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So then you admit there are no records and the 6 million jews is a fantasy number that someone dreamed up is that it? Auschwitz and birkenau are the same place, you can help vince account for the 4 million alleged in auschwitz alone that is now reduced to only 1 million "TOTAL", where 75% of the alleged victims never existed.

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Not only does lidar show that NO mass graves exists not even small graves,

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If anyone asks why those trials are still needed here you have the answer: to find more witnesses as long as there is the chance.

Witness testimony was abundant in Adolph Eichmann's 1968 trial. Only a few loony tunes deny the Holocaust occurred. So, I wonder at the motivation to continue trying these old men? What's brewing in the German social mind at this late date? Is the guilt still a huge burden? Is that why so many refugees were admitted from Syria? Wondering? Must have been difficult coming of age in those circumstances.

Good questions for sure. But I can't speak for the "German social mind" but rather just for me as an individual. The "guilt" as a burden, either collective or individual, I 'd say is not an issue. We are talking about the generation of great-grandparents and grandparents, in many cases deceased long ago, some of them I never met and feel no personal responsibility for their actions I know nothing about. As a member of the German public the point is rather that many cases did not go to trial in the past decades and the public (if ever) wants to know what happened. Time is running out to take records.

A connection to the response to last year's refugee crisis? Not because of "guilt" for sure. If any historical link then because about a quarter of the German population were refugees themselves or their descendants and post war Germany had to and did cope with several millions of them. I remember my grandmother who had fled as an 8 year old crying for hours when she saw Syrian children last year and saying it was just like what happened to her and she re-lived her memories again, and horrible memories these were indeed.

One should also never forget that there were Germans on both sides of the camps' barbed wires. I got ancestors who were inside and ancestors outside the camps (not my choice). During the first postwar decades hardly anyone wanted to talk about what happened and who did what. That silence affected the next generations also, in many ways, to find out what was behind those family mysteries. What did great-grandpa X really do within those years who wears party regalia on every of the few pics in the family photoalbum and who was killed on the front in '45? Who and what got grand-grand-grand-cousin Y out of Haar before euthanasia started? This sort of questions affected many in my parents' generation who could not get any informations.

Prosecution of crimes was done by the Allies, and soon affected by cold war too; one should also know that many important records like the Berlin Document Center holding the NSDAP party files were in Allied hands and in many ways off limits for Germans; many files in Russian archives still are. So indeed many things were swept under the carpet, in public as well as in private life. The trials changed that. They have never been popular, and the discussions just like here on the board have been going on for decades in Germany. In a few years these things will be buried in archives and history books, but while there is still a chance to get personal statements from eyewitnesses that chance should be used. And so far every trial revealed evidence unknown before.

It may be unpleasant for those on trial now in their 90s, but so it was in the past decades when those on trial then were in their 70s or 80s - the discussion pops up every time with the same arguments. These trials are still important though I think. They did not stop war crimes from happening after 1945 but I think it is important to demonstrate that no war criminal (whether German or not) should feel safe from prosecution ever.

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Not only does lidar show that NO mass graves exists not even small graves,

btw everyone can try a search for "treblinka+lidar" and find that obviously quite the opposite was really found there

But you seem to believe you know better what the research team found there than the research team itself.

Maybe compare with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Sturdy_Colls
Research head of the team there

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Mass graves ? Why would a mass grave be needed when they had the crematoria ? Anything left after the cremations would possibly have been scattered in the surrounding forests or fields.

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Mass graves ? Why would a mass grave be needed when they had the crematoria ? Anything left after the cremations would possibly have been scattered in the surrounding forests or fields.

The crematoria came later.

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So then you admit there are no records and the 6 million jews is a fantasy number that someone dreamed up is that it? Auschwitz and birkenau are the same place, you can help vince account for the 4 million alleged in auschwitz alone that is now reduced to only 1 million "TOTAL", where 75% of the alleged victims never existed.

Well, good for you RO! I am happy to see you are no longer denying the Holocaust. Now, you are just dickering about the number of victims.

It matters not if they were three million or eight million victims. The significance of the Holocaust is that it was the first ever state sponsored industrialized mass extinction of humans. The victims were carried on assembly lines of trains and trucks from all corners of Europe to killing factories in Germany and Poland predominantly after the Eisenstadtgrupen had run out of bullets and the Wermacht was in retreat. The squeeze was on. Hitler was running out of time and space. Why would they bother to register people they intended to kill? Of course, they didn't register them. They died in anonymity. Not only were they killed, they were robbed of their identity and their individuality. That is what makes the crime all the more awful and your denial and dickering all the more grotesque.

Germany ran out of bullets are you fucking serious?

Yeh it matters Vince.

Yes a 3 million counting error of dead jews in ONE CAMP ALONE is a number too big to be an error.

It ranks as a bold faced LIE Vince. It means that were LIED to by gobblmint, media, academic institutions.

How can the truth be suppressed on such a large scale Vince?

How did Hitler gas a jew every 30 seconds from the very first day the war started to the last day of the war and have time to kill anyone else?

I asked you for documents and facts and you have provided exactly ZERO.


So then you too are claiming you have no clue what so ever how many jews were gassed, that you accepted a wooden nickels as fact because the media told you it was true is that it?

Did it occur to you that just maybe the counting error is nothing more than a LIE, and no one died in anonymity? Did that thought even cross your mind?

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Very true Vincent and a few of the mass graves were dug up and the remains burned I believe. Not all of them though. By that time the job was probably too big to handle maybe.

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Not only does lidar show that NO mass graves exists not even small graves,

btw everyone can try a search for "treblinka+lidar" and find that obviously quite the opposite was really found there

But you seem to believe you know better what the research team found there than the research team itself.

Maybe compare with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Sturdy_Colls
Research head of the team there

The video shows all the fraudulent methods caroline used to produce the text you provided pretending to be facts.

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Not only does lidar show that NO mass graves exists not even small graves,

btw everyone can try a search for "treblinka+lidar" and find that obviously quite the opposite was really found there

But you seem to believe you know better what the research team found there than the research team itself.

Maybe compare with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Sturdy_Colls
Research head of the team there

The video shows all the fraudulent methods caroline used to produce the text you provided pretending to be facts.

So it is your testimony against hers.

Well since I see a bit of, let's call it different level of scientific research standards, as well as public documentation of research findings, you have to deliver more quality evidence than what you did so far (which was neither evidence nor of any quality to support your claims).

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well - to put it mildly:

everybody can post everything on youtube

youtube videos are evidence only for the mindset of those who post it

if that's all you have as "evidence" you have no clue what evidence means

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well - to put it mildly:

everybody can post everything on youtube

youtube videos are evidence only for the mindset of those who post it

if that's all you have as "evidence" you have no clue what evidence means

yes and everyone can post anything on your wiki cite, even me since I too have a wiki account.

Well the courts accept the evidence I provide so I guess you have some esoteric knowledge the courts dont.

I posted video evidence that could easily be entered into any court, since video evidence is ALSO put on youtube.

Seems you joined the dysfunctional cognitively dissonant denialists, got any more imagined deaths, 12 million maybe?

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Mass graves ? Why would a mass grave be needed when they had the crematoria ? Anything left after the cremations would possibly have been scattered in the surrounding forests or fields.

The crematoria came later.

What crematoria? no one has every found it. got a pic? constructions drawings? areial photos? archealogoical evidence maybe?

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Mass graves ? Why would a mass grave be needed when they had the crematoria ? Anything left after the cremations would possibly have been scattered in the surrounding forests or fields.

The crematoria came later.

What crematoria? no one has every found it. got a pic? constructions drawings? areial photos? archealogoical evidence maybe?

here the pic -
and since I am not sure the uploading worked here a link to it on the net
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Stangl#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-F0918-0201-001,_KZ_Treblinka,_Lageplan_(Zeichnung)_II.jpg

It is filed in the Bundesarchiv, and apparently was made by the Lagerkommandant Franz Stangl himself or following his descriptions under his supervision.

You yourself gave the hint about the lidar archaeological survey - the results obviously are not to your liking.

I asked for construction drawings not some american artists version you want to fake everyone out into believing is valid.

What you posted is evidence of the fraud not fact

and yet another statement:





your posts are rank amateur.






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