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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 10:02:13 AM

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Feminists only want equality when it suits them as it seems.

It seems you still don't understand the definition of that word.

Feminsts want equality, period. Anyone who wants something other than equality for everyone is not a feminist. If I thought it would help you comprehend better, I would write that in crayon for you.

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Feminists are persistent about men giving up their privileges while they never want to give up their own.

You're mistaken.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 3:28:56 PM

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Yes, most people get the picture. ...

Nope, not at all, none of you.

Under German law, it is the right of the child that matters here
- to know its biological parents
- to get support from both of them

and only that right is relevant here.

If a biological father refuses to support the child eg by not paying alimony he gets sued by the child (read always: and his/her legal representatives). Until he does so, the "Jugendamt" will pay in advance, and is entitled to demand the money from the biological father. Alimony debts beat all other so this can get ruinous.

If a mother refuses to aid the child in this eg by not revealing the father's identity she gets sued by the child - only the child can legally demand to receive that information.

If the wrong "father" paid alimony he has to sue the child for repayment who has him/herself to sue the biological father for refunding.

The "flaw" in the system is that the mother can not be forced to reveal the father's identity (see recent BVG decision).

All what happened between parents for whatever reason is completely irrelevant (but can of course complicate matters). There are no parents' rights whether a father's or a mother's, involved in any way, only their duties. In this situation the child's rights have absolute priority.

The initial report does not mention the child's rights with a single syllable - just a sign to indicate how (not at all) well informed it was. In this issue the "adults" have to fulfil their legal obligations, everything about them male, female, pro/anti whatever, is secondary.

P.S. In that kind of cases the child is not forensic evidence, contrary to what some seem to think.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 4:51:16 PM

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Again Utter Bullshit, you know nothing about it, obviously.
keep your dick zipped or have the snip if you dont want kids, Like I did.

Why should I? Women can just murder an unborn child, so why the fuck can't I?

Why should you?
a) you dont have womb for a fetus
b) its a fetus.... not a child
c) you can murder any independent living born human you want to , if you are prepared to suffer the consequences.
Are you jealous? have a hankering to kill a fetus or just the pregnant woman?
I dont know why you are getting hung up on abortion, because I was talking about the life of a child or children when one parent abandons their offspring, but you go on this dipshit deranged little rant getting yourself worked into a tantrum.

have you had your hormone levels checked lately?

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 9:58:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Ad hominem is the weakest of all arguments.

Thus sayeth the weakest commentator of them all, the one who resorts to ad hominems in virtually every single one of your posts. You really are getting to be a tiresome read.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

As a woman, you can use abortion as a contraceptive, so why the fuck should a man destroy his own fertility just to have sex.

So the man who harms his pregnant female partner over an unwanted pregnancy is ... practicing contraception???
You are a piece of ... work.

Many women get their tubes tied, in addition to those who get inserted with long-term birth control devices. There are risks no matter what form of birth control a couple uses. If it means that much to the man, then he should put his money where his mouth is by having a vasectomy. This is about preventative procreative choices and the options that are available to both genders in practicing responsible sexuality in an imperfect world, not (after-the-fact) damage control or the desperate actions of a few.

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Why is a motherhood a choice for women, but fatherhood is an obligation for men?

The privilege of becoming a parent is not always a choice, whether pro or con; however, it is an obligation for both mothers and fathers. How they choose to honor this privilege and their ensuing obligations to their progeny is another matter, not just some set of glib generalizations on your part.

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You whine like a mule. We're talking about women wanting privileges while avoiding responsibilities.

Au contraire. You are the one whinging in post after post about how disenfranchised you feel (your emotional response) about reluctant fathers not being able to avoid parental responsibility as a consequence of their own procreative choices.

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Obligatory paternity testing should be in place to prevent fraud.

No argument there on free paternity testing being made available to any man who requests it. (Some may not want to, and that is their choice; if they are found to not be the biological father, then they would not be automatically entitled to visitation rights).

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So not only do you want child support, but if the guy is disabled and trying to make ends meet, YOU WANT TO TAKE HIS ONLY MEANS OF SUPPORT.

To clarify, the subject was men who work under the table in order to avoid making child support payments.
The segue pertained to men who not only collect disability payments (SSDI is not always for physical disabilities which might limit what kinds of labor they can perform), who may be on workmen's comp even, but who still manage to augment their unearned income with earned but untaxed income, i.e., working under the table.
But, of course you imply that society should pick up the slack for deadbeat dads. That does not quite fit your right-wing philosophy paradigm now, does it?

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Parenting can be a shared responsibility when it's a shared choice, but women like you aren't looking for shared responsibility, you're a leech looking for a man to provide you with a lifestyle because he fucked you one time. Women like you regard children as a career option -

You know nothing.
AND, you know nothing about "women like" me. Nothing.

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There's a significant difference between formerly married single mothers and unmarried single mothers. See if you can work out what that difference is.

A working mother is a working mother.
Whether she has always been single, is a divorceé or a widow, her children are not the financial responsibility of her boyfriend or of her new husband unless he has adopted her children from a previous relationship. See if you can figure that one out without any further schooling on home economics and managing household finances.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 11:15:24 PM

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As usual you ignore the only point that matters about DNA testing- in this discussion about who is the legal owner of a genome: the person whose it is.

It's not intellectual property you fucking dimwit - there's no copyright involved. So what the fuck are you babbling about?

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That person's permission is required to test it (unless by court order). The child's DNA is the child's ONLY - therefore parental DNA swaps to test ancestry are illegal (at least over here).

Ye Gods, another example of how comprehensively fucked Germany is. That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

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To distinguish paternal and maternal genes the mother's DNA is usually not necessarily needed but helpful (saves "exclusion procedure") - it is usually not required to define identity of course although even those cases happened with abandoned children. But of course this is beyond your imagination ...

Paternity tests have never required the mother's DNA and such testing has become more accurate over time, not less. Given the entire thrust of the original article was about some ditzy tart complaining about "slut-shaming", I really don't think establishing maternity is the issue here.

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Whatever quarrels between parents may happen, the only person who can bring it to court is the child who has a right and claim to paternal support.

Ye Gods, what an horrifically misandrist system. The child has a right to paternal support and the mother has no obligations whatsoever. Typical feminist privilege-seeking in action.

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Differing law systems aside (what may or may not be the child's rights in the USA does not matter in this context at all) this is what is behind the discussion. The child also has a right that the mother reveals the identity of the biological father - only the child has that right (or his/her legal representatives).

This is sinister Orwellian claptrap of the highest order. This sees the State interposing itself between members of the family. Exactly as Orwell predicted.

Ye Gods, what a totalitarian wasteland Germany has become. It appears that WWII has taught them nothing.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 11:20:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Again Utter Bullshit, you know nothing about it, obviously.
keep your dick zipped or have the snip if you dont want kids, Like I did.

Why should I? Women can just murder an unborn child, so why the fuck can't I?

Why should you?
a) you dont have womb for a fetus

Oh, I see. Having a womb entitles you to murder, does it?

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b) its a fetus.... not a child

The distinction is arbitrary and convenient for women who want to use abortion to avoid their responsibilities.

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c) you can murder any independent living born human you want to , if you are prepared to suffer the consequences.

Well, apparently feminists think women shouldn't have to suffer the consequences. Why, only last month we had feminists insisting that women shouldn't be judged by the judicial system and whatever they say should be taken as gospel. They're completely insane, but that's feminism for you.

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Are you jealous? have a hankering to kill a fetus or just the pregnant woman?

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. If you can't handle a bit of truth, that's entirely your own problem.

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I dont know why you are getting hung up on abortion, because I was talking about the life of a child or children when one parent abandons their offspring, but you go on this dipshit deranged little rant getting yourself worked into a tantrum.

Women are legally entitled to abandon their offspring. It's enshrined in law. Men have no such right and yet you think you can lecture men on their responsibilities. Again, you're a hypocrite.

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have you had your hormone levels checked lately?

Don't need to - not a woman, so no chance of hormonal madness y'see. That's your thing, not ours.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/6/2016 11:46:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: HoneyBears

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Ad hominem is the weakest of all arguments.

Thus sayeth the weakest commentator of them all, the one who resorts to ad hominems in virtually every single one of your posts. You really are getting to be a tiresome read.

And you really are tiresomely stupid. It's tedious dealing with people who are so fucking inept.

Education time! Ad hominem is the substitution of a personal attack for an argument when debating with someone. It's basically saying, "Your argument is invalid because you're a slut". I don't engage in ad hominem, you fucking moron, because what I do is take apart your fucking idiotic non-argument and THEN I call you a cunt.

That's not ad hominem, it's a fucking bonus.

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As a woman, you can use abortion as a contraceptive, so why the fuck should a man destroy his own fertility just to have sex.

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So the man who harms his pregnant female partner over an unwanted pregnancy is ... practicing contraception???

Straw man! I didn't say that, you did, so I'm not going to defend an idea you invented in your head.

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You are a piece of ... work.

Oh, I am, but you're not smart enough to perceive exactly how.

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Many women get their tubes tied, in addition to those who get inserted with long-term birth control devices. There are risks no matter what form of birth control a couple uses.

Women get their tubes tied because they've decided they don't want children. Until they reach that point they're free to have as much sex as they like with or without contraception - they can always abort if they become pregnant.

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If it means that much to the man, then he should put his money where his mouth is by having a vasectomy.

A woman doesn't have to destroy her fertility to enjoy a robust sex life, so why the fuck should a man have to do so? Come on, admit it, you just hate men, don't you.

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This is about preventative procreative choices and the options that are available to both genders in practicing responsible sexuality in an imperfect world, not (after-the-fact) damage control or the desperate actions of a few.

You're characterising the more than 50 million abortions in America since Roe Vs Wade as "the desperate actions of a few"? Are you high?

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Why is a motherhood a choice for women, but fatherhood is an obligation for men?

The privilege of becoming a parent is not always a choice, whether pro or con; however, it is an obligation for both mothers and fathers.

Now you're just lying. Parenthood is always a choice for women, they can abort, they can adopt out or they can disclaim responsibility and leave the child to the state. Men have no such choice.

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How they choose to honor this privilege and their ensuing obligations to their progeny is another matter, not just some set of glib generalizations on your part.

First off, stop mythologising reproduction. It's fucking and having children, there's nothing fucking mystical about it.

Second, obligations only exist for men. Women have no such obligations and do their best to avoid obligations at every turn.

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You whine like a mule. We're talking about women wanting privileges while avoiding responsibilities.

Au contraire. You are the one whinging in post after post about how disenfranchised you feel (your emotional response) about reluctant fathers not being able to avoid parental responsibility as a consequence of their own procreative choices.

You idiot! I'm discussing hypocrisy and you're trying to talk about my feelings? Christ, what is it with women and their extreme inability to employ logic and reason? And you wonder why I regard you with contempt. Good grief!

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So not only do you want child support, but if the guy is disabled and trying to make ends meet, YOU WANT TO TAKE HIS ONLY MEANS OF SUPPORT.

To clarify, the subject was men who work under the table in order to avoid making child support payments.
The segue pertained to men who not only collect disability payments (SSDI is not always for physical disabilities which might limit what kinds of labor they can perform), who may be on workmen's comp even, but who still manage to augment their unearned income with earned but untaxed income, i.e., working under the table.

Wait, so you're having a fucking whine about a small minority of individuals who YOU SPECULATE engage in a very specific set of behaviours, then bitching because there's no general legal framework under which all non-custodial fathers can be screwed over even more?

Christ, you must hate men.

By the way, do you know what happens to mothers who don't make their child support payments? Fucking nothing. Apparently courts only give a damn when a man's ponying up the dollars. Wonder why that is?

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But, of course you imply that society should pick up the slack for deadbeat dads. That does not quite fit your right-wing philosophy paradigm now, does it?

The vast majority of so-called "deadbeat dads" are men who are lumbered with impossible child support obligations the courts refuse to adjust when their income drops. The idea that this occurs because these guys "work under the table" is so monumentally stupid it's clearly the product of a deranged mind with a misandrist bent.

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You know nothing.

Don't be stupid. Clearly I know something. Enough to put you in your fucking place, that's for damn sure.

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AND, you know nothing about "women like" me. Nothing.

Oh, I assure you - there's nothing uncommon about women like you. Nothing at all.

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There's a significant difference between formerly married single mothers and unmarried single mothers. See if you can work out what that difference is.

A working mother is a working mother.
Whether she has always been single, is a divorceé or a widow, her children are not the financial responsibility of her boyfriend or of her new husband unless he has adopted her children from a previous relationship.

Wrong. Courts can and do order child support from step-fathers. I'm afraid your ignorance betrays you.

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See if you can figure that one out without any further schooling on home economics and managing household finances.

Your schooling on those subjects is entirely your own problem. I have no intention of providing you with further free education.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 1:19:02 AM

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It seems you still don't understand the definition of that word.

Using this stupid tactic again as I see. I've had the dictionary meaning of "feminist" thrown at my face a billion times. You see, the thing is that the vast majority of people who identify as feminists are nothing like the dictionary meaning. The reason why is because they seem to want double standards instead of equality. Such like what's been discussed here. Lucy isn't acting like a feminist when looking at the dictionary meaning. Therefore, Lucy isn't a feminist! I am waiting for Peon to come in and clarify this with us.

The vast majority of feminists would go on a shooting rampage if they could to diminish male privilege while also going on a shooting rampage if they could to keep their own privileges. This is the typical mindset I see in feminists. So it's fair to say that this is what feminism is. You can shove the dictionary meaning up your skanky arse. What feminists do typically is fair to define that's what a feminist is. The dictionary meaning isn't going to save you no matter how much you kick and scream. Your actions define you, not what a dictionary meaning says.

Anyway, as people keep saying stupid shit like this to men...

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It takes sex to make a baby---don't want one? Make sure it's not gonna happen----DUH!

It never ceases to amaze me how these same people aren't likely going to point at women in the same way when a woman complains about an unwanted pregnancy. Instead, she will be a strong and empowered woman to get an abortion.

Let's get things clear here.

Women are passionate about it being HER body. Her body, her choice. Fair enough, I am all in for that. So if something is yours and only yours, not the men's, a woman's body for example, how come everyone else has no choice of burden of responsibility for it except you?

No one knows your body more than you. A man doesn't know when it is or isn't risky for pregnancy to happen as he's not the owner of the woman's body. Only the owner of the body knows this. So again, how come everyone else has no choice of burden of responsibility for it except you?

It's your body and you know it more than the man, yet you get to escape responsibility but not the man.

All too funny.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 1:42:19 AM

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This is not about children or pregnancies but about the power to decide. And you being the pig headed idiot that you are cannot bear it that women control reproduction.

So you think women deserve the power to decide because you're a gynocentric hater of penis who thinks men's only purpose in life is to act as a support system for any lazy bitch who wants to get pregnant.

Not at all. Women deserve the power to decide because we carry the foetus to its maturity in our wombs. Women don't have an option when it comes to pregnancy. If a woman becomes pregnant she has to deal with the consequences no matter which path she may eventually end up choosing. Ultimately, if all other options have been eliminated, it doesn't matter what a man wants - he doesn't have to live with the consequences.

It really gets to you that there is an area of life totally beyond your control, doesn't it? If the fury underwriting your posts is anything to go by your inability to control womens' fertility must choke every pore of your body and inflame every aspect of your pathetic existence. It's rather amusing to watch your rant and rave so futilely knowing that no matter what you do, no matter how much you rant and rave, no matter whom you insult or how odious your insults are, you will never ever control womens' fertility.

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your claims of equality fall flat when you consistently advocate for women to enjoy extra privileges without extra responsibilities. How about this idea: Women are held responsible for their own children without the expectation that they can leach off a man like some kind of parasite.

This claim is an excellent example of an utterly selfish male's chronic inability to think beyond the tip of his penis. It's so stupid that it doesn't merit any comment or consideration but it does reveal the horror of the self obsessed mind that came up with this claim. It really must be horrible to wake up every morning with mind like this, a mind that makes a retarded anemone appear intelligent by comparison, a mind so repulsively and comprehensively awful that suicide becomes an immediate and attractive option.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 1:45:42 AM

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I am waiting for Peon to come in and clarify this with us.

You might be waiting a long time, RM. You're a troll and I can rarely be bothered to talk to you any more. You're too lazy, slack and narrow-minded to do anything other than trawl the nets for far-out wacky memes before starting threads with them here. You don't deserve a discussion, frankly.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 2:00:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Again Utter Bullshit, you know nothing about it, obviously.
keep your dick zipped or have the snip if you dont want kids, Like I did.

Why should I? Women can just murder an unborn child, so why the fuck can't I?

Why should you?
a) you dont have womb for a fetus
Oh, I see. Having a womb entitles you to murder, does it?

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b) its a fetus.... not a child
The distinction is arbitrary and convenient for women who want to use abortion to avoid their responsibilities.

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c) you can murder any independent living born human you want to , if you are prepared to suffer the consequences.
Well, apparently feminists think women shouldn't have to suffer the consequences. Why, only last month we had feminists insisting that women shouldn't be judged by the judicial system and whatever they say should be taken as gospel. They're completely insane, but that's feminism for you.

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Are you jealous? have a hankering to kill a fetus or just the pregnant woman?
I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. If you can't handle a bit of truth, that's entirely your own problem.

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I dont know why you are getting hung up on abortion, because I was talking about the life of a child or children when one parent abandons their offspring, but you go on this dipshit deranged little rant getting yourself worked into a tantrum.
Women are legally entitled to abandon their offspring. It's enshrined in law. Men have no such right and yet you think you can lecture men on their responsibilities. Again, you're a hypocrite.

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have you had your hormone levels checked lately?
Don't need to - not a woman, so no chance of hormonal madness y'see. That's your thing, not ours.

You are pointing out MY hypocrisy??? I've lived the truth and the reality, both professionally and personally. You? not in either, you stick to your rage. it suits you. And is as truthful as trump is.

Ad hominems are all you have in this topic, you cannot even discuss my point, which in turn points in neon, just how sad your argument is.

Btw. I'm old, I'm barren, I've done my part for the population explosion, As women age, in my experience, its not just dumb testosterone driven rage against biology and facing the last stage of your life that sours women, its concern for the children (AND grandchildren) we have given birth to and the bullshit they have to face in the future from the hate driven antics of people like you.
At least you can serve as a good reason for birthcontrol.
congrats

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 2:29:40 AM

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As usual you ignore the only point that matters about DNA testing- in this discussion about who is the legal owner of a genome: the person whose it is.
It's not intellectual property you fucking dimwit - there's no copyright involved. So what the fuck are you babbling about?

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That person's permission is required to test it (unless by court order). The child's DNA is the child's ONLY - therefore parental DNA swaps to test ancestry are illegal (at least over here).
Ye Gods, another example of how comprehensively fucked Germany is. That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

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To distinguish paternal and maternal genes the mother's DNA is usually not necessarily needed but helpful (saves "exclusion procedure") - it is usually not required to define identity of course although even those cases happened with abandoned children. But of course this is beyond your imagination ...
Paternity tests have never required the mother's DNA and such testing has become more accurate over time, not less. Given the entire thrust of the original article was about some ditzy tart complaining about "slut-shaming", I really don't think establishing maternity is the issue here.

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Whatever quarrels between parents may happen, the only person who can bring it to court is the child who has a right and claim to paternal support.
Ye Gods, what an horrifically misandrist system. The child has a right to paternal support and the mother has no obligations whatsoever. Typical feminist privilege-seeking in action.

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Differing law systems aside (what may or may not be the child's rights in the USA does not matter in this context at all) this is what is behind the discussion. The child also has a right that the mother reveals the identity of the biological father - only the child has that right (or his/her legal representatives).
This is sinister Orwellian claptrap of the highest order. This sees the State interposing itself between members of the family. Exactly as Orwell predicted.

Ye Gods, what a totalitarian wasteland Germany has become. It appears that WWII has taught them nothing.

I would not comment to your view of the world which has hardly anything to do with the latter but only to some of the important points in this discussion where you are fundamentally wrong.

Number 1: Property right of a person's DNA is regulated in Articles 1,1; 1,3; and 2,2 of the Grundgesetz (not to mention Human rights charter and other international regulations). It has nothing at all to do with "intellectual" property (are you sure about what intellect is?) but with physical property. "Copyright" as such does not exist because nobody has a claim to take and copy a person's DNA without that person's permission or/and without court order.

Number 2: Of course the mother has the same obligations as the father in providing support and care; in the situations discussed, however, (father's parenthood in dispute and mother refusing to reveal father's identity) the obligations of mother and father towards the child about the child's right of revealed ancestry are in conflict. In a situation like that the rights of the child have priority. You fail to grasp the idea that a child has rights completely.

Number 3: The state is not interfering in families (Grundgesetz Article 6). The state provides help to children in obtaining their rights if the parents fail to fulfil their obligations to the child.

You have obviously no clue about not only the German legal system but also any other national or international law system regarding the rights of an individual of any age or sex.

"Orwell" and "WWII" can not hide that.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 2:47:09 AM

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Women are legally entitled to abandon their offspring. It's enshrined in law. Men have no such right ...

Nope. All statements wrong of course.
Besides if women do you give the perfect example when maternal DNA testing could be used if maternity is in doubt.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 3:22:48 AM

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-02/german-cuckoo-kids-law-punishes-women/7805370

Laws to protect men from paying child support for children that aren't theirs is now "slut shaming" and "punishing women".

The only men who need protecting this way are the ones so stupid they can't grasp the concept of a dna test and how to go about getting one. And I must say I am not surprised to see you counted among them.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 4:39:59 AM

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I have skimmed through this flame war which was actually created by incompetent governments.

The Mother has the right to give up all Parental rights, and with that, obligations.

The Father has no such right.

The Mother has the sole right to murder the kid at her whim.

The Father has no such right. (however I will add that if you kill my kid I will kill you)

The Mother has the right to sit home and collect welfare as well as payments from the Father.

The Father has no such right.

Now, let's get to how we got here. First of all, wearing a rubber does not make sex unpleasurable. In fact in reducing the sensitivity it should prolonging it, making it more pleasurable for both. It prevents almost all STDs and is probably the best form of contraception out there because it is easily reversible.

A vasectomy is reversible but at great cost, and still if you catch something whoring around then you are spreading it around, nobody likes that.

A tubal ligation is reversible but at even a greater cost. I mean like fifty times the cost. It also does nothing about STDs.

An IUD, while it does nothing about STDs at least is easily reversible. However some Women have a adverse reaction to them, like a toxic shock syndrome type of thing, not that it is common but it does happen.

Norplant has seemed to become an option but many do not trust the drug companies, I certainly don't. It fucks with a Woman's hormones. It is like the pill automatic, some do have adverse reactions and what's more with either chemical option there is a possibility of insidious reactions that don't show up for twenty years and thus do not get connected to the use of these chemicals.

There should be a pill for Men if they want to keep within a small number of partners and keep it clean but not use a rubber. But as far as I know none exist. I am sure they have worked on it but I think the problem is the hormonal changes anything that would work would cause is too much for most Men. Like losing their beard and growing moobs, shit like that. the changes to a Woman on the pill or Norplant are nowhere as near severe.

But really, it is still wrong to put it all on her. Engineering class tells you that the most reliable part of a machine is one that is not there. With that in mind I say the best abortion is performed on a fetus that never existed in the first place.

And even with this "kill my kid I kill you" shit, you know that puts on me nine months (plus) of total support, medical bills and all that. If she doesn't want the kid and I do then I am using her body for that time. Actually once in a while you see ads where people will pay you like $35,000 to have a kid for them. And I think that is not including room and board, food and all other needs. I mean you walk out the door with that money. That means when she gets big I have to drive to the grocery store and get what she puts on the list she wants as well as some good food. And pay for it all.

You want that dudes ? And then the screaming little motherfucker who wakes you up in the middle of the night and then in 16 years grows up and smashes your cars ?

Are you sure ?

Unless you are married and committed you cannot put that on a Woman involuntarily. Gonna leave her alone and not pay ? You should just have the vasectomy. In fact I read that somewhere in Europe or whatever they did order a guy to get a vasectomy. He had maybe 15 kids with 12 different Women. Something like that.

No. Fuck all that. Use a rubber and it decreases your sensitivity and gives her a better chance to get off first. And you don't have to pull out. And you don't have any of these problems for eighteen years.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 6:05:03 AM

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The Mother has the right to sit home and collect welfare as well as payments from the Father.

The Father has no such right.
...
T^T

Just one point to show where you are wrong.

When the father has the sole right of care for the child the money goes his way (as a representative of the child). This is called "alleiniges Sorgerecht" and the family court usually decides about that eg after a divorce. The percentage of fathers having sole care is lower than 50 % of these cases in relation to mothers, but they exist, and the percentage has been growing for the last decades.

Maybe something yet to be introduced to some other countries.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 6:29:47 AM

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It seems you still don't understand the definition of that word.

Using this stupid tactic again as I see. I've had the dictionary meaning of "feminist" thrown at my face a billion times. You see, the thing is that the vast majority of people who identify as feminists are nothing like the dictionary meaning. The reason why is because they seem to want double standards instead of equality. Such like what's been discussed here. Lucy isn't acting like a feminist when looking at the dictionary meaning. Therefore, Lucy isn't a feminist! I am waiting for Peon to come in and clarify this with us.

Got any evidence for any of this, or are you just being a whiney little bitch again? Which self described feminists are more interested in inverting sexism than enforcing equality? I'd be very interested to see a few names cited for this one, because as things stand, this looks a lot like you're just resorting to your usual MO of making stuff up.

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The vast majority of feminists would go on a shooting rampage if they could to diminish male privilege while also going on a shooting rampage if they could to keep their own privileges. This is the typical mindset I see in feminists. So it's fair to say that this is what feminism is. You can shove the dictionary meaning up your skanky arse. What feminists do typically is fair to define that's what a feminist is. The dictionary meaning isn't going to save you no matter how much you kick and scream. Your actions define you, not what a dictionary meaning says.

While we're on evidence, how about this one? Given the low number of female rampage killers (Brenda Spencer is the only one that springs to mind offhand, mostly because I like that Bob Geldof song about her), and your allegation that almost all cunts who dare to talk back to a man* are feminists, there should be an awful lot more, if the gobby misandrists all think like that, shouldn't there? If 51% of all spree and rampage killers are cunts, the feminist media conspiracy is definitely doing a good job of hiding the fact...

*(using the term "man" loosely, in order not to exclude whiney little bitches like yourself, obvs)

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 10:17:44 AM

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It seems you still don't understand the definition of that word.

Using this stupid tactic again as I see.

Yes. Truth is an effective "tactic" when dealing with you.

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I've had the dictionary meaning of "feminist" thrown at my face a billion times. You see, the thing is that the vast majority of people who identify as feminists are nothing like the dictionary meaning.

Exactly what are you basing this on? Where do you encounter this "vast majority of feminists" anyway? The "vast majority of feminists" on this site tell you on a regular basis that your definition is invalid. Exactly which "vast majority" is it you're always referring to?

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The reason why is because they seem to want double standards instead of equality. Such like what's been discussed here. Lucy isn't acting like a feminist when looking at the dictionary meaning. Therefore, Lucy isn't a feminist! I am waiting for Peon to come in and clarify this with us.

Is Lucy your "vast majority"? What did she say that hurt you so much?

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The vast majority of feminists would go on a shooting rampage if they could to diminish male privilege while also going on a shooting rampage if they could to keep their own privileges. This is the typical mindset I see in feminists. So it's fair to say that this is what feminism is.

Again with the "vast majority" nonsense. This is what you "see" because this is what justifies your incessant whining. It's not reality.

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You can shove the dictionary meaning up your skanky arse. What feminists do typically is fair to define that's what a feminist is. The dictionary meaning isn't going to save you no matter how much you kick and scream. Your actions define you, not what a dictionary meaning says.

How many bullshit misogynistic threads have you started here whining about some video one of your man crushes posted on YouTube? The only one kicking and screaming here is you Nicky.

I'm still waiting for you to show even one time where I have asked for anything other than equality, but of course it's much easier for you to sling invective than to ever back up your claims.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 10:43:00 AM

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Having a womb entitles you to murder, does it?

You might want to look up the word murder before you misuse it again.

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RE: 'Legislative slut-shaming': How the German 'Cuckoo ... - 9/7/2016 10:59:15 AM

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Just out of interest, were you pissing and moaning about your rights as a father before whatever unfortunate skank you took advantage of got pregnant and decided she didn't want to perpetuate your bloodline?
Or is this just something you've been throwing a tantrum about afterwards?

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