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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 6:56:25 AM   
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But that's life for many TGs - human rights is a distant and abstract concept for many TGs. When one looks at the entrenched hate and bias to be found in several posts on this thread, it's easy to understand why. If a minority of kinkroids are this abusive and intolerant, one can imagine the horrors dealt out by straight society to TGs.

Excellent post, Tweakabelle

no its not an excellent post---unless you count excellence in illustrating how lefties redefine "hate" to mean anything or anyone who speaks contrary to their ideology.

So, you are saying sexually nonconforming people are not battered or killed in this country? Do you not have access to news sources where you live? Or are you so blinded by your ideology?


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 8:31:54 AM   
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But that's life for many TGs - human rights is a distant and abstract concept for many TGs. When one looks at the entrenched hate and bias to be found in several posts on this thread, it's easy to understand why. If a minority of kinkroids are this abusive and intolerant, one can imagine the horrors dealt out by straight society to TGs.

Excellent post, Tweakabelle


no its not an excellent post---unless you count excellence in illustrating how lefties redefine "hate" to mean anything or anyone who speaks contrary to their ideology.

Okay, so you don't believe in hate, huh?

Here is a social experiment you might try. Presuming all of us on this Board are socially non-conforming, that is to say we are Queer. Why don't you test your beliefs in the real world? Go to the toughest bar in the toughest neighborhood in a major city near you. Buy a round of drinks for the guys and celebrate your coming out as queer to them. Then, come back and tell me there is no hate.

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 8:43:20 AM   
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But that's life for many TGs - human rights is a distant and abstract concept for many TGs. When one looks at the entrenched hate and bias to be found in several posts on this thread, it's easy to understand why. If a minority of kinkroids are this abusive and intolerant, one can imagine the horrors dealt out by straight society to TGs.

Excellent post, Tweakabelle


no its not an excellent post---unless you count excellence in illustrating how lefties redefine "hate" to mean anything or anyone who speaks contrary to their ideology.

Okay, so you don't believe in hate, huh?

Here is a social experiment you might try. Presuming all of us on this Board are socially non-conforming, that is to say we are Queer. Why don't you test your beliefs in the real world? Go to the toughest bar in the toughest neighborhood in a major city near you. Buy a round of drinks for the guys and celebrate your coming out as queer to them. Then, come back and tell me there is no hate.
Ye Gods, you're stupid.


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 8:56:57 AM   
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Frighty-hair-man does not believe in these rights - let me think what he said
Mr Trump's refusal to back same-sex marriage on the basis that he only supports "traditional" unions was undermined when CNN's Jake Tapper asked him exactly what was traditional about marrying three times.

"That's a good point," was Mr Trump's response.


Think i am not capable of balance scary witch Hillary - she was no better. When did she actually change her mind btw and after how many years?

They bow to the will of the homophobic and their numbers are plentiful, as indeed they are in my lands – although we are not quite as bad. Donald don’t want it and Hillary don’t want it either – you can tell with that one.

We are all wired differently – and I am a twin ;) – most people lack the capacity to understand

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 8:59:59 AM   
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Think i am not capable of balance scary witch Hillary - she was no better. When did she actually change her mind btw and after how many years?
After the polls and the focus groups made it clear that by changing her mind she would increase the number of votes she would get.

There is not a single thing that woman does that is motivated by ethics or responsibility. She is as venal a politician as the US has ever seen.


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 9:15:30 AM   
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I don’t doubt for a moment there was a few studies and math models run for that switch awareness and that actually leads onto the other question whom is more honest/trustworthy - most people see only the two options

Gropey predator man who believes in traditional marriage, with 3 marriages and probably hates gays, probably not hot lesbians though, although he views Mexicans as rapists.

Or flippity witch married to an idiot.


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 9:43:45 AM   
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I don’t doubt for a moment there was a few studies and math models run for that switch awareness and that actually leads onto the other question whom is more honest/trustworthy - most people see only the two options

Gropey predator man who believes in traditional marriage, with 3 marriages and probably hates gays, probably not hot lesbians though, although he views Mexicans as rapists.

Or flippity witch married to an idiot.

I don't give a fuck about the sexual harassment claims against Trump. They are highly likely to be bullshit.

Trump is a poor choice because he's stupid, irrational, emotionally untempered and given to spontaneous outbursts with no thought or planning. He is simply mentally incompetent to hold the office.

I'm afraid the witch is the only rational choice. She'll probably get us into a war, but she won't fuck up the country completely.


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 9:50:14 AM   
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But that's life for many TGs - human rights is a distant and abstract concept for many TGs. When one looks at the entrenched hate and bias to be found in several posts on this thread, it's easy to understand why. If a minority of kinkroids are this abusive and intolerant, one can imagine the horrors dealt out by straight society to TGs.

Excellent post, Tweakabelle


no its not an excellent post---unless you count excellence in illustrating how lefties redefine "hate" to mean anything or anyone who speaks contrary to their ideology.

Okay, so you don't believe in hate, huh?

Here is a social experiment you might try. Presuming all of us on this Board are socially non-conforming, that is to say we are Queer. Why don't you test your beliefs in the real world? Go to the toughest bar in the toughest neighborhood in a major city near you. Buy a round of drinks for the guys and celebrate your coming out as queer to them. Then, come back and tell me there is no hate.
Ye Gods, you're stupid.


Right, and you delude yourself that you are a font of knowledge and wisdom when in fact all you are capable of is throwing infantile insults, your Aness.

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 10:22:24 AM   
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But that's life for many TGs - human rights is a distant and abstract concept for many TGs. When one looks at the entrenched hate and bias to be found in several posts on this thread, it's easy to understand why. If a minority of kinkroids are this abusive and intolerant, one can imagine the horrors dealt out by straight society to TGs.

Excellent post, Tweakabelle


no its not an excellent post---unless you count excellence in illustrating how lefties redefine "hate" to mean anything or anyone who speaks contrary to their ideology.

Okay, so you don't believe in hate, huh?

Here is a social experiment you might try. Presuming all of us on this Board are socially non-conforming, that is to say we are Queer. Why don't you test your beliefs in the real world? Go to the toughest bar in the toughest neighborhood in a major city near you. Buy a round of drinks for the guys and celebrate your coming out as queer to them. Then, come back and tell me there is no hate.
Ye Gods, you're stupid.


Right, and you delude yourself that you are a font of knowledge and wisdom when in fact all you are capable of is throwing infantile insults, your Aness.
Apologies, I misspoke.

You're depressingly stupid.


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 12:03:12 PM   
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Aw . . . the little boy is upset . . maybe he just needs his afternoon nap. Don't cry, little Aness.

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 3:46:16 PM   
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Please keep your little conversations with your penis off this board. It's unsettling.

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 4:03:40 PM   
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You're jealous cuz I got one n you don't . . .

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 4:09:43 PM   
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You're jealous cuz I got one n you don't . . .
How ironic that you're gender-shaming. Yes, I agree dude - being a woman is indeed a terrible thing.


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 5:03:56 PM   
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You're jealous cuz I got one n you don't . . .
How ironic that you're gender-shaming. Yes, I agree dude - being a woman is indeed a terrible thing.


No, no, you misunderstood. I mean you don't have one until you reach puberty. Then maybe it will pop up, so be patient.

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 8:09:00 PM   
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You're jealous cuz I got one n you don't . . .
How ironic that you're gender-shaming. Yes, I agree dude - being a woman is indeed a terrible thing.


No, no, you misunderstood. I mean you don't have one until you reach puberty. Then maybe it will pop up, so be patient.
You think boys don't have a penis until puberty? Clearly, you're a woman, because you know sweet fuck all about male anatomy.



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RE: Hjernevask - 10/29/2016 8:23:50 PM   
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The father is right. The mother has been experimenting with her child's gender identity because she's a fucking gender-fluidity loon.


I can see that pov
But I can also see several other possibilities as to how this particular one came about.
Its very likely the two fighting about it is what made her want to cut off her penis at SUCH a young age, such a terrible thing to have used against you. By anyone
I think it highly likely the mother is mentally ill and should have the child taken away from her. Like this sick bitch: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/judge-orders-boy-8-live-his-father-after-his-mother-forced-him-live-his-life-entirely-girl-1587681


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RE: Hjernevask - 10/30/2016 1:22:08 PM   
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And this is where i agree with you. Just because you are a parent doesn't mean you are a good one. I saw on tv the other day that the new 'trend' is to give your child a gender neutral name and dress them in gender neutral clothes from birth (a new fashion industry trend =$$$) and promote them to discover their gender (or perhaps to these parents, they hope their child doesn't have one). And here is my argument about 'Do No Harm' comes into play. You don't build and promote problems (and yes, it is a problem as we can see by all the concerns there are for the well- being of those unfortunate souls who do suffer from this gender variant issue. ) If 1% of the population struggles with it i don't think the solution is to cause the remaining 99% to question whether they might have it (or in some cases... they might like to have it) too. Educating people to be compassionate and understanding is one thing. Trying to promote it as the new social standard is an entirely different thing. Saying to a boy, "It's ok to cry. Boys cry too sometimes" makes sense. Telling him, ""You're not really a boy because you cry" is something completely different and has no benefit for an indivual or for society as a whole, in the long run, imo.

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/31/2016 2:23:16 AM   
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And here is my argument about 'Do No Harm' comes into play. You don't build and promote problems (and yes, it is a problem as we can see by all the concerns there are for the well- being of those unfortunate souls who do suffer from this gender variant issue. ) If 1% of the population struggles with it i don't think the solution is to cause the remaining 99% to question whether they might have it (or in some cases... they might like to have it) too. Educating people to be compassionate and understanding is one thing. Trying to promote it as the new social standard is an entirely different thing. Saying to a boy, "It's ok to cry. Boys cry too sometimes" makes sense. Telling him, ""You're not really a boy because you cry" is something completely different and has no benefit for an indivual or for society as a whole, in the long run, imo.

It might be more helpful if you chose to apply your mantra of "Do no harm" from a position of familiarity with the issue at hand rather than a random TV report. If you were familiar with the issues or the literature, you would know that in the overwhelming majority of, almost all child TG cases, parents choose to support the child's sense of their gender because they have no other option, because all other options have been tried and failed.

Many parents report that their decision was forced on them when their child told them of their intention to mutilate their own genitals. While there are rare cases where parents try to force an inappropriate gender on their child, according to the medicos, these cases are discovered before any 'harm' is done and alternative course of treatments are offered to help the child and parent make better choices. But for almost all parents and medical professionals arriving at the point where they decide to support the child's own idea of their gender is a last resort, only considered when all other options have been tried and failed.

It is most certainly not a case of flippancy as your post implies. Parents want what is best for their children. How many parents would want or voluntarily choose a transgender lifestyle for their children? How many parents would force their children to run the risks of social ostracism, loneliness, life long medical dependency, discrimination marginalisation and outright often naked hate that many TGs endure? Most parents (who are of course heterosexual and gender normative themselves) would run a million miles in the other direction rather than voluntarily choose that option for their child. Do not wantonly dismiss the agony and heartache that these parents go through as they search for the correct option for their child.

'Do no Harm' does not mean do nothing or always choose the conventional option. There are occasions where doing nothing is doing harm. For these parents doing nothing or forcing an inappropriate gender on their child against that child's wishes is doing harm to that child. They have reluctantly (often stubbornly resisting) come to the view that, for their child and their circumstances, the best option for their child is to support that child's sense of self only when all other options are exhausted.

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RE: Hjernevask - 10/31/2016 6:17:20 AM   
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RE: Hjernevask - 10/31/2016 6:20:20 AM   
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My post was about parents who just had a child who hasn't said a word to them yet. You are missing the point that this problem is going well outside the scope of those unfortunate 1% that might have this problem and is now creaping out to infants and children that don't and probably wouldn't ever have a problem by their rather stupid parents that like the transgender trend.

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