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1st Presidential Debate - 9/26/2016 9:41:50 PM

Greta75

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I know the mainstream media are all touting Hillary to be the winner.

But did she? I thought Trump threw a few really good punches.

Few things that is typical Lib style.

Calling Obama birther issue as Racist. All I can say, if Obama was white, then it wouldn't be racist any more. Don't forget he also went after Ted Cruz about the Birther Issue too. Unless Ted is considered a minority too, I don't know.

We all know Liberal slanted plans is to collect more taxes to fund all their social projects. So Clinton made Trump admit that he does not pay Federal Taxes.

I do not know how US tax system works, but I do know at one point of time when Warren Buffet was supporting raising taxes on the top 1% of America. He revealed that he pays way less taxes than his secretary who was making less than 100k per annum.

So I think it's an open secret that most of the Uber Rich know how to avoid their taxes legally through legal loop holes. I totally expect that of Trump!

I don't even know why is this an issue? The solution is to close all those loopholes. Trump should be the best person who know how this works and where to shut it.

Other than that, the Iraq issue, I think what the media has are public interviews as evidence of his views on Iraq. But personally, Hannity backs him on this, that he was disagreeing with Hannity about Iraq since before the invasion. I believe him on this. And also Trump operates in a very American First type of view, and screw the rest of the world. He'd only support the invasion IF it involves taking their oil. He is not interested in bringing democracy to another country. To me, his positions is very clear. Only invade Iraq IF it benefits America.

I felt he did pretty well in this debate, despite all the media saying that Clinton Won!

That moderator though, was like joining in to attack Trump. He was clearly on Team Clinton side. We need more neutral moderators who ask equal tough questions to both parties.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/26/2016 9:58:43 PM

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All I can say, if Obama was white, then it wouldn't be racist any more.

If Obama were all-white, his birth certificate would probably never have been an issue.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/26/2016 10:00:31 PM

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As for the debate, I made it 30-40 minutes before safewording.

Even my masochism has limits.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/26/2016 11:12:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I know the mainstream media are all touting Hillary to be the winner.

But did she? I thought Trump threw a few really good punches.

So, punches thrown is the criteria we now use to judge who is more bombastic?

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Few things that is typical Lib style.

OK, so we now know your bias.

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Calling Obama birther issue as Racist. All I can say, if Obama was white, then it wouldn't be racist any more. Don't forget he also went after Ted Cruz about the Birther Issue too. Unless Ted is considered a minority too, I don't know.

You live in Singapore? Why is it that you have an opinion on American politics? While I am not enamored by either candidates, I will tell you that what I took away from tonight's debate is that one person presented themselves evenly, without bombast, and addressed, as best they could, the questions. I will let that up to you to decide which that was.

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We all know Liberal slanted plans is to collect more taxes to fund all their social projects. So Clinton made Trump admit that he does not pay Federal Taxes.

Stop it. Please stop it. You do not have a dog on this fight and you should just admit that, and sit quietly in a corner and let those that do offer their opinions offer them. While I will welcome your commentary, I will have to state that you live in a country that is not the USA. Your opinion is welcome, but please stop talking in absolutes.

I will also ask you to define "social projects". I will also ask you, from your own admission, that if you do not understand our politics, why are you commenting on them? I will listen to you, and debate if you want, but you have no investment in this, the future of where you call 'home' is not in question. Mine, however, is in question.

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I do not know how US tax system works, but I do know at one point of time when Warren Buffet was supporting raising taxes on the top 1% of America. He revealed that he pays way less taxes than his secretary who was making less than 100k per annum.

So I think it's an open secret that most of the Uber Rich know how to avoid their taxes legally through legal loop holes. I totally expect that of Trump!

If Trump was smart, he would have said this... "I took advantage of the law for taxes. Don't blame my actions, blame the shitty tax law in the USA, and I want to fix that." He didn't say that. He made himself look like the problem rather than the solution.

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I don't even know why is this an issue? The solution is to close all those loopholes.

Neither do I. I don't know why this is an issue. Your solution is fine. But Trump said it was (implied as) smart business. The USA lets this shit happen. Yet he offered no solution, he just bragged about assfucking the system because he could.

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Trump should be the best person who know how this works and where to shut it.

Did he offer a solution? Did he offer anything but his own self-proclaimed brilliance about taking advantage of the very loopholes he wants to close? No. He didn't.

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Other than that, the Iraq issue, I think what the media has are public interviews as evidence of his views on Iraq.

They do, and they are not good.

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But personally, Hannity backs him on this, that he was disagreeing with Hannity about Iraq since before the invasion.

Because Hannity is stalwart and concrete on his 'spin' of politics.

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I believe him on this. And also Trump operates in a very American First type of view, and screw the rest of the world. He'd only support the invasion IF it involves taking their oil. He is not interested in bringing democracy to another country. To me, his positions is very clear. Only invade Iraq IF it benefits America.

So, we should only invade a country if it benefits America? You know, fuck everyone else involved, as long as it benefits us, kill everyone and 'Merica!!!!

Thank you for not living here and voting.

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I felt he did pretty well in this debate, despite all the media saying that Clinton Won!

Oh, Trump pwoned the debate, unless you actually listened to him. If you did, then you would realize he didn't answer many questions directly, kept hammering about shit that was irrelevant, and basically made a farce of the debate because he cannot check his ego, and let others talk. Good on you... frankly, you live in Singapore. We here in the USA need less people like you.

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That moderator though, was like joining in to attack Trump. He was clearly on Team Clinton side. We need more neutral moderators who ask equal tough questions to both parties.

No, the moderator did not hold the two candidates to the requirements of the rules. This is what I fucking hate about these so called 'debates'. It seems to be in vogue that our political candidates talk over each other, insult one another, and engage in personal shit and do not discuss the question being asked of them. I saw no bias, I saw someone that was left in charge of a debate, relinquishing their power so that chaos reigned supreme. And little, if anything about the true problems that my country faces were addressed.

Greta, I respect you as a community member, your commentary of my country's politics, I find lacking of validity or of substance. If I offered the same opinion of the politics of Singapore, you would likely say the very same thing about me. I find your opinion to be inadequate of validity because you do not live in the USA. I will keep my opinion of the politics of your country to myself, and you should do the same for those that claim residence in mine.

Edited because insomnia and I wanted to be clear. I hope the hell I was.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 12:13:16 AM

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I thought you were very eloquent Gauge.

I like to comment on American politics because I think (this time round particularly) it is farcical.
But like Greta, I have no dog in this fight.

Personally, for the rest of the world (and my American friends), I wish both would pull out and run the process again.
Neither candidate seems fit to to be in office IMHO.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 12:49:18 AM

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If Obama were all-white, his birth certificate would probably never have been an issue.

How do you explain him questioning if Ted Cruz's birth place makes him eligible to be President?
IF he found out there is any cause to question IF the person is eligible due to the circumstances of their birth, I believe he would use it, regardless of race.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 1:00:49 AM

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I thought the debate was fascinating, both as a media event and as a comment on the two candidates.

I get Gauge's point about outsiders having opinions on US politics, but for me as a UK citizen with family who live in the US, it's not quite as remote as you might think. US foreign policy and the state of the American economy affect my life and the lives of people I love. What I would never do is try to tell any US citizens how to vote, partly because as a foreigner I have both a different perspective and different self-interests, but I still have a point of view, which of course anyone is free to ignore.

For me one candidate looked calm, composed and presidential, and one candidate spent his whole time pointing and bigging up his own brilliance. If I had a vote I would vote for the known quantity with the track record, but then as a European I would want to see the candidate who is most likely to be a real friend to Europe and less likely to contribute to global economic or diplomatic insecurity. A US citizen might see it completely differently. Interestingly in the UK a very rich man who wanted to run for public office but who also was paying a disproportionately low level of tax, no matter how legally, would find it very difficult to get public support. On that basis I found Trump's answer on tax weak and unconvincing.

Despite what Greta says, most outside commentators think Hilary gave a better account of herself in the debate, whoever they prefer as a candidate. Whether that affects the outcome is another question and depends on people who, unlike you and me Greta, actually have the right to vote in the election.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 1:20:24 AM

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So, punches thrown is the criteria we now use to judge who is more bombastic?

Absolutely. Clinton was full of punches tonight too. Both are on attack dog mode! Come on, in political elections, both parties are out for blood for each other's weaknesses. That's just how it works. They aren't gonna be praising each other.

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You live in Singapore? Why is it that you have an opinion on American politics?

I want to remind you that your country's financial crisis crash in 2008 effected the whole world, including my country really badly. Thus it is important to me that US chooses a good President who is good with economics and when US prospers, the rest of the world Prospers too! Clinton is definitely NOT about reducing debt and improving the economy.

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Your opinion is welcome, but please stop talking in absolutes.

I view everything in a very simple black and white manner. That's always been the way I see the world.

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I will also ask you to define "social projects".

Obama care is a social project started by her, implemented by Obama, which absolutely raised the price of health insurance coverage for everybody and cause some closures of some insurance companies too I believe. So is Hillary promise to Sanders to bring on the Free College plan. As examples.

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but you have no investment in this, the future of where you call 'home' is not in question. Mine, however, is in question.

This is the arrogance of Americans. I comment on any countries politics. Even Thailand. Even Malaysia. Even UK and Australia. This forum is filled with majority Americans, so I am talking about US politics here. When I am with Malaysians, I am talking to them about their country's politics and what's going on and totally giving my full opinion about it. Etc Etc. I enjoy politics.

One doesn't have to have a stake in that country to find it entertaining and amusing and enjoyable to participate in the opinions.

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If Trump was smart, he would have said this... "I took advantage of the law for taxes. Don't blame my actions, blame the shitty tax law in the USA, and I want to fix that." He didn't say that. He made himself look like the problem rather than the solution.

He actually said this right from the beginning of his campaign many times, except he didn't mention it in this debate. He simply said, he was "smart" by making use of the laws. Whereas Clinton tried to paint it as despicable.

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Yet he offered no solution, he just bragged about assfucking the system because he could.

Just to prove his point that, this is the system Clinton 30 over years in it, is just like that and she did nothing to fix it. I thought it was pretty good. I think the ones who get it, will get his point.

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So, we should only invade a country if it benefits America? You know, fuck everyone else involved, as long as it benefits us, kill everyone and 'Merica!!!!

Thank you for not living here and voting.

Most Asian countries live by this motto. It's just the way we are. So this makes sense to us. I mean, we expect our politicians to put the interest of our country first and not go spend our taxpayer money on solving other country's problems. Unless there is a win win in doing that.

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Good on you... frankly, you live in Singapore. We here in the USA need less people like you.

Well, USA is like a mess compared to Singapore. And we run a tight ship, and at least children can go out and play safely at night without worries, but US is in an utter mess in so many areas. People accuse Trump of sprouting doom and gloom, but he is saying the truth. Trump wasn't kidding about all your airports being the worst in the world for example. I mean you talking AS IF US is a dream country to live in ever. It is not. So many wealthy Americans have given up their citizenship and migrated to Singapore because they like it here better. If one got the wealth, means they have the choice of living anywhere in the world, including staying in the US, and they chose us. I'd say, that's saying alot. And whatever we are doing is right, because we are attracting wealthy immigrants who are coming here to create jobs here, start businesses here. Trump actually wants the same thing for the US. He is totally right on the immigration issue that, they gotta start letting quality in and not quantity. Alot of his ideas, our country has implemented successfully with good results.

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It seems to be in vogue that our political candidates talk over each other, insult one another, and engage in personal shit and do not discuss the question being asked of them.

All political debates in any country is exactly the same thing. You need to discredit your opponent. It's seldom a friendly thing.

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I saw no bias, I saw someone that was left in charge of a debate, relinquishing their power so that chaos reigned supreme. And little, if anything about the true problems that my country faces were addressed.

The moderator asked Trump on useless questions like the Obama birther thingy. And kept harping about his Iraq thing. But not one question to Hillary about her Clinton Foundation Scandal. Benghazi? There would have been equally same level sort of questions he could have asked Hillary too but he did not at all. Because he is on team hillary. I feel like some of his questions were personal towards Trump.

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Greta, I respect you as a community member, your commentary of my country's politics, I find lacking of validity or of substance. If I offered the same opinion of the politics of Singapore, you would likely say the very same thing about me. I find your opinion to be inadequate of validity because you do not live in the USA. I will keep my opinion of the politics of your country to myself, and you should do the same for those that claim residence in mine.

I don't have to live in US to know about US politics. I just need to have alot of US friends. My best friend is from the US. And he is actually on Team Hillary big time. My own brother lives in the US for 20 years now. And you can know alot of Singaporean politics if you had alot of Singaporean friends as well. But majority of this country is right leaning, the ones overseas tend to be more left leaning.
Same with how I know about Malaysian politics, Thai politics, UK Politics, Australian Politics. I have many friends from these countries, and we talk about it.

Doesn't matter whether they agree with anything I say or not, every time they offer their point of view as a person coming from THAT country, I learn more and more about it. Why they view it that way, and how they look at things differently from I do. That's what fascinates me. But I am not looking for any agreement at all. Just different points of views.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 2:11:25 AM

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The loser, as usual when Washington is involved, Is John Q. Public. It was a nice country for awhile.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 3:31:54 AM

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I was multi tasking while watching the debate
Trump made sarah palin look articulate. Especially at the end.
Afterwards I watched Oreilly and krauthammer discussing that trump might make Hills cry. (Obviously pre debate)
Well yeah that happened, NOT
DC I watched it all the way thru and then went to twitter and fox to see what was being said.
It was not illuminating it was mental midgets try to assure each other that hillary all but died tonite.
Then I went to a you tube channel that had "PROOF" that hillary was dead and using a body double, to mention that she kinda debunked their whole theory.
That was fun
I havent yet seen his demento tweets yet, altho I think some of them were deleted, but he won the debate, and this morning he is saying his mic was defective....
Ill say it was, all I could hear was his damn sniffing.
just my 2 cents for this morning:)

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 4:18:52 AM

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Gauge you are far too kind
I saw decorum, intelligence and policies - typical politician no comment But she also tried to stay on point
I witnessed arse spraying mayhem. Its actually very difficult to debate with these types on account of them being brainless, liars, sophists,ignoramuses, and just opening their mouths as incoherent rambles exit mumbo jumbo style

Ah the taxes, or was it his businesses owe 650 million conservative estimate, or his net worth is probably less than mine - and I am hobo with three cats and my wallet bereft of even a dull copper. (2p or 1p). But fek me he has property in Chicago...the relevancy escapes me, and I thought it was 5000, not his 3000, or was it 4000

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 4:30:36 AM

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I will be voting for Trump, but I only made it through the first 15 minutes of this debate. It made my head hurt. Monday night football was much better.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 4:44:23 AM

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that really says it all:)

heres some advil for your poor brain.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 5:02:34 AM

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I watched the whole debate, almost glued to the screen. I'm not a Hillary fan, so I needed to see this, I think, to give me a reason to vote for her. Consider me sold. I am not happy about Hillary being the democratic candidate, but after last night, I am no longer quite as begrudging about it as I was.

Honestly, if there were even a shred of possibility of my voting for someone other than Hillary, it disintegrated when Trump so adamantly refused to show his tax returns. I can't possibly use my vote to help him get into office. I have to vote for Hillary.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 5:08:54 AM

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It will take more than Advil to sit through 90 minutes these two yapping at each other.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 5:19:48 AM

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The US economy effects everyone... I am Canadian, and we consider the US like our big brother.... we don't always get a long, but when push comes to shove, we are there for each other. I lived in the US for a short time in the 80's and I can sit on my porch in my back yard, and see one of the 2 entrance ways into the US here. I love the US, the people, the cities, the food culture, but what I am starting to hate is all the hateful rhetoric from both sides.

Last night I watched most of the debate, and Clinton, had poise, she kept her cool, and didn't let Trump get to her. Trump, on the other hand, lost control after about 20 minutes, and telling people he doesn't pay income taxes, just made him look like the megalomaniac he is..

Clinton, might not be the best candidate for president, but Trump should be nowhere near the White House, not even on a tour

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 5:24:40 AM

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[ORIGINAL: Greta75

I want to remind you that your country's financial crisis crash in 2008 effected the whole world, including my country really badly.

What effected the emptying of the treasury of that third world shithole called singapore was uncle sugar sticking his f35 cock in your mouth and up your ass at the same time. That has affected your wellfare cheque and has infected your economy so that it will continue to be dependent on uncle sugar while amerika continues to drain your cpf.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 5:31:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

Remember the idiot from idaho who got tossed for getting his sock made a mod?
Gretta is his bitch and he post on her account.
Does that help you understand the similarity of syntax,diction and lexicon supporting the same nazi idiology?

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 5:35:52 AM

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[ORIGINAL: Greta75

I want to remind you that your country's financial crisis crash in 2008 effected the whole world, including my country really badly.

What effected the emptying of the treasury of that third world shithole called singapore was uncle sugar sticking his f35 cock in your mouth and up your ass at the same time. That has affected your wellfare cheque and has infected your economy so that it will continue to be dependent on uncle sugar while amerika continues to drain your cpf.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

You have outdone yourself with that one. Useless piece of shit.

T^T

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 5:41:50 AM

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First, to repeat a question:

Why the fuck are you even commenting on American politics, you do not have a dog in this fight, except that considering Trump's asking why not use nukes to solve the ISIS problem, which should scare the hell out of everyone on the fucking planet.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I know the mainstream media are all touting Hillary to be the winner.

But did she? I thought Trump threw a few really good punches.

Few things that is typical Lib style.

Typical lib style?

The fact that every one of her answers was on point, and more importantly backed up by facts?

Trump denied that he claimed climate change was a chinese hoax, when in fact he tweeted that a number of times AND said it on no less than three FOX news interviews.

Trump stated the stop and frisk policy of the New York City police department WAS not ruled unconstitutional, when in fact that it was declared unconstitutional by a Federal Judge, and the city wisely did not pursue the matter further.

Trump claimed that Clinton was involved in the "Birther" conspiracy, the truth is that she fired a campaign worker who forwarded a birther related email as a joke.

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Calling Obama birther issue as Racist. All I can say, if Obama was white, then it wouldn't be racist any more. Don't forget he also went after Ted Cruz about the Birther Issue too. Unless Ted is considered a minority too, I don't know.

Ted Cruz is Latin American, so yes, he is a member of a minority race, but more to the point, he was born in Canada, which, technically makes him ineligible to be president, at least if you read the arguments put forth by the birther movement and Obama.

As for it being racist, well consider this.

No one raised the issue about place or country of birth when Jim McCain ran for president, and he was born in Panama.

The difference being, IF YOU EVEN KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT is that Jim McCain is white.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
We all know Liberal slanted plans is to collect more taxes to fund all their social projects. So Clinton made Trump admit that he does not pay Federal Taxes.

Raise taxes to fund more social issues? As opposed to cutting taxes and borrowing more money to fund the entire government?

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I do not know how US tax system works, but I do know at one point of time when Warren Buffet was supporting raising taxes on the top 1% of America. He revealed that he pays way less taxes than his secretary who was making less than 100k per annum.

So I think it's an open secret that most of the Uber Rich know how to avoid their taxes legally through legal loop holes. I totally expect that of Trump!

I don't even know why is this an issue? The solution is to close all those loopholes. Trump should be the best person who know how this works and where to shut it.

You are right on one thing, you do not know how the tax system works, and therefore have no clue as to what you are talking about.

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Other than that, the Iraq issue, I think what the media has are public interviews as evidence of his views on Iraq. But personally, Hannity backs him on this, that he was disagreeing with Hannity about Iraq since before the invasion. I believe him on this. And also Trump operates in a very American First type of view, and screw the rest of the world. He'd only support the invasion IF it involves taking their oil. He is not interested in bringing democracy to another country. To me, his positions is very clear. Only invade Iraq IF it benefits America.

Seriously?

I suggest you go back over ALL his statements on the Iraq war.

Hell, go back and review all his statements concerning the entire problem in the middle east.

He has one solution, bomb the entire region into the stone age AND send troops in to stop ISIS.

Refer to: in a briefing on defense and national security, he seriously asked, "Why do we have nukes when we dont use them?" which was after the question, "why not use nuclear weapons on ISIS?"

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I felt he did pretty well in this debate, despite all the media saying that Clinton Won!

That moderator though, was like joining in to attack Trump. He was clearly on Team Clinton side. We need more neutral moderators who ask equal tough questions to both parties.

What drugs are you on?

Trump was the first to start with the off topic attacks, but how about you catch this, you might get the idea of what the most serious problem is...

Trump has been caught in so many lies it is not even funny, nor does he understand the law about business holdings, presidency and blind trust.

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