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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/27/2016 8:31:05 AM   
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Microstamping is a silly non issue. It does nothing to increase police ability to identify a firearm above casing identification and can be circumvented by five minutes with a knife sharpening stone on the firing pin. All it does is add to the cost of a legally purchased firearm in California.

Isn't it pretty well known that criminals typically use stolen weapons to commit their crimes? If that is so then why would a criminal try to remove the micro-stamp? It does not identify the criminal it identifies the original purchaser of the gun.
Since the micro-stamp is on both the firing pin and the face of the breach it would be necessary to remove both micro-stamps. As you mentioned the firing pin would be relatively easy but the face of the breach somewhat more dificult. I see no meaningful advantage of micro-stamping. Consider also that guns for cops are exempt...why come???
I do find it interesting that the bill was pimped by the republicrat brady bunch and signed into law by the gropinator a well known republicrat governor

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/27/2016 8:56:06 AM   
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No, Jim Brady was a Republican, Sarah Brady has long since been in the Democrat camp.

Sarah brady is and always a republicrat.

It is interesting that anytime a republicrat does this you immediately claim that they are not real republicrats.

Doesn't it hurt your mouth when you spew shit out of both sides of it?


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...Until you can post proof of your [claims] it will remain [your "ignorant unsubstantiated opinion"---ah, gotta love the irony]... Many here [know] that you borrow a brain from the pizza delivery boy while yours is at the dry cleaners. If you cannot bring facts to the discussion you can be depended upon to make shit up.


again troll---take a good look in the mirror.

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While James Brady worked for the most popular Republican president in modern times, he and his wife's support for gun control measures drew their politics leftward. They became registered Democratic voters in Delaware, and supported both statewide and local candidates.


http://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2014/08/04/late-james-brady-made-delaware-home/13589391/


So the faux marine lied again, here I am dying of not surprised.


I wouldn't go so far as to say he lied, but its a pretty easy step to say his academic prowess, despite his self-aggrandizing nature and constant insulting of others and their posts, is sometimes, if not often, poor.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/27/2016 9:36:03 AM   
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Well, wonder why it took them so long after felching that mental defective St. Wrinklemeat to wise up? Probably something to do with his blown headpipe, you would think the virulent and fearless gipper would have dove in there to take the bullet for Jim because it would cause no damage hitting him in the brain, but instead, he ran away and shit his pants like he did when his little Benghazi of 13 embassy Americans and 241 US marines were murdered.

Nutsuckers have been an embarrassment to America since forever.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/27/2016 9:37:03 AM   
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Ca trying to demand micro stamping on all handguns sold in state, problem is micro stamping doesn't work.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/18/gun-rights-groups-await-judge-ruling-on-california-microstamping-law.html
Waaaaaahhh! THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE MY GUNS! I NEED MY GUNS! I NEED MY GUNS! WAAAAAAAHHHH!

Christ, you gun owners are a bunch of fucking pussies.


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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/27/2016 11:53:27 AM   
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So the faux marine lied again, here I am dying of not surprised.

Jim and sarah brady were not republicrats when they creatred the bready bunch?
Jim and sarah brady were not republicrats when they pimped the brady bill?
Jim and sarah brady were not republicrats when the brady bill was passed?
Is it that you are just uninformed or is it that?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/27/2016 4:05:43 PM   
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Ron, you have just proven yourself totally devoid of any knowledge of manufacturing.

The technology it takes to do this will price guns out of the range of the people who need them the most.

Are you for that ? Old people who cannot run or fight, n_____s climbing in the windows. They should just give up the nice shit in their house they worked for and earned, to thugs who would rape them ?

You go live in that world. To my last breath I am against that bullshit.

You do what you want when I am gone. My little second cousins will learn to work the world just like I did, and I was pretty good at it for a time. That ended. Now they will have their time. And theirs after them.

And each one of them, that means girls too, will be taken into the basement and be taught how to shoot. And they will learn to drive on a manual transmission.

In other words this family eagerly awaits California falling into the ocean. Wish we could get rid of New York the same way. Too bad global warming won't do enough...

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Go away you untutored fool. microstamping the pin at manufacture is trivial. it is an automated and quick operation. just before it goes to heat. Look, they engrave guns, they put crosshatch on the stocks and forearms, even many cheap ass guns, lose that shit. Don't pretend you have some insight into cutting parts, you do not.


Another fucking idiot I see. So OK, YOU design the tool that does this and makes a distinct microscopic pattern on each and every firing pin. And then YOU build the machine that does it.

YOU have just proven you know nothing about manufacturing. No wonder you have so much time on your hands.

I have been in the business and know engineers, one of whom made dies for the impellers for jet engines that had like 18 pulls to get the piece out. Know what pulls are when it comes to a die or casting ?

So you got these firing pins and they go into a big bin, they are NOT going to take and record the number off of each one, they will then have to do a test fire and then read the imprint.

Guns are no longer made in a barn out in the hills, they use modern manufacturing techniques and the manufacturers have damn good reason for not wanting to do this. It is stupid and useless. They have had ballistics testing for decades and it solved maybe a dozen murders. Out of how many ?

Plus the fact, another one you don't know, more than half of the murders in this country are unsolved and will remain that way. And many are not even investigated. They don't give a shit unless you are a person of interest or have alot of clout. You think homicide is detecting about all the people shot in Chicago ? Do you think all those bodies in the landfills in Cleveland in the 1960s had a full forensics examination ?

All they are doing is trying to raise the price of guns to keep them out of the hands of the poor, read Black. But also the White poor. The rich don't want a revolt or any upset because they got it good and like the status quo. Well a growing portion of the population is fucking sick of the status quo.

Are you going to give up your gun at the pawn shop ? Just let everyone know you have a bunch of money there and no gun ? Well if you want other people not to have guns you give up your own.

You can't make guns cost ten grand, not with stupid regulations like this. It is against the Constitution. Just like when you get into a court case, you don't have to pay any fees for getting public documents. They have already made it so you can get an ID free so that people who don't even have the twelve bucks can vote.

Have you ever worked in a machine shop or even studied the field ? Or metallurgy ? Well I have. Something engraved or whatever you want to call it that is that small will wear off before the buyer leaves the shooting range after practice with it. Even if it is titanium. It is a matter of PSI and pressure and inertia and whatever else. If you are such an expert on all this, tell us how many shots can be fired out of such a gun before the unique pattern is worn off to the point that is was a waste of time. You implement this stupid plan if you are so smart, and go to the range ike ten times, shoot like five or six clips every time and then see if the imprint is readable.

Stick to making up words like nutsucker and felchwhatever instead of talking adult things with people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 12:52:52 AM   
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You can't make guns cost ten grand, not with stupid regulations like this. It is against the Constitution. Just like when you get into a court case, you don't have to pay any fees for getting public documents. They have already made it so you can get an ID free so that people who don't even have the twelve bucks can vote.




Not quite like this, but aren't guns property? Governments do tax that. Is there really not any way to tax $10,000/year as a property tax on firearms? Seems reasonable. I hope someone proposes it...I'd personally go $10 million/year, but $10,000 is a good start.


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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 1:02:06 AM   
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Then go to Australia and fight crocodiles with a knife.

And about my guns ? Come and try to take them, you get them lead part first.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 1:08:05 AM   
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Then go to Australia and fight crocodiles with a knife.

And about my guns ? Come and try to take them, you get them lead part first.

T^T


Tax evasion is a serious offense, it's what brought down Al Capone...but they don't have to take your guns, if they take all your money, what good are guns when you can't buy food? Yeah, you can use them to steal food and/or money, but then you'd be taken out as a common armed robber...

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 1:32:25 AM   
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Ron, you have just proven yourself totally devoid of any knowledge of manufacturing.

The technology it takes to do this will price guns out of the range of the people who need them the most.

Are you for that ? Old people who cannot run or fight, n_____s climbing in the windows. They should just give up the nice shit in their house they worked for and earned, to thugs who would rape them ?

You go live in that world. To my last breath I am against that bullshit.

You do what you want when I am gone. My little second cousins will learn to work the world just like I did, and I was pretty good at it for a time. That ended. Now they will have their time. And theirs after them.

And each one of them, that means girls too, will be taken into the basement and be taught how to shoot. And they will learn to drive on a manual transmission.

In other words this family eagerly awaits California falling into the ocean. Wish we could get rid of New York the same way. Too bad global warming won't do enough...

T^T




Go away you untutored fool. microstamping the pin at manufacture is trivial. it is an automated and quick operation. just before it goes to heat. Look, they engrave guns, they put crosshatch on the stocks and forearms, even many cheap ass guns, lose that shit. Don't pretend you have some insight into cutting parts, you do not.


Another fucking idiot I see. So OK, YOU design the tool that does this and makes a distinct microscopic pattern on each and every firing pin. And then YOU build the machine that does it.

YOU have just proven you know nothing about manufacturing. No wonder you have so much time on your hands.

I have been in the business and know engineers, one of whom made dies for the impellers for jet engines that had like 18 pulls to get the piece out. Know what pulls are when it comes to a die or casting ?

So you got these firing pins and they go into a big bin, they are NOT going to take and record the number off of each one, they will then have to do a test fire and then read the imprint.

Guns are no longer made in a barn out in the hills, they use modern manufacturing techniques and the manufacturers have damn good reason for not wanting to do this. It is stupid and useless. They have had ballistics testing for decades and it solved maybe a dozen murders. Out of how many ?

Plus the fact, another one you don't know, more than half of the murders in this country are unsolved and will remain that way. And many are not even investigated. They don't give a shit unless you are a person of interest or have alot of clout. You think homicide is detecting about all the people shot in Chicago ? Do you think all those bodies in the landfills in Cleveland in the 1960s had a full forensics examination ?

All they are doing is trying to raise the price of guns to keep them out of the hands of the poor, read Black. But also the White poor. The rich don't want a revolt or any upset because they got it good and like the status quo. Well a growing portion of the population is fucking sick of the status quo.

Are you going to give up your gun at the pawn shop ? Just let everyone know you have a bunch of money there and no gun ? Well if you want other people not to have guns you give up your own.

You can't make guns cost ten grand, not with stupid regulations like this. It is against the Constitution. Just like when you get into a court case, you don't have to pay any fees for getting public documents. They have already made it so you can get an ID free so that people who don't even have the twelve bucks can vote.

Have you ever worked in a machine shop or even studied the field ? Or metallurgy ? Well I have. Something engraved or whatever you want to call it that is that small will wear off before the buyer leaves the shooting range after practice with it. Even if it is titanium. It is a matter of PSI and pressure and inertia and whatever else. If you are such an expert on all this, tell us how many shots can be fired out of such a gun before the unique pattern is worn off to the point that is was a waste of time. You implement this stupid plan if you are so smart, and go to the range ike ten times, shoot like five or six clips every time and then see if the imprint is readable.

Stick to making up words like nutsucker and felchwhatever instead of talking adult things with people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about.

T^T

No, you are the shitbreather here. The machines already exist. Dude, the riflings of each barrel are unique, thats how they match bullets fired to a gun. Look at letter stamps, how long to wear?

https://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-6610-32-Inch-Letter-36-Piece/dp/B000NPUKY8

Now, to laser engrave the stamp head in miniature, well, been done for a century probably.

http://microstamp.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23&products_id=85&zenid=n4qtrjpqjv6t1c34f6b17t95q5

case harden and there you go.

You should learn machining.

insofar as wear.....

well, you have case hardened steel (with or without a microstamp), and with the use of a spring denting brass or the new throwaway aluminum.

Yeah, no big deal for wear.

You should learn metallurgy.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 1:49:49 AM   
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First of all, there is no law that you have to pay income tax, though they can tax goods and a few other things. Al Capone could have beaten the rap if he did it right.

Second of all, people are starting to get the idea of who the enemy is and it is the government. If they cannot buy food they know which way to point their weapons. The government causes most of the problems here. We know this.

And now I am sure you are about to say that all our couple hundred million guns cannot take down the government, as most liberals do but I got something to tell you.

When the cops cannot come to a loud noise complaint without someone taking them out from a second story window, when they can't even do a traffic stop because there are snipers all over the place, when they can't even send building inspectors because they get killed all the time, they can no longer enforce the codes and ordinances, what ? Law is the Constitution, everything else it code and ordinances, or regulations.

When the time comes, the people doing this (I will be dead by then by the looks of things) will be all over the place and cops might have a 50/50 chance of living. Would you take a job like that ?

So then we get cops wearing vests, in 100 degree heat, making $250,000 a year. How many can your city afford ?

What's more, when seconds count they are minutes away. The courts have ruled that they have no duty to protect you. So what the fuck are you supposed to do ? Die ? Thank you but no, it is not quite time for me to die yet. Soon, but not by some punk climbing in my back window and cutting my throat.

And I don't have ten grand for a new gun. So do most of the people who need them the most. You got these ultrasickening liberals living in ivory towers with security systems in gated communities telling poor people in the ghetto they do not need guns. FUCK YOU. YOU don't need guns but we live among the animals. I hope every one of them dies at the hands of a thug robbing their house and raping their Wife, or even better yet, them. Then you find out what guns are for.

As far as the government, that is not a matter of an upfront confrontation, it is a matter of preventing them from doing business. Even a million people surrounding the whitehouse would not be enough. WE KNOW THAT. But eventually enough people will be disenfranchised that they won't be able to leave the whitehouse. And that applies to state and local governments as well, though most are not as bad and corrupt as the federal government. Plus there is usually more mechanism for change at the state and local level. And some states have threatened that they will arrest federal agents for certain things. I mean officially.

So California does this stupid shit that won't work and people will just drive to Nevada to buy guns. And BTW, guns are like about totally legal in Nevada except for Las Vegas, how come there aren't more shootings there ?

In fact gun grabber types say that the guns in Chicago are bought fro surrounding communities, well how come those surrounding communities don't have more gun violence ?

The people are different. well we got the people we got and that is that. It is illegal to shoot them, and most of them were born here so you can't deport them so all you can do is defend yourself, since the cops have no obligation to do so whatsoever.

What's more, this California law will be and should be struck down by the courts since Castle Law Doctrine. They have no choice or else they get overturned. The only way it can stand is if Clinton wins and gets a democrat congress and gets a supreme court justice in there who is liberal. Plus, someone has to bring the suit and pay for it through all the steps, state supreme court, district court and all that. What's more, the supreme court can simply refuse to hear the case.

Fuck California, I would like to see it drift off into the sea, and then capsize because of too many people on it like that democrat politician thought would happen. Special emission controls on cars for there. I would have just stopped selling cars there. They almost drove Amazon out of there but they backed down. Amazon could very easily just move over the state line. But the cars ? That was the stupidest thing I ever seen. Like if you moved there from say Kansas you would have to change the camshaft and who knows what else. You know how hard it is to change a camshaft in a car ? They don't. You might as well scrap the thing and buy a 1967 Chevy.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 1:54:06 AM   
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They are the largest market in the United States. So you aren't for letting the market decide?

And of course there is a law that says you have to pay income tax. Constitution proper and the 16th amendment.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 2:04:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Ron, you have just proven yourself totally devoid of any knowledge of manufacturing.

The technology it takes to do this will price guns out of the range of the people who need them the most.

Are you for that ? Old people who cannot run or fight, n_____s climbing in the windows. They should just give up the nice shit in their house they worked for and earned, to thugs who would rape them ?

You go live in that world. To my last breath I am against that bullshit.

You do what you want when I am gone. My little second cousins will learn to work the world just like I did, and I was pretty good at it for a time. That ended. Now they will have their time. And theirs after them.

And each one of them, that means girls too, will be taken into the basement and be taught how to shoot. And they will learn to drive on a manual transmission.

In other words this family eagerly awaits California falling into the ocean. Wish we could get rid of New York the same way. Too bad global warming won't do enough...

T^T




Go away you untutored fool. microstamping the pin at manufacture is trivial. it is an automated and quick operation. just before it goes to heat. Look, they engrave guns, they put crosshatch on the stocks and forearms, even many cheap ass guns, lose that shit. Don't pretend you have some insight into cutting parts, you do not.


Another fucking idiot I see. So OK, YOU design the tool that does this and makes a distinct microscopic pattern on each and every firing pin. And then YOU build the machine that does it.

YOU have just proven you know nothing about manufacturing. No wonder you have so much time on your hands.

I have been in the business and know engineers, one of whom made dies for the impellers for jet engines that had like 18 pulls to get the piece out. Know what pulls are when it comes to a die or casting ?

So you got these firing pins and they go into a big bin, they are NOT going to take and record the number off of each one, they will then have to do a test fire and then read the imprint.

Guns are no longer made in a barn out in the hills, they use modern manufacturing techniques and the manufacturers have damn good reason for not wanting to do this. It is stupid and useless. They have had ballistics testing for decades and it solved maybe a dozen murders. Out of how many ?

Plus the fact, another one you don't know, more than half of the murders in this country are unsolved and will remain that way. And many are not even investigated. They don't give a shit unless you are a person of interest or have alot of clout. You think homicide is detecting about all the people shot in Chicago ? Do you think all those bodies in the landfills in Cleveland in the 1960s had a full forensics examination ?

All they are doing is trying to raise the price of guns to keep them out of the hands of the poor, read Black. But also the White poor. The rich don't want a revolt or any upset because they got it good and like the status quo. Well a growing portion of the population is fucking sick of the status quo.

Are you going to give up your gun at the pawn shop ? Just let everyone know you have a bunch of money there and no gun ? Well if you want other people not to have guns you give up your own.

You can't make guns cost ten grand, not with stupid regulations like this. It is against the Constitution. Just like when you get into a court case, you don't have to pay any fees for getting public documents. They have already made it so you can get an ID free so that people who don't even have the twelve bucks can vote.

Have you ever worked in a machine shop or even studied the field ? Or metallurgy ? Well I have. Something engraved or whatever you want to call it that is that small will wear off before the buyer leaves the shooting range after practice with it. Even if it is titanium. It is a matter of PSI and pressure and inertia and whatever else. If you are such an expert on all this, tell us how many shots can be fired out of such a gun before the unique pattern is worn off to the point that is was a waste of time. You implement this stupid plan if you are so smart, and go to the range ike ten times, shoot like five or six clips every time and then see if the imprint is readable.

Stick to making up words like nutsucker and felchwhatever instead of talking adult things with people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about.

T^T

No, you are the shitbreather here. The machines already exist. Dude, the riflings of each barrel are unique, thats how they match bullets fired to a gun. Look at letter stamps, how long to wear?

https://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-6610-32-Inch-Letter-36-Piece/dp/B000NPUKY8

Now, to laser engrave the stamp head in miniature, well, been done for a century probably.

http://microstamp.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=23&products_id=85&zenid=n4qtrjpqjv6t1c34f6b17t95q5

case harden and there you go.

You should learn machining.

insofar as wear.....

well, you have case hardened steel (with or without a microstamp), and with the use of a spring denting brass or the new throwaway aluminum.

Yeah, no big deal for wear.

You should learn metallurgy.


Alright brainiac, how the fuck much do you think this bullshit will cost ?

What's more, what good will it do ? If I shoot someone it is because I was threatened and I do not carry when out in pubic. (maybe I should)

And are you trying to tell me that that primer that ignites the charge does not experience any of the pressure from that charge ?

And, are they going to test fire every gun at the factory and give out a sheet with the pattern these firing pins produce ?

And, is there going to be a database maintained by law enforcement that doesn't even process rape kits for two fucking years that will be up to date and be able to find out from whom the gun was stolen ?

It may have slipped your mind but most gun owners are law abiding Citizens, and if they buy a new one they have to pass a background check already. The only reason for this imprint on the firing pin shit is because in the city people do, and should, use hollow points or whatever that will not go through the target and into the next room, or apartment, or house.

Or actually make it so only the better off can afford guns, have you even thought of the cost of this ? I bet not.

Go back to making up adjectives, the only other thing you can do apparently is to buy $100 guitars off people down on their luck for $10.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 2:30:12 AM   
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They are the largest market in the United States. So you aren't for letting the market decide?

And of course there is a law that says you have to pay income tax. Constitution proper and the 16th amendment.


There is no law that you have to pay income tax. Look it up. Everything you find will be IRS code and the IRS is a private corporation based in Delaware.

When pressed, officials will say that there needs to be no specific law because it is in the Constitution but that is bullshit. For example the Bill Of Rights say you cannot be deprived of life without due process, but they wrote laws against murder. Why ? Because "congress" shall enact laws to make it happen.

I know people who have beaten them into the fucking dirt, you have NOTHING to say here. You can come up with any cite, any code any anything and it will not be actual law. I am not under the jurisdiction of that private corporation in Delaware known as the IRS. I have a copy of their incorporation papers, care to see them ? I can dropbox them. A friend of mine had the actual certified copies from that state, notarized and everything. He got old and died but he paid nothing and they knew right where he was. Another friend made about $300,000 a year in the construction business and paid nothing. I saw the form they sent him after the banter declaring him a non-taxpayer. I was like WTF, he said it is like being an international arms dealer. I was not easy to convince.

But the fact remains that anything you can quote about who has to pay taxes is IRS code and they are not part of the government and that code was not legislated. The rates are, but not who has to pay.

Look it up.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 2:43:28 AM   
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Actually who has to file IS legislated, but "income" is poorly defined. This leaves a loophole for their friends of course.

And the 1040 is a contract. It is not just a sheet or whatever. The people who beat the IRS did not file. Those who did file always lose.

T^T

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 5:18:30 AM   
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Not quite like this, but aren't guns property? Governments do tax that. Is there really not any way to tax $10,000/year as a property tax on firearms? Seems reasonable. I hope someone proposes it...I'd personally go $10 million/year, but $10,000 is a good start.

It is unconstitutional to tax a right. That is why the poll tax was found to be unconstitutional.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 5:24:25 AM   
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And about my guns ? Come and try to take them, you get them lead part first.

If "they" decide to take your guns "they" will not send the girl scouts to do it.
You are not the bad ass you think you are.
Sonny barger talked the same line of shit but when the cops came to arrest him he put his hands up and walked out like a little girl. He did his time in the slam and now owns a harley dealership and collects royalities off his book.
Trust me you ain't no sonny barger.




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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 5:28:21 AM   
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Al capone was convicted with perjured testimony, and a "salted" jury.
Do you know who o'hare airport is named after? Do you know who that sailor's daddy was?

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 6:16:28 AM   
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You do not seem to know much about machining or metalurgy.
Consider a waffle head framing hammer. Nail heads are "relatively" soft,(the head being harder than the shank due to the "work hardening" induced by the forging aspect of forming the head) but not nearly as soft as the primer on a bullet. The convex "waffle" face of a framing hammer will typically be case hardened to 50 or less rockwell "c" scale. Consider two to three swats per nail times how many tens of thousands of nails driven before the hammer needs to be replaced. Firing pins are made from tool steel to retain toughness and hardened at each end to between rockwell 40c-50c. So typically just as hard as a framing hammer but striking a much softer metal.

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RE: CA attempts backdoor gun ban - 10/28/2016 6:56:42 AM   
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Attempts! why not just take the guns of the lot of you

Article nuggets
California's gun laws are among the nation's strictest
Filed on behalf of the Second Amendment Foundation and Calguns Foundation against the Chief of the California
"The problem is the people who need guns the most and benefit the most from owning gun, poor individuals in high crime areas, are priced out of the market,”

How many people are killed 32 000-40 000 pa
and about another 80 000 maimed wounded pa.
How many of that from illegal guns I wonder

The technology the article speaks off I have no idea what its on about - stamping the bullet catridge gun barrel(marking)

And the article title is misleading as it would apply to new guns only....oh okay I hate looking up these kins of figures but if California has the strictest gun laws let us see where they fit in state carnage/mayhem wise - there about 14th in the list of murder by gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_the_United_States_by_state

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