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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/21/2016 5:13:11 AM   
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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/21/2016 5:26:10 AM   
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Incidentally, what EXACTLY is he charged with ? He was a medic. Are they claiming he did "experiments" or something or is just being there enough ? What are the specific charges ?

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/21/2016 5:38:14 AM   
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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/21/2016 6:27:55 AM   
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Incidentally, what EXACTLY is he charged with ? He was a medic. Are they claiming he did "experiments" or something or is just being there enough ? What are the specific charges ?

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As far as I can understand he was charged for being "an accessory." He was not indicted for any specific individual actions. Simply for being a part of the machine. Raises the question: why aren't the cooks, dish washers, and train engineers also indicted? I suspect the answer to the WHY of this trial lies in the observation that there are some 28 (?) co-plaintiffs survivors. Co-plaintiffs in a criminal trial? Is this a last gasp attempt by Holocaust survivors to gain a measure of justice for their own solace? In any case, I find the recent trials of four very old men to be a very disturbing spectacle. This last trial has been postponed for the fifth time due to the defendant's ill health. The plaintiffs have filed a motion for the judge to recuse himself for bias. The judge said it may take him several weeks to read the plaintiffs' motion. One might suspect the judge thinks the whole thing is farcical.

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/21/2016 7:28:10 AM   
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Incidentally, what EXACTLY is he charged with ? He was a medic. Are they claiming he did "experiments" or something or is just being there enough ? What are the specific charges ?

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The medics worked the gas chambers.

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/21/2016 9:30:19 AM   
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Incidentally, what EXACTLY is he charged with ? He was a medic. Are they claiming he did "experiments" or something or is just being there enough ? What are the specific charges ?

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The medics worked the gas chambers.

Guilt by association then. No evidence and no accusations that Hubert Zafke worked the gas chambers.

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/21/2016 9:31:51 AM   
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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 4:29:44 AM   
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Incidentally, what EXACTLY is he charged with ? He was a medic. Are they claiming he did "experiments" or something or is just being there enough ? What are the specific charges ?

Please tell us what the job of the ss was?

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 4:43:24 AM   
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Guilt by association then. No evidence and no accusations that Hubert Zafke worked the gas chambers.

You are missing the point vince. The point is that the job of the ss as an entity is the issue. The train drivers etc are not part of the ss. If we look to the job title and duties of a member of the ss then it becomes clear that he is part of a gang of thugs whose purpose was to exterminate jews and other "undesirables" (as listed by the government).
Google can acquaint you with the ss and it's origin. Consequently if you were ss and worked in your "primary mos" as an "exterminator" then you are ipso facto guilty of murder whether you just herded them into the gas chamber or the one who dropped the poison canister or the camp commander. In this country if you are part of a gang that robs a bank you are guilty of bank robery even if you were not actually in the bank.

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 6:47:51 AM   
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In this country if you are part of a gang that robs a bank you are guilty of bank robery even if you were not actually in the bank.

I hear you, Tommy. But sitting behind the wheel of a getaway car shows intent.

Zafke is charged with being an accomplice because:

Zafke was responsible for treating SS members in case of sickness, not any of the inmates, but prosecutors say he was stationed directly on the path leading to the gas chambers. source

So, he must have known what was going on. Sure, he must have known but what was he to do about it? Tell them to stop?

The old man has already spent three years in jail and may be suffering dementia.

German law allows "victims" to act as co-prosecutors and give testimony even if they never saw Zafke. Just a show trial in my opinion and totally unnecessary.



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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 8:08:51 AM   
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So, go in the army, and when told to kill, refuse.

What do you think will happen ?

And I do not believe the medics ran the gas chambers.

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 12:35:27 PM   
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"How is it that you think that the police are not civilians? "

When they are on duty they are not. Also, in many places there are required to carry their gun at all times even off duty when in public.

So can thee and me and we are civilians

That is not a civilian.

Yes it is dumbass.


A civilian does not have the right to tell me to put my gun down, lay down on the ground or put my hands on the car and search my pockets, my car, my house. A civilian does not have the right to put handcuffs on me and put me in a cage.


Yes they do it is called a citizens arrest.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


So how is it you think they are civilians, stupidity ?


Try reading the constitution dumbass. The military are not allowed to act as cops except when martial law has been declared.
If you knew anything about smedley butler you would know he was fired as the chief of police of philladelphia because he was using active dutry marines as cops.

You've proven that with your stupid shit like calling people stupid and saying all kinds of shit that is utter bullshit about them.


Truth is an absolute defense.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


You need to grow up.

You need to get a grown up to help you with a dictionary and learn the definition of civilian.


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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 12:50:20 PM   
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So, go in the army, and when told to kill, refuse.

What do you think will happen ?

And I do not believe the medics ran the gas chambers.

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Believe what you want.
They didn't trust the enlisted men to do that, and the officers thought it was beneath them.

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 12:52:56 PM   
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In this country if you are part of a gang that robs a bank you are guilty of bank robery even if you were not actually in the bank.


I hear you, Tommy. But sitting behind the wheel of a getaway car shows intent.

You may hear me vincent but you are not listening to what I say. He was a member of a gang of thugs whose job it was to exterminate the "undesirables". Google can tell you what it required to be a member of the ss and precisely what they did.




Zafke is charged with being an accomplice because:

Zafke was responsible for treating SS members in case of sickness, not any of the inmates, but prosecutors say he was stationed directly on the path leading to the gas chambers. source

So, he must have known what was going on. Sure, he must have known but what was he to do about it? Tell them to stop?


Google could show you how many said "I am not a murderer ,I want a transfer to a real soldiers job. The germans, if nothing else, were good record keepers.



The old man has already spent three years in jail and may be suffering dementia.


I don't care how old he is or how sick he is hang that piece of shit.


German law allows "victims" to act as co-prosecutors and give testimony even if they never saw Zafke. Just a show trial in my opinion and totally unnecessary.


Nurenburg was a show trial...a trial to show everyone that thugs who commit genocide will be hanged.

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 1:12:37 PM   
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Nurenburg was a show trial...a trial to show everyone that thugs who commit genocide will be hanged.
So, how did that work out for My Lai, Cambodia, Kosovo, Rwanda, and Palestine?

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 4:03:47 PM   
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Nurenburg was a show trial...a trial to show everyone that thugs who commit genocide will be hanged.
So, how did that work out for My Lai, Cambodia, Kosovo, Rwanda, and Palestine?



tommy flech said that?

It showed that thugs like eisenshitter and crookhill covered up and got away with mass murder and genocide of 1/2 million refugees TERROR bombing nonmilitary targets and burning every living thing in the towns alive.





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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/22/2016 9:18:03 PM   
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Nurenburg was a show trial...a trial to show everyone that thugs who commit genocide will be hanged.


So, how did that work out for My Lai,


What do you think the verdict and penality would have been for cally and medina if they had been tried by the vietnamese?

Cambodia,


I am pretty sure pol pot is dead.


Kosovo,

Milosevic was exonerated but he died in custody.
Radovan Karadzic is doing 49 large in the cross bar motel.

Rwanda,

Akayesu is doing life without parole.


and Palestine?

That is still a combat zone


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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/23/2016 4:38:05 AM   
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Yes they do it is called a citizens arrest.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid. "

Try it sometime. It is called unlawful detention and is a felony. The only civilians, at least in this state who can do that are licensed fugitive recovery agents for bail bondsmen.

What makes you so detached from reality ?

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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/23/2016 4:53:44 AM   
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"A civilian does not have the right to put handcuffs on me and put me in a cage.


Yes they do it is called a citizens arrest.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid. "

Try it sometime. It is called unlawful detention and is a felony. The only civilians, at least in this state who can do that are licensed fugitive recovery agents for bail bondsmen.



Ohio's “citizen's arrest” law, found in section 2935.04 of the Ohio Revised Code,



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RE: 95 Year old German medic on trial for - 9/23/2016 8:06:19 PM   
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Nurenburg was a show trial...a trial to show everyone that thugs who commit genocide will be hanged.


So, how did that work out for My Lai,


What do you think the verdict and penality would have been for cally and medina if they had been tried by the vietnamese?

Cambodia,


I am pretty sure pol pot is dead.


Kosovo,

Milosevic was exonerated but he died in custody.
Radovan Karadzic is doing 49 large in the cross bar motel.

Rwanda,

Akayesu is doing life without parole.


and Palestine?

That is still a combat zone


You missed my point. The disasters I listed occurred despite the Nuremberg trials.

Palestine is under the boots of an occupying power.

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