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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR The Bill Of Rights was written for the people, not the state or federal government. How hard is that for you people to understand?

The Constitution of the United States was written to limit the Federal Government, not The People of the United States.

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura
Ban guns, ban region, ban states rights! The Constitution was a more perfect document without this so called Bill of Rights. A bunch of stupid southerners insisted on it back then, and look what we have now...a bunch of stupid southerners defending it...

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"The court told the world flat out that the commerce clause comes in very handy when you need it and the 10th amend....be damned. "
On another front courts ruled that if you grow food on your own property even for your own consumption, you come under their jurisdiction for interstate commerce. Their "reasoning" ? You are growing something that someone in another state COULD HAVE sold you. Therefore you are involved in interstate commerce.
T^T

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have explained how English works many times and the gun-a-phobes refuse to understand it.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have explained how English works many times and the gun-a-phobes refuse to understand it.

What you have explained is nothing of the sort Bama.

What us 'gun-a-phobes' have tried to explain to the rednecks is that the US is by far and beyond the worst place to get shot in any 1st-world country by at least an order of magnitude; and that is a deplorable figure no matter how you slice the cake.
It might have gone down by 10% or whatever.
But when it is already 3000% or more above everyone else, it's a piddling little amount.

Then we get news the other day that over 500 people have been killed in Chicago this year alone due to guns.
Nothing else. Not car accidents, not stupidly bad weather-based disasters.... guns!
And when you put up the defense that the good guys protect the people; they are never around for 99% of gun incidents.

And you wonder why the US is going down the shitter.

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ORIGINAL: bondageerone

ladydem what on earth have states got to do with it, sounds as though Americans think they are at war with each other.xx

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Check the stats Bama.
You are more likely to be shot in the US than in any other 1st world country by a whole order of magnitude.

Go on, go check 'em.
Find me just ONE from a reputible source that shows you have a lower chance of being shot in the US than other 1st-world countries.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Then we get news the other day that over 500 people have been killed in Chicago this year alone due to guns.
Nothing else. Not car accidents, not stupidly bad weather-based disasters.... guns!

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• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Then we get news the other day that over 500 people have been killed in Chicago this year alone due to guns.
Nothing else. Not car accidents, not stupidly bad weather-based disasters.... guns!

Perhaps it's just the way you word things, but not a single person was killed, nor shot, due to a gun. A gun was used, but it wasn't simply because a gun was present that someone decided to shoot and/or kill someone.

You don't dig a hole simply because there happens to be a shovel around. If you want a hole, you would use a shovel to dig the hole, if you had one. A gun is a tool. It is a tool used to scare, destroy, wound, and/or kill things. It doesn't cause people to want to scare, destroy, wound, and/or kill things. People want to scare, destroy, wound, and/or kill things first. Then a tool is chosen. In most cases, a firearm is an extremely effective tool for the job. Don't you choose the most effective, or, at least, a very effective, tool for whatever task you're doing?

My next-door neighbor has a firearm. No one has ever been killed by it, nor with it. You know why? Because the owner of that gun hasn't wanted to actually kill anyone.

How can we, in the US (because that's where I am, so that's the country I care most about), reduce the hate to the point where significantly fewer people want to scare, destroy, wound, and/or kill things? If we can figure that out, the number of murders and homicides (regardless of tool used) will plummet, and the amount of overall gun violence will drop.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR The Bill Of Rights was written for the people, not the state or federal government. How hard is that for you people to understand?

The Constitution of the United States was written to limit the Federal Government, not The People of the United States.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR The Bill Of Rights was written for the people, not the state or federal government. How hard is that for you people to understand?

The Constitution of the United States was written to limit the Federal Government, not The People of the United States.

This whole OP is predominantly a discussion on how for the most part, that...didn't work out so good.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

A By Federal every able bodied man is in the militia.
B It says the right of the people, not the privilage of militia members.
C They should be rigistered so that the invader will know who to round up?
D Registration is a precurser to confiscation, see CA and NY.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have explained how English works many times and the gun-a-phobes refuse to understand it.

What you have explained is nothing of the sort Bama.

What us 'gun-a-phobes' have tried to explain to the rednecks is that the US is by far and beyond the worst place to get shot in any 1st-world country by at least an order of magnitude; and that is a deplorable figure no matter how you slice the cake.
It might have gone down by 10% or whatever.
But when it is already 3000% or more above everyone else, it's a piddling little amount.

Then we get news the other day that over 500 people have been killed in Chicago this year alone due to guns.
Nothing else. Not car accidents, not stupidly bad weather-based disasters.... guns!
And when you put up the defense that the good guys protect the people; they are never around for 99% of gun incidents.

And you wonder why the US is going down the shitter.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Check the stats Bama.
You are more likely to be shot in the US than in any other 1st world country by a whole order of magnitude.

Go on, go check 'em.
Find me just ONE from a reputible source that shows you have a lower chance of being shot in the US than other 1st-world countries.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

A By Federal every able bodied man is in the militia.
B It says the right of the people, not the privilage of militia members.
C They should be rigistered so that the invader will know who to round up?
D Registration is a precurser to confiscation, see CA and NY.

Just one, little, "tweak", here, Bama:

Unless my memory is worse than I think, your "A" should include something about being between the ages of seventeen and fifty-nine. I understand that "able bodied" probably refers to that, but I know plenty of guys that I would march into battle next to who are over sixty years old. However, I think the actually definition absolves them of compulsory militia service.



Michael