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Real0ne -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 8:42:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne needs of gubmint (mob) over the needs of the people. they never forget to tell us how free we are! Also, did you notice that the British anthem is called God Save the Queen, and US currency says In God We Trust? Those sneaky bastards, imposing their culture, no, their brand ... no, their EMPIRE on us! Every time we buy bubble gum, why don't we just kneel before the candy counter as we lay our coins upon it and accept the reality. I have no evidence that isnt the INGODWE 'trust', keeping in mind that the gubmint is a trust and officials are trustees, we the (on paper anyway) beneficiaries. The constitution creates both a contract and trust covenant.

Real0ne -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 8:44:25 AM)
So tweak do you think america wil heal when the source of all its ills is corruption and we vote in corrupt politicians to perpetuate the corruption?

Edwird -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 8:55:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne needs of gubmint (mob) over the needs of the people. they never forget to tell us how free we are! Whereas the needs of the corporation and the needs of the people find themselves in harmonious congruence; my favorite bedtime story as well as yours. There's nothing like the freedom of paying $35 to get a simple knit shirt whose buttons fall off in two months, because we know we have the choice (the freedom!) of paying $65-75 for a shirt whose buttons hang on for a year plus three weeks.

vincentML -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 11:12:07 AM)
Heal ourselves? Do you assume this is some recent illness? Not true. The defect has been a conspicuous part of our history as a nation. There have always been grievances expressed as ugly Nativism. It is true of other nations as well. The white working class is suffering the result of job loss to automation and displacement (immigration/outsourcing) This is not new. The first textile mills employed people in New England before they migrated to North Carolina and then to Bangladesh. Creative destruction is endemic to Capitalism. These forces will not change. The grievances will not wither and there will always be some demagogue to try to take advantage of the working class. Populism can mobilize the masses but it has never governed successfully. Well, maybe Andrew Jackson was an exception.

heavyblinker -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 11:53:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Racial purity is still very big in Asia actually. And we see absolutely zero issue about wanting to preserve our race. A lot of it is leftover from Imperial Japan's conquest of Asia. Korean nationalism is actually a leftover from a propaganda campaign initiated by Japanese fascists who needed the citizens of their puppet governments to fight for them... all of this 'clean blood' bullshit is ridiculous because they were raped and pillaged by the Mongols long ago. There was never a full-on rejection of fascism in Asia like that which occurred in Europe, so the remnants linger, albeit muddled with a widespread resentment/envy of Japan both for its military aggression and the economic success it enjoyed after the war. quote: This doesn't mean that you aren't friendly to other races. You can be best friends. You can have sex. But it means, you make sure your off springs are of your pure race and you don't mix the blood. So don't have babies with other races. Yeah, that's definitely not racist or xenophobic at all. Jesus Christ, Greta. quote: Customs is a form of culture by the way. Customs are individual behaviors within a culture. You were condemning customs, not culture. Well, actually you were using certain customs to 'prove' that Islamic culture is barbaric.

WhoreMods -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 11:58:18 AM)
Good luck getting a response to that: I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the use of the kanji alphabet in Japan isn't a Chinese cultural import.

mnottertail -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 12:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne needs of gubmint (mob) over the needs of the people. they never forget to tell us how free we are! Whereas the needs of the corporation and the needs of the people find themselves in harmonious congruence; my favorite bedtime story as well as yours. There's nothing like the freedom of paying $35 to get a simple knit shirt whose buttons fall off in two months, because we know we have the choice (the freedom!) of paying $65-75 for a shirt whose buttons hang on for a year plus three weeks. And who would be consoled for the loss of an arm by knowing that he had nevertheless bought his shirts forty per cent cheaper? Friedrich List (think about it this time)

mnottertail -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 12:02:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Good luck getting a response to that: I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the use of the kanji alphabet in Japan isn't a Chinese cultural import. Because it is pronounced different? Just thinking outside the box..........

WhoreMods -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 12:10:53 PM)
Possibly. I'm a bit peeved that I pointed out that the Japanese (among other cultural imports I'm unaware of or don't remember, no doubt) use a Chinese alphabet, spent their feudal period impersonating the Chinese Imperial court and bureaucracy, imported Buddhism by way of China rather than straight from India and are big on the I Ching and several other Chinese classics, but was fobbed off with some snotty comment about how I apparently think both cultures are identical because they both eat noodles, if I'm honest.

mnottertail -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 12:16:12 PM)
Uh, chopsticks.

DesideriScuri -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 12:49:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle After the most brutal election campaign in living memory, one thing is clear irrespective of who wins - the USA is deeply divided, with fault lines on race, gender and class reflecting that divide. The racism xenophobia and hate that marred the election campaign needs to be stared down. The naked anger that fuelled Trump's campaign needs to be recognised and addressed. Healing will be a great deal easier if the losing candidate concedes defeat gracefully, as tradition has long had it. However on this there are no guarantees from one side. Will the losers accept the people's verdict? If not what does the future hold for the US? Will the GOP split into populist and establishment wings with the populist wing refusing to accept a possible Clinton Presidency under any circumstances? Will healing and unity be possible if a significant portion of the population withholds consent and tries to delegitimise the result? How can the complex issues that intersect with those deep fault lines be resolved in a manner that will satisfy the electorate? Is a solution possible to issues like abortion, institutional racism, unemployment and underemployment? Will Trump or Clinton be the person to achieve that resolution and reconciliation? Will Congress rise to the challenge or continue in its self indulgent blanket opposition to Presidential initiatives? And if they fail .....? Will we end up having to remove the 'United' bit from the United States of America? ETA: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37891511 The sky is falling! The sky is falling! When will the divisions heal? When there isn't anything to gain by having those divisions. Until that happens, there will always be someone or some group trying to get ahead by use of that division. When our leaders start speaking honestly and directly, things will get better. For instance, it's dishonest to say that those who want a wall built along the US's southern border oppose immigration, when the truth is that they oppose illegal immigration. When we stop treating everybody like they're owed something, or that our kids are too fragile to not be able to handle that they weren't #1. Until then, forget about it. It's too lucrative (either monetarily and/or for gaining power) for it not to be played up and kept going.

Edwird -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 2:27:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne needs of gubmint (mob) over the needs of the people. they never forget to tell us how free we are! Whereas the needs of the corporation and the needs of the people find themselves in harmonious congruence; my favorite bedtime story as well as yours. There's nothing like the freedom of paying $35 to get a simple knit shirt whose buttons fall off in two months, because we know we have the choice (the freedom!) of paying $65-75 for a shirt whose buttons hang on for a year plus three weeks. And who would be consoled for the loss of an arm by knowing that he had nevertheless bought his shirts forty per cent cheaper? Fully aware of that, and all it entails. That wasn't the point.

dcnovice -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 2:37:24 PM)
quote: How will the US heal itself? I don't know. This campaign has been a PET scan of the body politic, revealing multiple malignancies.

tj444 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 7:38:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri When our leaders start speaking honestly and directly, things will get better. For instance, it's dishonest to say that those who want a wall built along the US's southern border oppose immigration, when the truth is that they oppose illegal immigration. thats bull shite, many of those that want The Wall DO oppose ALL immigration, at least one poster on this forum certainly does and has said so.. I have seen that view on other forums/sites as well..

ManOeuvre -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 7:42:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri When our leaders start speaking honestly and directly, things will get better. For instance, it's dishonest to say that those who want a wall built along the US's southern border oppose immigration, when the truth is that they oppose illegal immigration. thats bull shite, many of those that want The Wall DO oppose ALL immigration, at least one poster on this forum certainly does and has said so.. I have seen that view on other forums/sites as well.. TJ, despite calling his idea BS, your counterexample doesn't contradict Mr. Scuri. In fact, his contention that dishonesty is in play may be getting some support from you.

Greta75 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 8:29:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Yeah, that's definitely not racist or xenophobic at all. Jesus Christ, Greta. This is why I cannot stand left philosophy. Refusing to have a mix race baby is a personal choice to do your part in preserving your own race. It has nothing to do with Racism. It's preserving heritage. I mean why would anybody want their own race to go extinct for? This doesn't mean that we are against other people having mix race babies. But it's like taking up a cause. Not everybody has to do it.

Marini -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 9:27:52 PM)
Let the healing begin.

mnottertail -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 10:25:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne needs of gubmint (mob) over the needs of the people. they never forget to tell us how free we are! Whereas the needs of the corporation and the needs of the people find themselves in harmonious congruence; my favorite bedtime story as well as yours. There's nothing like the freedom of paying $35 to get a simple knit shirt whose buttons fall off in two months, because we know we have the choice (the freedom!) of paying $65-75 for a shirt whose buttons hang on for a year plus three weeks. And who would be consoled for the loss of an arm by knowing that he had nevertheless bought his shirts forty per cent cheaper? Fully aware of that, and all it entails. That wasn't the point. It was for me. the parentheses part was not directed at you but an fr.

Edwird -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 10:44:34 PM)
Ah. Sorry for the miss. But yes, what you mention is the other side of it.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: How will the US heal itself? (11/8/2016 10:48:43 PM)
You may be right DS about some people opposing ILLEGAL immigration but from some of the ones I saw on TV over here, they opposed ALL immigration and wanted to keep America pure for 'murikans' ( or at least that's what it sounded like.) How pure-blood is the average American ? Like Australians, he is more of a mix than hokey-pokey ice cream. THAT'S what makes a country.

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