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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 10:23:36 AM   
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> the future of where you call 'home' is not in question. Mine, however, is in question.
I disagree, the future of everybody's "home" is always in question during a US election.
As to the debate, well I found it underwhelming and disappointing. As to who "won"? Well Clinton, but she didn't so much win as Trump lost

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 10:23:41 AM   
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@Whoremoda,
I was going to vote independent, but if there is a chance of Trump winning the election, and no chance of assuring a viable third party for future elections - I am not so sure about throwing away my vote. I'm not thrilled with Hillary but I despise Trumo.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 10:32:56 AM   
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Other countries having opinions on our choice of leadership makes sense. Also, it is good to get outside perspectives on things we are close to.



An opinion which should hold very little weight but that does not mean that any consideration needs to be given to the opinion of a single individual. If someone has a balanced,
thoughtful and considered global viewpoint on the subject, I would be happy to listen. I already know the talking points but depth or something of profound nature, I
invite.

I have to consider that any other country is going to be looking out for 'their' own best interests.. not mine and certainly not my country and those opinions are going
to come with their own sort of bias. Pick a subject, pick a side.. from abortion, to guns, walls, whales, death penalty, ... whatever it is that gathers a 'cause', I
promise the 300 million people, often stubborn and polarized on many subjects almost split down the middle of a lot of those ... that side is already being voiced
and represented by our own citizens.

Since that does 'not' hold true for every other country.. in country's where opposing voices are not allowed (rather than those which are in seeming unison) then yes
to voicing loud and strong if that's your cause as that would make more sense at least then a pile on when both candidates have us in hip-waders already.

I'm decided and voting for SCOTUS.. debates and other opinions are not going to be changing my mind at this point. Prez.. just a temp job.. SCOTUS, lifetime.

It's a no brainer for me and I am a voter. Does it matter? Well, it's more important than not important, so, yes, to me, it matters. ::shrugs::

I will urge anyone who is thinking about staying home.. please, go vote for SCOTUS and pick the candidate who is most likely to set the course as you
believe is best for your family and our country.. regardless of which direction you think that may be. If you don't want progressives on the court, get off your
ass and vote for Donald (beware - that's by no means a gimme) and if you don't want a conservative court then vote for Hills (and that IS a gimme.)











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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 10:38:58 AM   
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Nobody raised the birther issue for McCain BECAUSE he fought for America and was even Prisoner of War! Could anybody doubt his loyalty to US after what happened to him? Even if he wasn't a US citizen at birth, he certainly is a US citizen at heart! Nobody would ever wanna chase a birther issue for someone who have fought for the country and suffered for it.

Both Ted and Obama were merely lawyers, thus were questioned. And they happen to be Latino and half black. Although Ted looks white to me.



Jeez, are you brain dead or what?

The birther issue was simply put, where the fuck was Obama born.

The conspiracy is that he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

In other words, he was not born in the UNITED STATES!

So, since you are either too fucking dense to grasp the common thread in this.

Trump maintained that Obama was born in Kenya, and even though his mother was an American Citizen, the fact he was not born in the continental United States, according to the birthers is the reason he was INELIGIBLE to be president.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada, and even though one of his parents was an American Citizen, the fact he was born outside the United States, to use the core birther argument makes him INELIGIBLE to be president.

John McCann was born in Panama, again, outside the United States, and PLEASE remember, that the birther crap started during the election between McCann and Obama and all stemmed because the birthers were saying he had not been born in the United States but Kenya, thus not eligible to be president.


The key phrase is "OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES"

Of course, Cruz and Obama have one more point in common, one of their parents was not an American Citizen at the time of their birth.

However, when that fact was pointed out as being unimportant due to the fact that any child who has one parent as an American Citizen is by US Law an American Citizen, no matter where they fuck they are born.

So then, the issue was the place of birth, since the constitution states that one of the requirements to be president is that they must be a natural born american citizen, meaning they cannot move to the US and get citizenship and become president.

Thus, these morons maintain that since Obama (according to them was born in Kenya) he could not be president.

Well, when Trump raised the issue, it was because Cruz had been born in Canada.

Which, since place of birth is the core of the argument, McCann would have been disqualified by the birther's logic since he had been born in PANAMA.

Now considering that this argument has been explained GOD KNOWS HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES SINCE OBAMA WAS FIRST ELECTED, do you grasp the one thing all three men have in common?

Let me make it easy for you since, for whatever reason, you could not figure it out yourself after it has been covered repeatedly:

Neither Cruz or McCann were born inside the continental United States

As for you maintaining the argument that Trump has been more honest than Hilary, let me point out to you the facts.

Trump's charity foundation has been used by Trump to pay legal bills stemming from Trump (himself, not the foundation) being sued.

He has denied this repeatedly even though court documents and bank records prove that this is in fact true.

He denied ever saying that Climate Change was a Chinese hoax.

His own twitter account, and 3 different interviews on FOX news prove this was a lie.

He denied instructing telling leasing managers of buildings he owns not to lease apartments to minority renters, and was sued and lost 3 FEDERAL cases because he had indeed done just that, part of the evidence used to prove it were memos written and signed by himself.

Then there is the entire Trump University scandal, which by the way, he stated that the judge hearing the case should recuse himself since he was Hispanic, after Trump made the statement on National TV that the majority of Hispanics are drug addicts, drug dealers, rapists and killers, although he did admit that there were a few 'good people' in the group.

He has repeatedly stated that he could not release his tax returns because he was being audited, and it was against the law to do so until the audit was over.

THE FUCKING IRS SAID THIS IS NOT TRUE.

Now, he cannot release his tax returns because it would upset his attorneys.

He stated that he had only filed bankruptcy twice, when in fact he (or his companies that he was the majority stock holder of) have filed bankruptcy 6 times.

He got a loan from his father in the form of his father buying over $3.5 million dollars in chips from one of Trump's Casinos, which was then termed illegal by the New Jersey agency that monitors gambling in that state.

In fact, Trump claims he only got 1 loan from his father for a total of 1 million dollars. The truth is that every time Trump was in financial trouble, his father found creative ways to help him out, many of which were later determined to be ILLEGAL.

Now back to the Kicker, Trump University.

Donald Trump claims to have no connection to the university other than his name.

Court documents obtained by the court and lawyers representing those people suing the university have already disproved that a number of times.

Then of course the simple fact that he is constantly tweeting and retweeting various conspiracy theories, suggestions that the secret service detail assigned to Hilary be disarmed after which someone should take a shot at her and see if she changes her mind about guns.\

If all of that was not enough to prove he is unfit both mentally and ethically to be president, lets look at the fact that he has repeatedly praised his supporters for roughing up (assaulting) people who have heckled him at rallies, a praised supporters who beat up a minority reporter who had attended one of his functions and asked a question that Trump did not like.

He likes the 'stop and frisk' policy even though it was declared unconstitutional (he claimed it never was)

He has blatantly made racists remarks about hispanics, african americans, muslims basically just about every non white race on the planet.

He has catastrophically lost his temper when asked about statements he made both in tweets and on camera.

Now, let me ask you a simple question.

Would you really want a guy so notoriously short tempered and impulsive in control of the 2nd largest nuclear arsenal on the planet? And remember, it is not the generals that make the call about using nukes, it is the president of the United States that is the only one that can order or stop a nuclear strike.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 11:46:55 AM   
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Both Ted and Obama were merely lawyers,


Trump is merely a draft dodger and has four bankruptsies

thus were questioned. And they happen to be Latino and half black. Although Ted looks white to me.


Ted is caucasian. What kind of a phoquing moron thinks latino is a race?


Usually cutting taxes to certain sectors is to encourage more spending and employment


In the entire history of the world that has never happened so why do you keep pimping it? Is it because you are terminally stupid. You have been shown to be innumerate and yet you continue with this facist logic that if you steal enough from the middle class, rich nazis like you can prosper?

. And possibly also government department has to shrink to accommodate less income received. Smaller government!


Like the health department that shut down trumps dump in las vegas for the largest number of health code violations in the history of nevada?


I think you got Trump mix up with Ted Cruz solution. Trump solution has always been pressuring the middle eastern people to take care for their own problem and the richer middle eastern countries to pump in more money to help. Also Nato nations to contribute more!


Cite please...because this is what he really said. You can't even keep your lies straight.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


quote:

Refer to: in a briefing on defense and national security, he seriously asked, "Why do we have nukes when we dont use them?" which was after the question, "why not use nuclear weapons on ISIS?"



I believe he is also not a crazy dude the media is painting him out to be,


The media is reporting what he says. He is the one who is painting himself to be "crazy dude"


I personally find Trump more consistent than Hillary in his stances historically.

He is certainly consistant in his inability to manage a business without going into bankruptsy, cheating his contractors out of money and saying stupid shit. It would seem your support for him is consistant with the idiocy you post here timmy.



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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 11:48:34 AM   
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Trump is merely a draft dodger and has four bankruptsies

Six.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 12:00:43 PM   
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The debate was a fucking joke, nobody won this fiasco.

Trump didn't change the minds of anyone voting for Clinton
Clinton didn't change the minds of anyone voting for Trump

The rest of the world is laughing at the two clowns running for the arguably most powerful office in the world.


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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 12:08:19 PM   
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The debate was a fucking joke, nobody won this fiasco.

Trump didn't change the minds of anyone voting for Clinton
Clinton didn't change the minds of anyone voting for Trump

The rest of the world is laughing at the two clowns running for the arguably most powerful office in the world.


Which of them is after the Chinese Presidency?

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 1:43:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First, to repeat a question:

Why the fuck are you even commenting on American politics, you do not have a dog in this fight, except that considering Trump's asking why not use nukes to solve the ISIS problem, which should scare the hell out of everyone on the fucking planet.




Well if I had to guess I would say for the same reason people from the UK, Canada, France and other countries post about us politics. Because it interests them and they can. Why shouldn't they? Are you going to start ignoring stories about things outside this country?

But the part I find interesting is although you are the second one to suggest Greta shouldn't be discussing this, yet no one ever suggests the others don't. Maybe it has more to do with what you posts than where she posts it from.

As to the debate, I considered watching it but was afraid after watching those 2 go at each other for 2 hours I may have nightmares so I watched criminal minds instead.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 2:52:39 PM   
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Absolute shitshow. Lester reminded me of an overwhelmed substitute teacher. They both did a decent job of pointing out each other's flaws, though. Seemed like they could go all night once the gloves came off. Two random observations: Trump seemed more like he was on coke after he stopped sniffing, and the first time Hill said "trumped-up trickle down" I think she grimaced for a split second. Like, "I paid how many writers how much for this?"

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 2:55:36 PM   
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I thought you were very eloquent Gauge.

I like to comment on American politics because I think (this time round particularly) it is farcical.
But like Greta, I have no dog in this fight.

Personally, for the rest of the world (and my American friends), I wish both would pull out and run the process again.
Neither candidate seems fit to to be in office IMHO.




Sorry to disagree but in reality everyone has a dog in this particular fight, just us non-Americans dont get a vote in the decision.. the reason we non-Americans have a dog in this fight is that if Trump wins he could create a lot of damage in this world to other countries and their economies, not to mention, he will have access in the Whitehouse to that red button that launches the nukes.. That madman is f'n scary..

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 3:44:50 PM   
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@Bita,

Certainly! I seldom consider a point of view or advice from an individual without first questioning (in my mind) what they might have to gain, or what bias they might have and even then I still follow my own ethical & moral compass and come to my own conclusions. I have, on occasion been swayed or conceded my ignorance when introduced to a different way of looking at things.

What is the saying? Keep an open mind, ut not so open you lr brains fall out?

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 4:57:12 PM   
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But the part I find interesting is although you are the second one to suggest Greta shouldn't be discussing this, yet no one ever suggests the others don't. Maybe it has more to do with what you posts than where she posts it from.

I suspect you are right. Nobody pulls that line on people who agree with them.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 6:04:11 PM   
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Dan Savage: "Trump then told CNN he's probably going to bring up these not-so-nice things about Bill Clinton at the next debate."

DS then offers his thoughts on how HRC might respond: http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/09/27/24584577/unsolicited-advice-for-hillary-clinton

Yours truly might add: "Unlike you, Donald, I take the till death do us part promise in my marital vows very seriously." Also "You chose to break up a family--twice. I chose not to, opting instead to honor my commitment and do the best I could by my child and my family. For many of us across America, that's called traditional marriage and family values."

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:24:01 PM   
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Interesting perspective from a conservative columnist in a Murdoch paper.

Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.


Firstly, she was the first lady for Bill's stint and what power to did she have? absolutely none.. and she doesnt have much power even now, she has 1 vote and thats it.. she cant force Congress/other politicians to vote her way.. how exactly was she suppose to do anything in the fucked up system of American politics? the line that for 30 years she did nothing is bogus..

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:41:28 PM   
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I was interested in the renegotiation of NAFTA, That impacts me in every way, business, and everyday life.



What do you expect or hope to happen with said renegotiation? No matter who becomes the next Prez, I dont think Canada will do any better at all if it changes, imo, the US screw both Canada and Mexico.. I dont think Trudeau will fight hard enough at all.. he lives in a dream world as far as negotiating with the US goes.. jmo...

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:13:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
Other countries having opinions on our choice of leadership makes sense. Also, it is good to get outside perspectives on things we are close to.

I have to consider that any other country is going to be looking out for 'their' own best interests.. not mine and certainly not my country and those opinions are going
to come with their own sort of bias.

When other nationalities have an opinion about your politics, what it means is simply having an opinion.
The citizens of the country has absolutely no need to take any foreigner words into any consideration at all.
At the same time, for myself, if anybody wanna engage me in my country's politics, I am more than happy to debate it. I always like hearing foreigner view points. But it doesn't mean it will change my beliefs. It simply means, I learn things from their angle at how they look at things. It is simply getting know another way of looking at the same situation.
The goal is not to be convinced or influenced. But simply to gain knowledge of how different people that came from different values, different upbringing, different environment, different lifestyle and different culture thinks and perceive things and form their conclusions.

I am never ever looking for agreement.


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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:16:06 PM   
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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:16:59 PM   
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Yea we all already know there is a group of Republican that is Team Hillary. I mean the whole Bush Family is voting Hillary.
If super conservative republicans are rejecting Trump.

That's fantastic! That's why Trump is great!

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:34:22 PM   
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there is a group of Republican that is Team Hillary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk

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