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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 11:20:14 AM   
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Good deflection. But no cigar.

I'm not paranoid.
I'm safe.
My wife is safe.
My kids are safe.
My friends are safe.

We don't need guns for protection coz we don't have rednecks going round killing people or commiting suicide by shooting themselves.
Our schools are schools rather than improvised prisons.
Our cops aren't usually armed either - it's just not needed most of the time.
We (in general) aren't so paranoid to think we actually need protection.
We don't need gun free zones - the whole godamned country is a gun free zone.

Yet you guys seem to think more guns is preferable.
The stats prove otherwise.
When you lot are awake enough to smell the coffee - I'll make you a fresh pot.


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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 11:25:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Good deflection. But no cigar.

I'm not paranoid.
I'm safe.
My wife is safe.
My kids are safe.
My friends are safe.

We don't need guns for protection coz we don't have rednecks going round killing people or commiting suicide by shooting themselves.
Our schools are schools rather than improvised prisons.
Our cops aren't usually armed either - it's just not needed most of the time.
We (in general) aren't so paranoid to think we actually need protection.
We don't need gun free zones - the whole godamned country is a gun free zone.

Yet you guys seem to think more guns is preferable.
The stats prove otherwise.
When you lot are awake enough to smell the coffee - I'll make you a fresh pot.


Lol, except it's not rednecks. It's the victims made by liberal control. Perhaps you'll Google who it is. However, I'm pretty sure you won't because then you'll have to go off the politically correct reservation where they provide you all of that sweet kool aid. You'd have to actually come out of your paranoia haze if you really looked at what is happening. Which, I'm sure you won't do so it really makes no sense even paying attention to you.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 12:04:35 PM   
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I'm not in a paranoid haze or paranoid anything - you lot are.
Paranoid and delusional.

To me, a redneck is someone who can't see beyond their nose coz it suits them; not open to new ideas or shuns the obvious that everyone else can see.
That pretty much describes all you gun nuts in the US.

And in case you weren't aware, I lived in the US in NC and FL for 8 months - and not as a tourist.


I'm not gonna argue with idiotic numbskulls.
You carry on shooting yourselves.
One day you'll see the light.


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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 12:11:18 PM   
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I'm not in a paranoid haze or paranoid anything - you lot are.
Paranoid and delusional.

To me, a redneck is someone who can't see beyond their nose coz it suits them; not open to new ideas or shuns the obvious that everyone else can see.
That pretty much describes all you gun nuts in the US.

And in case you weren't aware, I lived in the US in NC and FL for 8 months - and not as a tourist.


I'm not gonna argue with idiotic numbskulls.
You carry on shooting yourselves.
One day you'll see the light.


Ah, I see, 8 months in NC does make you an expert. I'm sorry, I can't help laughing my ass off while responding to you, forgive the typos that creates. I do notice you blithely skipped over the "who was actually shooting" part of the email. I know, I know, condition of the kool aid haze.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 12:44:14 PM   
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From the FBI
Crimes and population size. For 2015
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/preliminary-semiannual-uniform-crime-report-januaryjune-2015/tables/table-1,
Its quite interesting...



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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 2:17:18 PM   
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Aaand it's not just Chicago.

You speak as if it's in isolation. It isn't.
It's just one of many.

Now let's see....
How many mass killings have there been anywhere in Europe or UK or Australia compared to the US???
Or any gun deaths, come to think of it.
Do the maths.
Guns, or more exactly, the people that own them, can't be trusted.
The stats bear this out all over the internet no matter where you look.



You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 2:18:33 PM   
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Guns don't kill people: monkeys do (if they have a gun).

Or Eboli

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 2:20:19 PM   
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I'm not in a paranoid haze or paranoid anything - you lot are.
Paranoid and delusional.

To me, a redneck is someone who can't see beyond their nose coz it suits them; not open to new ideas or shuns the obvious that everyone else can see.
That pretty much describes all you gun nuts in the US.

And in case you weren't aware, I lived in the US in NC and FL for 8 months - and not as a tourist.


I'm not gonna argue with idiotic numbskulls.
You carry on shooting yourselves.
One day you'll see the light.


So you are a redneck.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 2:37:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm not in a paranoid haze or paranoid anything - you lot are.
Paranoid and delusional.

To me, a redneck is someone who can't see beyond their nose coz it suits them; not open to new ideas or shuns the obvious that everyone else can see.
That pretty much describes all you gun nuts in the US.

And in case you weren't aware, I lived in the US in NC and FL for 8 months - and not as a tourist.


I'm not gonna argue with idiotic numbskulls.
You carry on shooting yourselves.
One day you'll see the light.


Ah, I see, 8 months in NC does make you an expert. I'm sorry, I can't help laughing my ass off while responding to you, forgive the typos that creates. I do notice you blithely skipped over the "who was actually shooting" part of the email. I know, I know, condition of the kool aid haze.

I don't claim to be an expert and never have done.
But many non-US people on here have never been to the US - I have, and not a week's holiday to Orlando. So I do have a little better perspective than someone who's never been there.
And if you bothered to read properly, I said NC and FL.

And just like I don't have to be an expert to know I'd hate living in the Sahara Desert, or in Aleppo, or getting run over by a bus, I do know I wouldn't like living in a country who's gun culture is such that I could get shot the moment I left the airport or my kids get blown away while at school or at the local mall or my wife getting her head blown off by some gun-crazed asshole who wants her purse.
We just don't have that sort of anxiety or that many gun deaths to feel the need to have a gun.
It's not us with the paranoia, much to your chagrin.
You have lived in it for sooo long you can't see the wood for the trees.
Those of us on the outside can see it as plain as a carbuncle on the end of your nose.

So yeah, tell me you'll jump for joy at having your guns at the next mass shooting or senseless gun murder.
You'll be all 'woe is me' and 'why didn't somebody stop this crazy shit'.
We're telling you how but you don't wanna listen like the NRA and all you other gun nuts.
Asshat rednecks of the first degree.

Definition of redneck (Merriam Webster): 2 often disparaging : a person whose behavior and opinions are similar to those attributed to rednecks.


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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 2:46:28 PM   
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You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:01:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I'm not in a paranoid haze or paranoid anything - you lot are.
Paranoid and delusional.

To me, a redneck is someone who can't see beyond their nose coz it suits them; not open to new ideas or shuns the obvious that everyone else can see.
That pretty much describes all you gun nuts in the US.

And in case you weren't aware, I lived in the US in NC and FL for 8 months - and not as a tourist.


I'm not gonna argue with idiotic numbskulls.
You carry on shooting yourselves.
One day you'll see the light.


Ah, I see, 8 months in NC does make you an expert. I'm sorry, I can't help laughing my ass off while responding to you, forgive the typos that creates. I do notice you blithely skipped over the "who was actually shooting" part of the email. I know, I know, condition of the kool aid haze.

I don't claim to be an expert and never have done.
But many non-US people on here have never been to the US - I have, and not a week's holiday to Orlando. So I do have a little better perspective than someone who's never been there.
And if you bothered to read properly, I said NC and FL.

And just like I don't have to be an expert to know I'd hate living in the Sahara Desert, or in Aleppo, or getting run over by a bus, I do know I wouldn't like living in a country who's gun culture is such that I could get shot the moment I left the airport or my kids get blown away while at school or at the local mall or my wife getting her head blown off by some gun-crazed asshole who wants her purse.
We just don't have that sort of anxiety or that many gun deaths to feel the need to have a gun.
It's not us with the paranoia, much to your chagrin.
You have lived in it for sooo long you can't see the wood for the trees.
Those of us on the outside can see it as plain as a carbuncle on the end of your nose.

So yeah, tell me you'll jump for joy at having your guns at the next mass shooting or senseless gun murder.
You'll be all 'woe is me' and 'why didn't somebody stop this crazy shit'.
We're telling you how but you don't wanna listen like the NRA and all you other gun nuts.
Asshat rednecks of the first degree.

Definition of redneck (Merriam Webster): 2 often disparaging : a person whose behavior and opinions are similar to those attributed to rednecks.


Your minders must have re supplied your kool aid. You like that hazy feeling don't you?

I shortened NC and FL for brevity. I know I shouldn't have. Little minds like yours find whining about stuff like that fulfilling when they have no real thoughts to add to a conversation.

Your analogies to Sahara and Aleppo aren't valid arguments. Can you tell me why. I'm betting no.

Nobody gets shot in NC....okay or FL....on the way into town from the airport. The fact that you even spout such nonsense just shows you really have no clue what you're talking about even though, I know, Bama has been trying to educate you on this for some time. Do we know what you call a person that cannot learn? Well, one thing we call them is not worth the time it takes to talk to them.

From everything I've ever seen you say on here, I'm very sure that you shouldn't try and project what I'm thinking, what brings me joy, or brings me sorrow. You'd actually have to have a heart and a brain to try and I just don't see evidence of either in you.

As I do understand that as one of the truly passive aggressive haters on here you won't stop until you have the last word, you may have it now. I'm going to take my own advise and disengage from worthless discussion with you.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:02:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


Lets see Chicago and DC both banned most firearms and made the ownership of the rest almost impossible, have you never heard of Heller?
If you don't even know that much you should not even be in this conversation.
They didn't even allow gun stores in either city until Heller.
It is still virtually impossible to get a permit to own in either, in DC the firearm has to be of an approved color.

Your definition of redneck presumes (wrongly in your case) that the reader knows how a redneck thinks.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:04:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


300 in one shot, you heard about that didn't you.
Press to the contrary mass killings here, as is all crime, is in decline.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:09:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


Lets see Chicago and DC both banned most firearms and made the ownership of the rest almost impossible, have you never heard of Heller?
If you don't even know that much you should not even be in this conversation.
They didn't even allow gun stores in either city until Heller.
It is still virtually impossible to get a permit to own in either, in DC the firearm has to be of an approved color.

Your definition of redneck presumes (wrongly in your case) that the reader knows how a redneck thinks.

It wasn't just Heller, that was only for...as the liberals claimed,...federal territories. MacDonald was specific to Chicago and other non federal jurisdictions. Of course this (cough cough) person doesn't have a clue about that which you are talking or else he wouldn't have stated what he did. It just shows ignints.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:12:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


300 in one shot, you heard about that didn't you.
Press to the contrary mass killings here, as is all crime, is in decline.

Bama, just ignore the whole "mass killings" thing. It's just a liberal way to get attention like saying "assault rifle". They'll make up definitions so it sounds "so horrible" and then use it against you to bring emotion into a logical argument. Don't let them control the conversation by letting them define terms.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:14:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


Lets see Chicago and DC both banned most firearms and made the ownership of the rest almost impossible, have you never heard of Heller?
If you don't even know that much you should not even be in this conversation.
They didn't even allow gun stores in either city until Heller.
It is still virtually impossible to get a permit to own in either, in DC the firearm has to be of an approved color.

Your definition of redneck presumes (wrongly in your case) that the reader knows how a redneck thinks.

It wasn't just Heller, that was only for...as the liberals claimed, federal territories. MacDonald was specific to Chicago and other non federal jurisdictions. Of course this (cough cough) person doesn't have a clue about that which you are talking or else he wouldn't have stated what he did. It just shows ignints.

I'm betting he's googling very fast now so he can sound all smarty pants about it in some snide come back. Hehe.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:21:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


Lets see Chicago and DC both banned most firearms and made the ownership of the rest almost impossible, have you never heard of Heller?
If you don't even know that much you should not even be in this conversation.
They didn't even allow gun stores in either city until Heller.
It is still virtually impossible to get a permit to own in either, in DC the firearm has to be of an approved color.

Your definition of redneck presumes (wrongly in your case) that the reader knows how a redneck thinks.

It wasn't just Heller, that was only for...as the liberals claimed, federal territories. MacDonald was specific to Chicago and other non federal jurisdictions. Of course this (cough cough) person doesn't have a clue about that which you are talking or else he wouldn't have stated what he did. It just shows ignints.

I was keeping in to Heller as I wanted to make it easy for him to research and not confuse him.
MacDonald was an expansion of Heller, as you know.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


300 in one shot, you heard about that didn't you.
Press to the contrary mass killings here, as is all crime, is in decline.

Bama, just ignore the whole "mass killings" thing. It's just a liberal way to get attention like saying "assault rifle". They'll make up definitions so it sounds "so horrible" and then use it against you to bring emotion into a logical argument. Don't let them control the conversation by letting them define terms.

I know but I love it when they march into something that, by their own definitions proves they are full of it.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:29:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


300 in one shot, you heard about that didn't you.
Press to the contrary mass killings here, as is all crime, is in decline.

Bama, just ignore the whole "mass killings" thing. It's just a liberal way to get attention like saying "assault rifle". They'll make up definitions so it sounds "so horrible" and then use it against you to bring emotion into a logical argument. Don't let them control the conversation by letting them define terms.

I know but I love it when they march into something that, by their own definitions proves they are full of it.

10-4, I'll try not to spoil your fun anymore. I'm betting this person would have marched in with the band playing. Have at it.

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RE: GROW UP AMERICA - 9/11/2016 3:32:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have been holding Chicago up as an example, and it is, it is a perfect example of what happens when you disarm the innocents, DC is an even better example.
Over the last two years, France has lost far more people in mass killings than the US.

So now you are saying decent law-abiding people in Chicago and DC were disarmed?
Got a cite for that?

And I don't think France has lost more people in mass killings (not terrorism events) than the US.
You'll need to provide a decent reputable cite for that opinion for me to believe that.


When they pass a gun law the only people they disarm are the ones who obey the law, the law only directly affects the decent law abiding people.
As we have seen in Chicago and DC the thugs not only ignore the law but feel safe to use all other weapons as well.

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