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tweak..
trump should never take off his Kevlar jacket.

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It won't.
The US does not want to come together or agree.

How can people still be outraged over their conspiracy theories and general paranoia if they're not divided? How could anyone possibly justify amassing gun collections if they don't feel like the shit is going to hit the fan at any minute?

Getting along and working together is too boring for it to ever work.

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It's not xenophobia not to accept cultures that are negative and incompatible.

You're talking about customs, not cultures.

But seriously, look at what you're saying... 'cultures should be kept pure'.
Do you know any famous 20th century figures who were big on racial and cultural purity?

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There is nothing Chinese about Japanese.

Apart from the kanji alphabet, Buddhism and Confuscianism, the I Ching and various other adopted Chinese classics, the cultural tendency towards elaborate and highly structured bureaucratic systems, filial piety and probably a lot more that doesn't immediately spring to mind, you mean?
The Japanese have had a tendency towards dismissing Chinese influences on their culture since Japan was opened up to the west, and certainly the west has been far more of influence since the nineteenth century, but saying that there's no cultural influence from China into Japan is just plain daft.

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Japanese structured bureaucratic context came from McAuthor, Chinese from Mao.

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Healing will be a great deal easier if the losing candidate concedes defeat gracefully, as tradition has long had it.

Like Al Gore right? Or Jefferson and Adams? And let's not forget the election of Lincoln.

sigh

You are such a hatchet faced nutmeg dealer with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

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After the most brutal election campaign in living memory, one thing is clear irrespective of who wins - the USA is deeply divided, with fault lines on race, gender and class reflecting that divide. The racism xenophobia and hate that marred the election campaign needs to be stared down. The naked anger that fuelled Trump's campaign needs to be recognised and addressed.

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I have to disagree. The best way to heal the manufactured divide in race, gender, and ethnic groups is to toss out the Democrats that have been fanning the fire for decades to woo minority votes. We need to return to the ideal where race doesn't matter, sex doesn't matter, only performance and integrity matter.

If you actually look at the actions and not the rampant accusations; the Clinton supporters were the ones fueling actual violence. The Trump campaign voiced concerns and intentions on controlling illegal actions. If one ethnic group (not race - ethnic group as in common cultural attitudes) is causing the majority of the problems; it needs to be addressed. We need to stop screaming "racist" when someone is trying to have a dialog about why one ethnic group is having problems far higher than their numbers should account for.

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part of merc's post touches on this:

im a conservative leaning libertarian---I don't see the collectivist left as anyone I need to experience "healing" with. I see them as a social/political enemy to convert, or barring that, defeat.

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Good luck getting a response to that: I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the use of the kanji alphabet in Japan isn't a Chinese cultural import.

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Healing will be a great deal easier if the losing candidate concedes defeat gracefully, as tradition has long had it.

Like Al Gore right? Or Jefferson and Adams? And let's not forget the election of Lincoln.

sigh

You are such a hatchet faced nutmeg dealer with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.

Actually, Nixon did gracefully concede to Kennedy even though he could have done an Al Gore (sore/loserman). But he put the country ahead of himself.

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part of merc's post touches on this:

im a conservative leaning libertarian---I don't see the collectivist left as anyone I need to experience "healing" with. I see them as a social/political enemy to convert, or barring that, defeat.

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The US was always going to have problems after this election, but honestly, I think it's probably going to break apart now. In fact, I hope it does... because it does not deserve to have the influence it does on the world.

Trump was always supposed to be a terrible joke, the right wingers trolling the system to see if they could get away with it... I honestly thought that Hillary would breeze through, and lose after 4 years to a GOP candidate with half a brain. But instead, we have this goddam nightmare. We have a guy who will get to the white house in January and not know what to do... whether or not he cares to learn is up in the air, but I can only imagine the sort of shit that is going to come out of his mouth in the next 4 years. Humiliating, painful shit that might even let his ignorant supporters know exactly what kind of mistake they've made.

Trump is not a unifier in any sense of the word... he campaigned on hate, stupidity and ignorance. It will grow and grow and his 'policies' will do nothing but aggravate the divisions between classes, races, cultures, countries, intellectuals and anti-intellectuals, etc. He might even be able to distract people with enough scapegoating and hatred to win another term.

I don't think I'm alone in saying that this election has completely destroyed what little faith I had in democracy and has certainly made me question western culture and its values. How could anything that is as inherently good as some people think produce such a terrible string of events? How could liberal democracy have failed so badly?

The agonizing humiliation of watching this man pretend to be a respectable figure on a daily basis is more than my masochistic mind can bear. Knowing that there are people out there who can't tell the difference between Trump and someone who deserves to be there is too much to bear. There will be people who will tell me it isn't going to be so bad, but the reasons they give me will be too ignorant to bear.

This is seriously drop-out-of-society levels of existential despair.