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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 6:28:54 AM

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jlf1961 I refer you to my initial answer particularly I witnessed arse spraying mayhem. Its actually very difficult to debate with these types on account of them being brainless, liars, sophists,ignoramuses, and just opening their mouths as incoherent rambles exit mumbo jumbo style Your doing a lot of good work on here lately do not waste it with that one. Its existence is neither ironic, metaphysical. Personally I view that one as a trouble maker yo do not truly understand these people

But secretly I wish Hillary to engage Trump at his own game although I did pee myself regarding his tax/debt issue but I only watched the BBC highlights

Someone tell me the latest polls please?

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 6:44:57 AM

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No one raised the issue about place or country of birth when Jim McCain ran for president, and he was born in Panama.

The difference being, IF YOU EVEN KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT is that Jim McCain is white.

Nobody raised the birther issue for McCain BECAUSE he fought for America and was even Prisoner of War! Could anybody doubt his loyalty to US after what happened to him? Even if he wasn't a US citizen at birth, he certainly is a US citizen at heart! Nobody would ever wanna chase a birther issue for someone who have fought for the country and suffered for it.

Both Ted and Obama were merely lawyers, thus were questioned. And they happen to be Latino and half black. Although Ted looks white to me.

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Raise taxes to fund more social issues? As opposed to cutting taxes and borrowing more money to fund the entire government?

Usually cutting taxes to certain sectors is to encourage more spending and employment. And possibly also government department has to shrink to accommodate less income received. Smaller government!

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He has one solution, bomb the entire region into the stone age AND send troops in to stop ISIS.

I think you got Trump mix up with Ted Cruz solution. Trump solution has always been pressuring the middle eastern people to take care for their own problem and the richer middle eastern countries to pump in more money to help. Also Nato nations to contribute more!

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Refer to: in a briefing on defense and national security, he seriously asked, "Why do we have nukes when we dont use them?" which was after the question, "why not use nuclear weapons on ISIS?"

I believe Trump will ask questions to consider all possible options, and will make a decision base on the expert advice, what is the best solution to deal with it. Personally, I don't expect Trump to be an expert about nuclear anything. It makes sense for Hillary being a secretary of state to have a better understanding of the whole nuclear situation. That is her past experience. But I believe he is also not a crazy dude the media is painting him out to be, like, if Saudi Arabia offends him tmw, he is gonna nuke them kind of person.

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Trump has been caught in so many lies it is not even funny, nor does he understand the law about business holdings, presidency and blind trust.

I personally find Trump more consistent than Hillary in his stances historically.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 7:05:23 AM

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html

This site screen shot a list of poll sites that show people voting Trump as the winner of this debate.

The fact that mainstream media are very bias and fully pushing for a Hillary win and claiming Hillary won hands down seem very dishonest.

I wonder what the real outcome will be. Never under-estimate the silent majority in what they really feel and the media not representing their true position and thoughts.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 7:18:39 AM

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The only poll that even comes close to representing reality is Nate Silver's:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/

As we've all learned lately (including from the Brexit fiasco), polls aren't as accurate as they used to be. That's because old-fashioned polling methods don't give you a random sample of likely voters anymore.

Edited to add, since I just realized that someone is likely to jump on me for this: Yes, I'm aware that Nate Silver's site is not a poll; it's an interpretation of polls. Still the only reasonably accurate view of the electorate's inclinations, in my view.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 7:38:04 AM

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I meant in the presidential race ffs...exactly how close is it now. His scorched earth policy fascinates me, his lack of business acumen: but lets be honest its about time the CIA, or is it FBI, leaked his financials, Russian and Mafia tie ins and mesna his IQ - I intently dislike Boris Johnson for the record but that halfwit Trump challenged him to a IQ test and Boris would come in about 144-165 - double trumps and his wife I think Spanish (ewill she be shipped back i cannot help but wonder) and his belief that brexit would not win....arguments can be made for many things...even i thought the English had more sense therefore the naysayers must be held accountable

Brexit was over whelming rejected by Scotland - now you understand, in part, why i dislike the English not all of them

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:01:23 AM

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Nobody raised the birther issue for McCain BECAUSE he fought for America and was even Prisoner of War! Could anybody doubt his loyalty to US after what happened to him?

Apart from your boy the circus peanut, who was dissing McCain for getting captured, which apparently invalidated his military service for the tiny-handed shitweasel, you mean? (Pretty pathetic line coming from a draft dodger, really.)

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:03:27 AM

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Apart from your boy the circus peanut, who was dissing McCain for getting captured, which apparently invalidated his military service for the tiny-handed shitweasel, you mean? (Pretty pathetic line coming from a draft dodger, really.)

Yes he did diss McCain for getting captured, that's the angle he chose, because the birther issue wouldn't fly as strongly with a Prisoner of War hero. He chose to discredit his prisoner of war heroism instead. That's Trump! Choosing right angles with different people!
It wasn't because his white is my point as jf seem to imply.

Now imagine if McCain was black, EVERYBODY would be saying Trump diss his POW status because his black. I can bet 200% on that! So I think the fact that Trump dares do the unthinkable of going after a white POW! Tells me, it's not race based. He just goes after whatever angle uniquely of the person he is going after.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:05:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The only poll that even comes close to representing reality is Nate Silver's:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-won-the-debate-which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/

As we've all learned lately (including from the Brexit fiasco), polls aren't as accurate as they used to be. That's because old-fashioned polling methods don't give you a random sample of likely voters anymore.

Edited to add, since I just realized that someone is likely to jump on me for this: Yes, I'm aware that Nate Silver's site is not a poll; it's an interpretation of polls. Still the only reasonably accurate view of the electorate's inclinations, in my view.

nah it is the best for me too...and I agree with you that the whole race poll wise has been up and down like a yoyo, . I watch the polls but im not trusting them.
Altho I will be interested in any bounce for trump.
As im perverse Ive been reading Frank Luntz twitter feed (amongst others) and he tweeted his focus group results on who won the debate...6 said trump , 16 said clinton..
Im waiting for trumps hissy fits to continue...hills shouldn't do the smug....but she will:(
There's video showing response meters showing hills killed it in places, but it very much depends on where and you read...
I cant wait to see the surrogates out splaining what they meant or didnt mean...
Im such a sick puppy...
I need help

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:16:51 AM

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Interesting perspective from a conservative columnist in a Murdoch paper.

Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.

Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went.

* * *

By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.

* * *

His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:22:55 AM

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I wasn't able to watch, but I'm sure I will be able to YouTube it.
I'm not sure I should. I don't indulge, but I'm thinking I'm going to need some herbal medication to get me through it.

In our Global Economy, what America does definitely has worldwide repercussions. Other countries having opinions on our choice of leadership makes sense. Also, it is good to get outside perspectives on things we are close to.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:25:25 AM

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You do wonder, given he isn't competent to prepare himself to handle an hour and a half's debate ringmastered by a sympathetic lickspittle who was trying to accommodate him, how in Hell's name anybody thinks that he's going to be able to manage to handle international diplomacy?

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:32:11 AM

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You do wonder, given he isn't competent to prepare himself to handle an hour and a half's debate ringmastered by a sympathetic lickspittle who was trying to accommodate him, how in Hell's name anybody thinks that he's going to be able to manage to handle international diplomacy?

You know, when I watched that parliament gathering about Brexit, and watch all the different Europeans leaders come together and talk about Brexit. It was pretty much out of control too. I barely saw any diplomacy happening in there either!

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:32:17 AM

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I have to admit, I was looking forward to it, I wasnt disappointed, but yeah, at least a glass or two of wine(I dont drink).

I was interested in the renegotiation of NAFTA, That impacts me in every way, business, and everyday life.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:40:48 AM

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In our Global Economy, what America does definitely has worldwide repercussions. Other countries having opinions on our choice of leadership makes sense. Also, it is good to get outside perspectives on things we are close to.

Well said! Thanks.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:44:12 AM

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FR

Interesting perspective from a conservative columnist in a Murdoch paper.

Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.

Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went.

* * *

By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.

* * *

His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/

I think that is a fair assessment.

Ive read a few posts on both sides saying that it had made their mind up.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 8:56:30 AM

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Johnson's chances have improved since that was broadcast, then?

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:09:56 AM

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Im pretty sure he might see a bump. but wether it comes from the left or the right remains to be seen

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:20:52 AM

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heh this made me laugh

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“After the first 20 minutes, it may have been the most lopsided debate I’ve ever seen — and not because Clinton was particularly effective. But you don’t need to be good when your opponent is bad,” writes National Review’s David French, who considered running for president as an independent. “Why didn’t he have a better answer ready for the birther nonsense? Has he still not done any homework on foreign policy? I felt like I was watching the political Titanic hit the iceberg, back up, and hit it again. Just for fun.”

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:27:45 AM

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Im pretty sure he might see a bump. but wether it comes from the left or the right remains to be seen

I'd hope it's coming from the right, but I suppose some Democrats might have watched the debate, thought: "Oh noes! She might actually win!" and decided to vote for an independent instead. Possibly some of the disgruntled Sandersites are now convinced that voting for the circus peanut to spite Clinton may not be as good an idea as they'd hoped. Hell, even a few of the Republicans who resent being stuck with the tiny-handed shitweasel might have wised up which was the lesser (or at least more competent) evil by the end of that debate.

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RE: 1st Presidential Debate - 9/27/2016 9:29:14 AM

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The fact that mainstream media are very bias and fully pushing for a Hillary win and claiming Hillary won hands down seem very dishonest.

Obviously google does not work in idaho.
The liberal media is owned by conservatives you phoquing moron.

I wonder what the real outcome will be. Never under-estimate the silent majority in what they really feel and the media not representing their true position and thoughts.

The silent majority is neither

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