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blnymph -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 5:57:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph So what culture are you guys talking about? To say that Japanese doesn't have one of the "purest" culture is ridiculous! Because there are things that are so uniquely and easily identifiable uniquely only Japanese. It's very different from, let's say, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between dutch, belgium or german culture. Having unique and easily identifiable elements in a culture does not make it "pure" - just partly unique and easily identifiable. Does a Japanese garden in a German town make the town less German? No - it just adds some element for the locals to enjoy, or to ignore, or to dislike, whatever ... Differences between cultures have roots in many different elements that can result in varieties - like geography (islands and mountains can be of importance here), religion (as in your European example of Belgium and the Netherlands), diversity of dialects that are at some time made "official language" (as in your example of the Netherlands and Germany), food, dress, agriculture, philosophy, history, population migrations, epidemic diseases, and quite a few more ... all those things CAN be important, but there is no innate force in them that they have to. In my former example of the language English you can see that the spreading of English did not spread the script it was originally written in which was futhork. Did the change of script make the culture less English?

Greta75 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 5:59:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 There is nothing Chinese about Japanese. Apart from the kanji alphabet, Buddhism and Confuscianism, the I Ching and various other adopted Chinese classics, the cultural tendency towards elaborate and highly structured bureaucratic systems, filial piety and probably a lot more that doesn't immediately spring to mind, you mean? The Japanese have had a tendency towards dismissing Chinese influences on their culture since Japan was opened up to the west, and certainly the west has been far more of influence since the nineteenth century, but saying that there's no cultural influence from China into Japan is just plain daft. First of all, one big key difference is women standing in Japanese culture. Japanese women are truly the stereotypical submissive women to their men. But Chinese women usually rule over their men. Japanese women are more gentle, Chinese women are aggressive. And also Japanese men and Chinese men are just world's apart too. I don't see any Chinese influence on Japanese culture at all. Name one. Please don't tell me noodles. If the Japanese actually properly adopt confucism and Buddhism, there wouldn't be world war 2.

Edwird -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 5:59:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's not xenophobia not to accept cultures that are negative and incompatible. I mean honour killing is a culture. Is it xenophobia to refused to accept their culture? That is easy to deal with. A country has laws. In the US we have laws to say what we allow or not. We don't reject a people because of their culture, we only reject whatever particular thing in that culture that is not legal here. Rejecting a particular item from a culture is not rejecting the entire culture. And accepting what of their culture is legal here does not necessarily mean we accept everything in their culture, Islamophobic screaming on that last point notwithstanding.

heavyblinker -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:02:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen The stupidity never ceases to amaze me how it seems that it's only racist and evil when whites do it. The left points at the white population and say "how dare you" while its all okay for the rest of the world to do it. A day will come when the world does not owe you an apology, but tragically, it seems that day is not today. I will cry myself to sleep tonight, just thinking of all you have had to endure. Oh wait-- nobody on this thread actually said that it was only racist and evil when whites do it. But hey, you should start another thread about it... I'm sure everyone would learn a lot.

Greta75 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:04:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's not xenophobia not to accept cultures that are negative and incompatible. I mean honour killing is a culture. Is it xenophobia to refused to accept their culture? That is easy to deal with. A country has laws. In the US we have laws to say what we allow or not. We don't reject a people because of their culture, we only reject whatever particular thing in that culture that is not legal here. Rejecting a particular item from a culture is not rejecting the entire culture. And accepting what of their culture is legal here does not necessarily mean we accept everything in their culture, Islamophobic screaming on that last point notwithstanding. Again I disagree. Maybe because I came from a country where polygamous marriage is made legally allowed for Muslims only. The waived the need for them to follow civil law in that aspect. That is them accepting one of their culture. So to extend your law to disallow their culture, is a form of not accepting their culture.

thompsonx -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:09:08 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's not xenophobia not to accept cultures that are negative and incompatible. In english that means something different than what you think it means. Wanna get someone who speaks spanish to "splane it to you lucy"? I mean honour killing is a culture. Which culture does not have "honor killing"? Isnt it pretty common in amerika,italy,japan,china,germany?

Greta75 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:13:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker You're talking about customs, not cultures. But seriously, look at what you're saying... 'cultures should be kept pure'. Do you know any famous 20th century figures who were big on racial and cultural purity? Racial purity is still very big in Asia actually. And we see absolutely zero issue about wanting to preserve our race. This doesn't mean that you aren't friendly to other races. You can be best friends. You can have sex. But it means, you make sure your off springs are of your pure race and you don't mix the blood. So don't have babies with other races. Customs is a form of culture by the way.

tweakabelle -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:14:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 There is nothing Chinese about Japanese. Apart from the kanji alphabet, Buddhism and Confuscianism, the I Ching and various other adopted Chinese classics, the cultural tendency towards elaborate and highly structured bureaucratic systems, filial piety and probably a lot more that doesn't immediately spring to mind, you mean? The Japanese have had a tendency towards dismissing Chinese influences on their culture since Japan was opened up to the west, and certainly the west has been far more of influence since the nineteenth century, but saying that there's no cultural influence from China into Japan is just plain daft. First of all, one big key difference is women standing in Japanese culture. Japanese women are truly the stereotypical submissive women to their men. But Chinese women usually rule over their men. Japanese women are more gentle, Chinese women are aggressive. And also Japanese men and Chinese men are just world's apart too. I don't see any Chinese influence on Japanese culture at all. Name one. Please don't tell me noodles. Greta, you might not have noticed it but Whore Mods already listed seven (7) significant areas where Chinese culture has influenced Japanese culture. I have put them in bold above. There are many more. No culture is an island, no culture is "pure". Every culture borrows significant elements from other cultures usually the surrounding ones (historically) but nowadays it's very difficult to think of a culture that hasn't imported significant elements from European culture eg language law legal systems health and hygiene consumer goods etc. No culture is static or fixed. They constantly grow, evolve and adapt to different circumstances, new technologies and so on. American culture is one of the more dynamic ones on the planet. Its political culture has gone from Jim Crow and racial segregation to having a black President in a mere 50 or so years. It has demonstrated that it has the capacity to change for the better and to heal some of the residual wounds from the past. The question is will it continue to exhibit that admirable ability to change for the better and eliminate the hatreds Trump has stirred up and manipulated as part of his 'campaign'?

blnymph -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:16:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It's not xenophobia not to accept cultures that are negative and incompatible. I mean honour killing is a culture. Is it xenophobia to refused to accept their culture? That is easy to deal with. A country has laws. In the US we have laws to say what we allow or not. We don't reject a people because of their culture, we only reject whatever particular thing in that culture that is not legal here. Rejecting a particular item from a culture is not rejecting the entire culture. And accepting what of their culture is legal here does not necessarily mean we accept everything in their culture, Islamophobic screaming on that last point notwithstanding. Again I disagree. Maybe because I came from a country where polygamous marriage is made legally allowed for Muslims only. The waived the need for them to follow civil law in that aspect. That is them accepting one of their culture. So to extend your law to disallow their culture, is a form of not accepting their culture. To my knowledge there are also Muslim majority as well as minority countries that abolished polygamy, like Turkey, Albania, Bosnia, maybe more. As you said so yourself there are lots of possible reasons, religious, civil law, protection of majority/minority rights, mostly political rather than cultural.

Edwird -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:19:29 AM)
quote: Again I disagree. Maybe because I came from a country where polygamous marriage is made legally allowed for Muslims only. The waived the need for them to follow civil law in that aspect. That's because the country is basically run by Chinese immigrants with western (British) influence on Malaysian land.

Greta75 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:20:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird That's because the country is basically run by Chinese immigrants with western (British) influence on Malaysian land. What has that gotta do with allowing polygamous marriage ONLY for a specific culture? Hong Kong is also British influenced chinese and do no such things. And we are no longer Malaysian land for 50 years already. The law could have been terminated but it's not.

mnottertail -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:21:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Oh, sorry you lose take off your pants. The pure Japanese (Ainu) are an ethnic minority. Most of those folks are heavily Chinese and Korean, etc. Their culture is an amalgamation. Like saying our country or culture is pure because we have some reservations of native Americans, and have some touristy gift shop dreamcatchers in our homes. There is nothing Chinese about Japanese. Maybe we look the same to you. But it's very obvious here that we are night and day. No, I am rarely fooled by the difference in your looks. The pure Japanese were inbred with the Chinese and Koreans and theVietnamese and so on for centuries. Everybody was everybodies comfort slave in the feudal warring periods. Don't be pretending. Nothing 'pure' about Japanese. Watanabe Ken: are you telling me he is pure Japanese in his lineage? Definitely Chinese in there. But now he is Ken Watanabe, cant see that as pure Japanese either. Sort of taking on some western airs. The Geisha is Japanese, no? why? Zhang Ziyi Gong Li Iûⁿ chú-khēng Why anyone but Japanese playing them? Cant you tell the difference?

Greta75 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:24:49 AM)
What has chinese women playing geisha gotta do with anything? Robert Dowry Jr played a black man for gawd's sake in Tropic Thunder. And his not even black.

Edwird -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:30:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph ... diversity of dialects that are at some time made "official language" (as in your example of the Netherlands and Germany), ... Like the linguists say: "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy."

WhoreMods -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:31:20 AM)
Ron raises a good point about Koreans: the Japanese and Chinese both look down on them, but historically they provided a buffer for cultural exchange between the two nations and a lot of the Chinese cultural influences in Japanese society were introduced by way of Korea. Buddhism for a start, to pick the most obvious example.

WhoreMods -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:32:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 What has chinese women playing geisha gotta do with anything? Robert Dowry Jr played a black man for gawd's sake in Tropic Thunder. And his not even black. No, he played a white man in blackface.

mnottertail -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:36:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 What has chinese women playing geisha gotta do with anything? Robert Dowry Jr played a black man for gawd's sake in Tropic Thunder. And his not even black. Lots. I can tell the difference, and the purity of the Japanese culture is as big a myth as Donald Trump is sentient. Its naught to do with culture. It is to do with protected economy, an idea borrowed from the United States, so nothing pure in that japanese culture. Like the Chinese, no original thinkers there, steal from others and make it efficient to the utmost.

Greta75 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:38:03 AM)
Number 1, Geisha women are kinda seen as whores. The Japanese are more than happy for the chinese to play a "whore" role. Don't you know Jap and chinese hate each other? That is the real reason. Of course technically they aren't suppose to sleep with men, but they are there to entertain men.

Aylee -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:50:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Healing will be a great deal easier if the losing candidate concedes defeat gracefully, as tradition has long had it. Like Al Gore right? Or Jefferson and Adams? And let's not forget the election of Lincoln. sigh You are such a hatchet faced nutmeg dealer with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

Edwird -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 6:51:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird That's because the country is basically run by Chinese immigrants with western (British) influence on Malaysian land. What has that gotta do with allowing polygamous marriage ONLY for a specific culture? Hong Kong is also British influenced chinese and do no such things. I guess you haven't noticed, so I'll point it out for you; Singapore is populated by Malaysians and Chinese, with different cultural backgrounds. Hong Kong, being in China, is Chinese, with Chinese cultural background. Hope that's not too hard for you.

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