fucking want. You're a typical leech who regards children as a vehicle for sucking a lifestyle out of men.

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Face it, parenting is a shared responsibility.
Parenting can be a shared responsibility when it's a shared choice, but women like you aren't looking for shared responsibility, you're a leech looking for a man to provide you with a lifestyle because he fucked you one time. Women like you regard children as a career option - and boy are you leeches fucking EVERYWHERE. There's a reason why NZ has the second highest rate of unmarried mothers under 19 (second only to the US) and it's because feminism has taught women they can be leeches with no conscience whatsoever.

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You must not have been raised by a single working mother who gladly took on the responsibility of caring for you and your siblings, making whatever sacrifices were necessary to provide you with the best possible life she could, food on the table, a roof over your head, decent clothes to wear, shoes on your feet.
Yes, all single mothers are mythical saints because they're women. None of them ever abuse alcohol or drugs, none of them ever use children as a lifestyle, none of them ever have multiple children to multiple fathers to keep the money coming in, none of them ever sabotage contraception or lie to men about paternity to get some ready cash.

Pathetic.

There's a significant difference between formerly married single mothers and unmarried single mothers. See if you can work out what that difference is.

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There are crime statistics which flag the most dangerous time for a woman to become the victim (the survivor, if she survives) of domestic abuse and homicide at the hands of her male partner is during pregnancy. Ostensibly in the case of an unwanted pregnancy (by the boyfriend or husband), compounded by her vulnerable physical state when she is in the least unassailable condition of being able to protect or defend herself.
Maybe that's because women grow up with this entitlement mentality which says pregnancy is HER choice instead of a SHARED choice. Maybe it's time for women to get over themselves, lose the entitlement mentality and realise they have no right to a man's labour just because they fucked him.

It's truly ironic that the feminist lobby prattles on and on (and fucking ON) about a woman's right to choose, but is more devoted than ever to denying men their right to choose. Once again, we see the true purpose of feminism, to advocate for women's rights.... and men's responsibilities.

Don't thank me for your schooling on this: I assure you, you're welcome.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 7:36:51 AM   
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As usual only half if ever informed about rights.

"mandatory paternity testing" ... means taking DNA sample of a newborn child - by whose right? The child's? Can the child agree or disagree? I'd recommend the child to get a lawyer immediaty at birth to assure its corporeal safeguarding.
Oh, piss off. This is a truly pathetic attempt to enable women's cuckoldry of men. You are LUDICROUS.

Establishing the paternity of a child is in the child's best interest. And taking a DNA sample is not an invasive process. Should we consult a lawyer when we want to take a child to the doctor or prescribe medicine for them? Your contention is fucking laughable.

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after the child's DNA sample taken and processed it needs comparison to
1) the mother's - taken by force too??
Why THE FUCK would we need a dna sample from the mother? Most people usually figure she's the mother when the child is born. (Can you figure out why???) Christ, you're a dimwit.

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2) the father's - who if unknown? a mass screening perhaps?
I'm pretty sure the guy who the mother is CLAIMING is the father will be more than happy to provide a DNA sample. If the test proves he isn't the father, then she's going to have to find another sap to pay her bills.

You're really not all there, are you.


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 7:37:59 AM   
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Again Utter Bullshit, you know nothing about it, obviously.
keep your dick zipped or have the snip if you dont want kids, Like I did.
Why should I? Women can just murder an unborn child, so why the fuck can't I?


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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 7:44:03 AM   
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Things vary by local jurisdiction. For the most part, in the U.S., there is NO paternity testing unless someone makes a legal challenge to paternity and is willing to pay for testing.
There is a whole drum of fish-bait that can be opened with paternity testing. If Hubby disputes paternity during a divorce proceeding and is proven not to be the father; the deadbeat ex boyfriend can sue for visitation rights ... even from prison.
One day, paternity verification may become standard practice at birth. That would be a good excuse for getting a personal genome into the system, wouldn't it. <evil grin>

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 8:19:19 AM   
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As usual only half if ever informed about rights.

"mandatory paternity testing" ... means taking DNA sample of a newborn child - by whose right? The child's? Can the child agree or disagree? I'd recommend the child to get a lawyer immediaty at birth to assure its corporeal safeguarding.
Oh, piss off. This is a truly pathetic attempt to enable women's cuckoldry of men. You are LUDICROUS.

Establishing the paternity of a child is in the child's best interest. And taking a DNA sample is not an invasive process. Should we consult a lawyer when we want to take a child to the doctor or prescribe medicine for them? Your contention is fucking laughable.

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after the child's DNA sample taken and processed it needs comparison to
1) the mother's - taken by force too??
Why THE FUCK would we need a dna sample from the mother? Most people usually figure she's the mother when the child is born. (Can you figure out why???) Christ, you're a dimwit.

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2) the father's - who if unknown? a mass screening perhaps?
I'm pretty sure the guy who the mother is CLAIMING is the father will be more than happy to provide a DNA sample. If the test proves he isn't the father, then she's going to have to find another sap to pay her bills.

You're really not all there, are you.




As usual you ignore the only point that matters about DNA testing- in this discussion about who is the legal owner of a genome: the person whose it is.

That person's permission is required to test it (unless by court order). The child's DNA is the child's ONLY - therefore parental DNA swaps to test ancestry are illegal (at least over here).

To distinguish paternal and maternal genes the mother's DNA is usually not necessarily needed but helpful (saves "exclusion procedure") - it is usually not required to define identity of course although even those cases happened with abandoned children. But of course this is beyond your imagination ...

Whatever quarrels between parents may happen, the only person who can bring it to court is the child who has a right and claim to paternal support. Differing law systems aside (what may or may not be the child's rights in the USA does not matter in this context at all) this is what is behind the discussion. The child also has a right that the mother reveals the identity of the biological father - only the child has that right (or his/her legal representatives).

BTW: the discussion is about those cases when a mother REFUSES to reveal the identity of the father ...

Depp

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Why should I?


It takes sex to make a baby---don't want one? Make sure it's not gonna happen----DUH!

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