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ORIGINAL: keptinchains

Even in the days of the Oregon trail, the greatest cause of death was not accidents on the trail, or Native Americans tribes, no it was accidents with guns... people are so fucking stupid they shouldn't be allowed guns.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

Ban guns, ban region, ban states rights! The Constitution was a more perfect document without this so called Bill of Rights. A bunch of stupid southerners insisted on it back then, and look what we have now...a bunch of stupid southerners defending it...

States rights were inherent in the Constitution before the Bill of Rights.
You are saying that the goverment should be allowed to force people to testify against themselves, and since the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment any means they wanted to use.

Some states rights were, but many are largely because of the 10th amendment. Why is it we must have 4 levels of government, federal, state, county, and city, with 4 sets of taxes, of course. Without it, aside from the other powers the states have, congress could basically get rid of state, county, and city taxes and regulations...

roughly speaking, you and people like you are the enemy to the country I want to live in. my solution for you would be move to Sweden, cuba or north korea.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

Ban guns, ban region, ban states rights! The Constitution was a more perfect document without this so called Bill of Rights. A bunch of stupid southerners insisted on it back then, and look what we have now...a bunch of stupid southerners defending it...

Yup, that bill of rights screwed things up royally, just think, government limits on speech, religion, and being able to arrest and hold people in jail without formal charges, kick your door in to search for no good reason than it was something to do.

The problem is not with guns, or even the gun laws, since the current gun regulations WOULD work if they were actually able to be enforced the way they are written.

However, due to the fact that law enforcement agencies below the federal level are not forced to put protection orders or indictments for felonies (both of which would prevent someone from purchasing a gun) into the National Criminal database, there is no way the back ground checks can work.

The fact that there are a litany of mental disorders that, under the laws as written, bar people from purchasing firearms, you would think that it would be mandatory for mental health professionals to report patients with such disorders to the proper agencies, but thanks to privacy laws, that is not the case.

For that matter, considering the lethal uses of a gun, you would think that it would be mandatory to report one stolen or missing, but nope.

Nor is there any regulation about storage of a firearm.

And before the extremist gun owners start screaming, consider this.

Would you store poisons where a child can get to them?
Would you put a five gallon gas can near a fireplace?

There are irresponsible people that leave guns and ammo where a kid can get to them. Accidental deaths top the list for gun related deaths.

Then there is the argument that the gun needs to be ready in case someone breaks in to the home.

Got news for you, IF a person can break in faster than you can get to a gun that is placed for ready access for you but not everyone else, then you have a bigger problem than you think.

Hell, if you live in a place where a gun is necessary to protect yourself in your own home, you should move.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm thinking of all the innocents that die that wasn't their fault.
Not the fucking criminals - they deserve to die.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm thinking of all the innocents that die that wasn't their fault.
Not the fucking criminals - they deserve to die.

And so, to you, the only way to protect them is to deprive them of the ability to defend themselves.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm thinking of all the innocents that die that wasn't their fault.
Not the fucking criminals - they deserve to die.

And so, to you, the only way to protect them is to deprive them of the ability to defend themselves.

No. Take away the guns so they can't shoot anyone in the first place.
Arming even more people is a recipe for disaster and even more killings.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm thinking of all the innocents that die that wasn't their fault.
Not the fucking criminals - they deserve to die.

And so, to you, the only way to protect them is to deprive them of the ability to defend themselves.

No. Take away the guns so they can't shoot anyone in the first place.
Arming even more people is a recipe for disaster and even more killings.

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

Ban guns, ban region, ban states rights! The Constitution was a more perfect document without this so called Bill of Rights. A bunch of stupid southerners insisted on it back then, and look what we have now...a bunch of stupid southerners defending it...

Yup, that bill of rights screwed things up royally, just think, government limits on speech, religion, and being able to arrest and hold people in jail without formal charges, kick your door in to search for no good reason than it was something to do.

The problem is not with guns, or even the gun laws, since the current gun regulations WOULD work if they were actually able to be enforced the way they are written.

However, due to the fact that law enforcement agencies below the federal level are not forced to put protection orders or indictments for felonies (both of which would prevent someone from purchasing a gun) into the National Criminal database, there is no way the back ground checks can work.

The fact that there are a litany of mental disorders that, under the laws as written, bar people from purchasing firearms, you would think that it would be mandatory for mental health professionals to report patients with such disorders to the proper agencies, but thanks to privacy laws, that is not the case.

For that matter, considering the lethal uses of a gun, you would think that it would be mandatory to report one stolen or missing, but nope.

Nor is there any regulation about storage of a firearm.

And before the extremist gun owners start screaming, consider this.

Would you store poisons where a child can get to them?
Would you put a five gallon gas can near a fireplace?

There are irresponsible people that leave guns and ammo where a kid can get to them. Accidental deaths top the list for gun related deaths.

Then there is the argument that the gun needs to be ready in case someone breaks in to the home.

Got news for you, IF a person can break in faster than you can get to a gun that is placed for ready access for you but not everyone else, then you have a bigger problem than you think.

Hell, if you live in a place where a gun is necessary to protect yourself in your own home, you should move.

I do get that to many, the bill of rights is almost sacred, and isn't going away. But why must the well regulated militia part of the 2nd amendment be ignored? I could see a need for a militia that is below the national guard in terms of when they would be called to duty, but may only be necessary if for whatever reason a huge country like China decided to invade us and convince Mexico and Canada to be on their side, far fetched, but possible. Why shouldn't gun owners in this militia be registered so they can be called up in such a scenario, and also given regular fit for duty psych exams?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have explained how English works many times and the gun-a-phobes refuse to understand it.

What you have explained is nothing of the sort Bama.

What us 'gun-a-phobes' have tried to explain to the rednecks is that the US is by far and beyond the worst place to get shot in any 1st-world country by at least an order of magnitude; and that is a deplorable figure no matter how you slice the cake.
It might have gone down by 10% or whatever.
But when it is already 3000% or more above everyone else, it's a piddling little amount.

Then we get news the other day that over 500 people have been killed in Chicago this year alone due to guns.
Nothing else. Not car accidents, not stupidly bad weather-based disasters.... guns!
And when you put up the defense that the good guys protect the people; they are never around for 99% of gun incidents.

And you wonder why the US is going down the shitter.

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ORIGINAL: keptinchains

Even in the days of the Oregon trail, the greatest cause of death was not accidents on the trail, or Native Americans tribes, no it was accidents with guns... people are so fucking stupid they shouldn't be allowed guns.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Really Bama??
I've seen the odd one or two from you. Barely more than that.
Whereas, there are thousands upon thousands that show that guns are a problem in the US where they aren't elsewhere in other 1st-world countries.

You are one of those head-up-ass rednecks that refuse to see the other side of the coin.

As for the 2nd (oft quoted) - it wasn't penned by sacred aliens.
It was added by men.
As such, it can be amended by other men or even scrapped.
Just because it says it can't, doesn't make it so.

Sometimes you guys are sooo naive and stoopid.... and paranoid.


ETA: your stupid gun experiments are/were guaranteed to fail.
Like banning one shop from selling x but allowing everyone else to sell it.
Guaranteed failure from the inception.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Don't be selective.
Include ALL the gun deaths no matter the source.

Chicago gun deaths are already up by 50% this year alone and the worst figure for 20 years.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Don't be selective.
Include ALL the gun deaths no matter the source.

Chicago gun deaths are already up by 50% this year alone and the worst figure for 20 years.

So since 60% of gun deaths are suicides you really believe those people will say, "Ahh! There's no gun around so I won't kill myself today." As for the gun deaths in Chicago, as the police chief mentioned, it's basically because of 1,400 gang bangers living as victims in a Liberal inner city. I say give them more guns so they can kill each other off faster.

The funny thing is, I'm pleased you're scared to come here. Here is probably safer than there as long as you stay away from the liberal victim zones. I'd really feel bad if my safety zones was infringed upon by a hater like you. So stay there for gods sake and don't worry about it. We'll handle it here.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Don't be selective.
Include ALL the gun deaths no matter the source.

Chicago gun deaths are already up by 50% this year alone and the worst figure for 20 years.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Don't be selective.
Include ALL the gun deaths no matter the source.

Chicago gun deaths are already up by 50% this year alone and the worst figure for 20 years.

Yes, of course, obama's people went home to run the place. More victimhood politics. Let them kill each other faster, it's what liberal politics does best.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Aaand it's not just Chicago.

You speak as if it's in isolation. It isn't.
It's just one of many.

Now let's see....
How many mass killings have there been anywhere in Europe or UK or Australia compared to the US???
Or any gun deaths, come to think of it.
Do the maths.
Guns, or more exactly, the people that own them, can't be trusted.
The stats bear this out all over the internet no matter where you look.