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BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/24/2016 6:37:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Ok, 52% of murders are committed by blacks.
Blacks are almost always murdered by other blacks.
Even if the gross numbers are higher for whites, there would be a higher concentration of murders, and other crimes, in black neighborhoods thus a greater concentration of police attention.
You want the people at the greatest risk to have less protection?
That is your choice, more police to protect them, even if the residents are paranoid enough to think those cops are after them.
Or pull out and leave them defensless?

When NYC police ceased their two decades long stop and frisk tactics in minority neighborhoods . . . . . crime rates went down!

It is the quality of attention rather than the quantity that seems to matter.

The President's Commission on Community Policing (I think it is called but I'm not sure) tasks the Justice Department to support community policing strategies. Getting to know the members of the community seems to be more effective a strategy than flying rambo squads. Actually, community policing philosophy began decades ago. The Charlotte Mayor keeps referring to the "partners" but community policing requires commitment on both sides. The protests as well as the behavior of police don't speak well of the effort in that city.

The following issues have been found to assist
police departments engage in effective community policing efforts:

Form community partnerships with a wide-range of partners, above and beyond active resident groups

Increase the department’s accessibility to the residents it serves

Train personnel at every level of the department in best practices in community policing

Work towards increasing officer buy-in about the benefits of the community policing philosophy

Prioritize sustained and meaningful commitment by the department’s leadership to the community policing philosophy

Integrate community policing activities into performance evaluation systems

Continue to support systematic and standardized problem solving approaches

A 2010 summary of the ten most rigorous studies on the effectiveness of SARA-based problem-oriented policing between 1993 and 2006 concluded that these efforts achieved statistically-significant reductions in crime and disorder in their affected cities.


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There is much more explanatory information in the linked article.

The problem I see with your comments is that they only reflect one strategy of policing . . . . a rather old and outdated strategy.

That claim is interesting since stop and frisk was a major component of slashing the crime rate at the begining of this century.
Now did the crime rate drop because they no longer found out about crimes?
Stop and frisk was the only way they found out about many people carring weapons who, by law, were not allowed to.




thompsonx -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/24/2016 6:43:37 PM)


ORIGINAL: BamaD


That claim is interesting since stop and frisk was a major component of slashing the crime rate at the begining of this century.
Now did the crime rate drop because they no longer found out about crimes?
Stop and frisk was the only way they found out about many people carring weapons who, by law, were not allowed to.


Perhaps when you make shit up you believe it no matter how phoquing stupid it is.[8|]




BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/24/2016 8:22:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Ok, 52% of murders are committed by blacks.
Blacks are almost always murdered by other blacks.
Even if the gross numbers are higher for whites, there would be a higher concentration of murders, and other crimes, in black neighborhoods thus a greater concentration of police attention.
You want the people at the greatest risk to have less protection?
That is your choice, more police to protect them, even if the residents are paranoid enough to think those cops are after them.
Or pull out and leave them defensless?

When NYC police ceased their two decades long stop and frisk tactics in minority neighborhoods . . . . . crime rates went down!

It is the quality of attention rather than the quantity that seems to matter.

The President's Commission on Community Policing (I think it is called but I'm not sure) tasks the Justice Department to support community policing strategies. Getting to know the members of the community seems to be more effective a strategy than flying rambo squads. Actually, community policing philosophy began decades ago. The Charlotte Mayor keeps referring to the "partners" but community policing requires commitment on both sides. The protests as well as the behavior of police don't speak well of the effort in that city.

The following issues have been found to assist
police departments engage in effective community policing efforts:

Form community partnerships with a wide-range of partners, above and beyond active resident groups

Increase the department’s accessibility to the residents it serves

Train personnel at every level of the department in best practices in community policing

Work towards increasing officer buy-in about the benefits of the community policing philosophy

Prioritize sustained and meaningful commitment by the department’s leadership to the community policing philosophy

Integrate community policing activities into performance evaluation systems

Continue to support systematic and standardized problem solving approaches

A 2010 summary of the ten most rigorous studies on the effectiveness of SARA-based problem-oriented policing between 1993 and 2006 concluded that these efforts achieved statistically-significant reductions in crime and disorder in their affected cities.


source

There is much more explanatory information in the linked article.

The problem I see with your comments is that they only reflect one strategy of policing . . . . a rather old and outdated strategy.

That claim is interesting since stop and frisk was a major component of slashing the crime rate at the begining of this century.
Now did the crime rate drop because they no longer found out about crimes?
Stop and frisk was the only way they found out about many people carring weapons who, by law, were not allowed to.

How about the city government not ordering the police to "aggressively" enforce a law to stop the selling of "loosies" thus increasing the number of confrontations between the cops and the people.
How not about ordering the police to make more arrests at a particular locations then claim that they didn't have a law to enforce when they know that while what they arrest someone for is leagal in the state but not in the city.
Maybe they shouldn't "give them room to destroy"
Maybe they shouldn't turn down NG help and get enough manpower to keep the rioters from placing the city under siege.
You are likely to live in a nicer safer neighborhood than I do and thus have less an idea of things than I do even if I am white, mostly black neighborhood but the whites who live around here are as good, and as bad as the blacks.




kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/24/2016 9:10:00 PM)

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...why can't you see where this rage is venting on the wrong people....It should be directed at themselves first...only they can stop the killing. Blacks make up 35% of Charlottes population but 70% of the murders.

Butch




BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/24/2016 9:16:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...why can't you see where this rage is venting on the wrong people....It should be directed at themselves first...only they can stop the killing. Blacks make up 35% of Charlottes population but 70% of the murders.

Butch

Every one of those 44 were the result of white oppression, don't you know that.
Besides, as a white man you can't know what you are talking about.
From what you have said in the past I suspect that you don't live in a nice safe, lily white neighborhood either.




stef -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/24/2016 9:51:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

That's a bogus comparison Butch. Were those people being paid to "protect and serve" the people in their community?





vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 6:49:07 AM)

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That claim is interesting since stop and frisk was a major component of slashing the crime rate at the begining of this century.
Now did the crime rate drop because they no longer found out about crimes?
Stop and frisk was the only way they found out about many people carring weapons who, by law, were not allowed to.


I linked to a lot of information about stop and frisk earlier in this thread. I will not repeat it here. Sufficient to say your claim is bullshit. S&F found relatively few people with unlawful guns in NYC and astonishingly most that were found were in the pockets of white folks. Google it. You endlessly make statements dreamed up from your own ignorance of the facts. You are just making shit up.

What I find more interesting is that you do not even address the information I provided on Community Policing.

You have your opinion and you will not be confused by facts.




vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 6:55:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...why can't you see where this rage is venting on the wrong people....It should be directed at themselves first...only they can stop the killing. Blacks make up 35% of Charlottes population but 70% of the murders.

Butch

I fail to see where I convicted the cops of anything. This entire incident was unnecessary and tragic. The cops, it is reported, had an arrest warrant for another person. Instead, they stopped with an unmarked car and surrounded a man sitting peacefully in his own car. How the fuck can that be justified?

You also fail to address the fact that there are other successful police strategies available.




vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 7:02:31 AM)

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I live in a minority (mostly) neighborhood, where I meet the police often. Once a cop questioned me about standing on my own porch.
But I guess since I am white I am not allowed to have an opinion.


And you don't see anything abusive and intrusive about that? Amazing.




vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 7:15:38 AM)

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I'm sorry Vince I am just not as distrustful as you when it comes to our law enforcement.


Butch, the question is not whether you or I are distrustful of the police.

The question is WHY black communities across the nation are distrustful of the police.

Hell, we know that police in America have an institutional history of abuse of power and authority. They have an institutional history of trampling on people's civil rights. Hence, the Miranda ruling. And since the "war on drugs" local police have increasingly become militarized. You don't see a problem there but I do.




kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 8:51:39 AM)

How can it be bogus? When 44 people are murdered and IGNORED... every one of those men women and children are just as important as this man who may, when the evidence is in, have deserved what happened to him.

It is not that this investigation is not important and justice must be brought to bear if necessary, but it is by magnitudes less deadly than black on black crime.

Butch







vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 11:10:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

How can it be bogus? When 44 people are murdered and IGNORED... every one of those men women and children are just as important as this man who may, when the evidence is in, have deserved what happened to him.

It is not that this investigation is not important and justice must be brought to bear if necessary, but it is by magnitudes less deadly than black on black crime.

Butch

You are avoiding the question, Butch. Why are black communities and now black athletes protesting blue on black shootings? You keep turning your face away.




BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 2:13:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...why can't you see where this rage is venting on the wrong people....It should be directed at themselves first...only they can stop the killing. Blacks make up 35% of Charlottes population but 70% of the murders.

Butch

I fail to see where I convicted the cops of anything. This entire incident was unnecessary and tragic. The cops, it is reported, had an arrest warrant for another person. Instead, they stopped with an unmarked car and surrounded a man sitting peacefully in his own car. How the fuck can that be justified?

You also fail to address the fact that there are other successful police strategies available.

Right, the cops were completly wrong, and their actions were completly unjustifiable, but you have not assumed them to be guilty of anything.




Lucylastic -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 2:36:46 PM)

they managed to take down a terrorist without killing him.
but scott is justifiable?
no




WickedsDesire -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 2:38:56 PM)

any women here ffs




BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 2:45:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML

quote:

I live in a minority (mostly) neighborhood, where I meet the police often. Once a cop questioned me about standing on my own porch.
But I guess since I am white I am not allowed to have an opinion.


And you don't see anything abusive and intrusive about that? Amazing.

Nope, it was the middle of the night in a high crime area. He asked me if it was my home and why I was out there, I told him and he went on. I saw it as him looking out for me.
I have been accousted by drug dealers while standing in the same place so it seemed to me he was just doing his job.




kdsub -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 3:50:39 PM)

Vince I am asking the same question.... What they should be asking is why are we murdering our own.




Termyn8or -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 4:26:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

That's a bogus comparison Butch. Were those people being paid to "protect and serve" the people in their community?




Supreme court ruled they have no duty to protect the People. but on their cars it still says "To serve and protect".

Protect whom then ?

T^T




BamaD -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 5:20:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: stef


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

That's a bogus comparison Butch. Were those people being paid to "protect and serve" the people in their community?




Supreme court ruled they have no duty to protect the People. but on their cars it still says "To serve and protect".

Protect whom then ?

T^T

Didn't they actually rule that the police have no obligation to be at the site of every crime, while the crime is in progress?
To say otherwise would be to place an impossible burden on the police or would require a cop on every corner or possibliy a cop serving as a bodyguard for every citizen. It does, however point out the need for individuals need to be able to protect themselves.




vincentML -> RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward (9/25/2016 6:18:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


quote:

ORIGINAL: stef


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Will Vince... I see you have already convicted the officer. More importantly there were 44 blacks killed in Charlotte by blacks last year...

That's a bogus comparison Butch. Were those people being paid to "protect and serve" the people in their community?




Supreme court ruled they have no duty to protect the People. but on their cars it still says "To serve and protect".

Protect whom then ?

T^T

Oh? What is the title of that Ruling, Term?




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