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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/23/2016 8:49:03 AM   
truckinslave


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My freedom of speech trumps a desire not to be insulted.

It's just tough shit if Mohammedans feel insulted by my sneering at their headrags

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/23/2016 8:52:55 AM   
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There it is.

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/23/2016 8:56:58 AM   
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Yeah, like the catholic child molesters, lets strip them priests and sisters, whores one and all bare. Goddammit, we are a xtian country!!!!! Cardinals and Popes? bar them all from entering the country, until we can figure out who these molesters are!!!!

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/23/2016 8:38:49 PM   
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Yeah, like the catholic child molesters, lets strip them priests and sisters, whores one and all bare. Goddammit, we are a xtian country!!!!! Cardinals and Popes? bar them all from entering the country, until we can figure out who these molesters are!!!!



We probably would have been better off if we did that. How many innocent boys and people were damaged by those pedophile priests and that terrible religion.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 4:17:43 AM   
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Yeah, like the catholic child molesters, lets strip them priests and sisters, whores one and all bare. Goddammit, we are a xtian country!!!!! Cardinals and Popes? bar them all from entering the country, until we can figure out who these molesters are!!!!


We probably would have been better off if we did that. How many innocent boys and people were damaged by those pedophile priests and that terrible religion.

Are you going to perforate the constitution before you use it for shit paper or just wad it up?

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 4:20:19 AM   
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My freedom of speech trumps a desire not to be insulted.

Have you ever tried that in public tough guy?

It's just tough shit if Mohammedans feel insulted by my sneering at their headrags


Just as we feel it is tough shit that you are offended when we sneer at your moronic rhetoric.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 4:31:07 AM   
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I don't have a problem with other cultures. I lived in Vegas for 5 years... as a white person i felt like the minority there.


Las vegas is predominantly white;
http://statisticalatlas.com/place/Nevada/Las-Vegas/Race-and-Ethnicity

It took some getting used to but i enjoyed it. I really did. My Master is Jewish. I've had several friends who were Mexican, black, Philapino, etc.

My point wa i don't care who/what religion, race, gender, etc walked into a public place with their face fully covered... i wouldn't feel safe and i would leave.


You obviously never got down to the freemont street experience.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:04:05 AM   
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Greta, I live in the United States of America. One of our tenets here is tgat all are free to practice their religion, as long as it does not interfere with others, or with the state.

If a woman wishes to wear a hijab, a man wear a yarmulke, or a Catholic put ashes on their forehead, these practices do not interfere. If a Muslim eats halal, a Jew eats kosher, a Seventh Day Adventist eats meat substitute, they do not interfere.

Each of those examples represent freedom of religion.

As America demonstrates tolerance, we hope to set an example to the world.


Oh for phoques sake will you stop with all that logical and rational bullshit...this is a thread about irrational hatred.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:10:35 AM   
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They've been brainwashed from birth Greta. You can't even begin to expect them to be rational.

Of course you and greta are way too smart to be brainwashed yet more than a billion others are simply too stupid to think. What are the odds on that possibility?

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:14:25 AM   
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I wouldn't feel safe at all if a person was in a public space dressed like that... no. I would't feel safe with someone walking into a bank i was banking in wearing a ski mask either. If you think there's something wrong with that... well... tough shit. I value my own personal safety more than i value some stranger's 'right' to conceal themselves. It's a public safety & security issue.

For public "safety and security" you would ban overcoats, mumus,back packs, motorcycle helmets, baggy clothes....
jesus you are a phoquing pussy...grow a pair

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:16:26 AM   
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I don't know how safe i would feel in a public place with people dressed like that to be honest with you.

Are you just as skeered of those who carry guns in public?
You are the one who is always pimping the concept that the weak desereve to be bullied by the strong.
Grow a pair.



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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:25:36 AM   
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How do you know what's under there?


How do you know what is under a mumu?
How do you know what is under an overcoat?
How do you know what is in a purse?
How do you know what is in a back pack?
How do you know what is in a grocery bag?
How do you know what is in a brief case?
You seem to be a very "skeered" person.


It might not be a woman.


It might be a zombie or a space alien.
What has caused you to live your life in such abject terror of "what if"?


It might be a nutcase suicide bomber with a bomb strapped around it's body. How about that walking into a bank? I don't think it's a good idea to let that type of dress be allowed in public spaces.

Would you be happier if every one were nake (nake being the present tense of naked)?

I bet I'm not the only person who wouldn't feel safe at all.

I am sure there are other mental defectives in the general public who are afraid of their shadow also.


In fact, i'd probably leave.

We should be so phoquing lucky

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:35:29 AM   
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People wearing large overcoats and a scarf generally don't belong to violent, homophobic death cults. People wearing a burqa definitely do.


Cite please

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:49:23 AM   
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You're a fucking idiot.

That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion...worth less than the price of used shit paper.

Nobody's been able to shut those freaks at the Church of Scientology up PRECISELY because of the first amendment - and scientology is an amoral fucking con.

Actually quite a few countries have shut that scam down. Russia, china, mexico,finland,norway,greece and quite a few others.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country

Your mom will be home tomorrow...she came by last night with half a bottle of mogan david...you know how she gets when she is hammered. She asked me to tell you to clean that shit pit you call a bedroom or she was going to give all of your video games to the goodwill.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 5:52:48 AM   
thompsonx


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I think God wants me to be nude and not ashamed of myself... maybe i should go nude grocery shopping tomorrow and see what happens.

Please don't the aqmd will fine you for contributing to eye polution. No one wants to see that shit.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 7:58:24 AM   
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I think a lot of this has to do with perception.
Perception of what we see and what our mind instantly links with reality, what we personally experience, or what we've heard reported from mainstream media.

Let's take the simple hoodie.
A simple jacket with a hood. Nothing nefarious about the garment itself.
But it would appear that those involved in drugs, petty theft, personal assaults, and general anti-social behaviour, have 'adopted' the garment for concealment from identification and almost a uniform.
But it's not just that, it is also how it is worn.
Hood down showing the wearers face - no problem. Everyone, including CCTV and police body cams can see who they are instantly and can almost judge by facial expression what mood they are in and if they appear 'shifty'.
Same person, hood up, dark glasses, looking down, hands in pockets, people immediately think they are up to no good.
Add a couple of identically dressed friends and they become a gang looking for trouble - even if they aren't.
Now put that same group huddled in an alley or on a street corner, and the image is 'drug dealing'.
So for someone wanting to wear a hoodie, there is nothing wrong with having the hood up and wearing dark glasses - it is their right to wear what they want, how they want and it's not illegal.
However, don't expect others to perceive you in any other light than 'trouble looking for a place to go'.

As for cycle helmets; over here you must remove them in most financial places (banks etc) and supermarkets for identification purposes.

Now let's take Islamic dress.
Nothing wrong with it in principal and they are free to choose whether to wear it or not.
Now add the perception.... The western world sees extreme Islam and all its atrocities together with oppressing women and forcing them to cover up from head to toe.
And the main thing different from western stuff (outward appearance) is the forced covering of the head.
And yes, it is bad to tar the whole religion with the same brush - but you don't see others inside the good bits of Islam 'outing' the bad apples, and that (rightly or wrongly) is what sticks in peoples' minds.
Now add the problem that Islamic women have it drummed into them that it is 'disrespectful' not to wear it exacerbates the bad image.
If Islamic women wore everything but the headgear, they would still be instantly recognisable as Islamic.
Add the headgear and the bad image of the extremists and terrorism comes to the fore.
So it is the headgear that carries the bad connotations of extreme Islam.
It is very hard to change the perception of other people when it comes to ME/Islamic culture.

It is not a fair comparison to compare this with a nun's habit or other headgear - they do not carry the same fearful connotations as those of extreme Islam with their suicide bombers, beheadings and other atrocities.
The same for those overcoats - the rest of the garb doesn't seem to have those same fearful images as the Islamic dress with the full headgear even if they can equally carry a suicide vest or other bombs.
It all boils down to perception of what Islamic headgear represents.
So it's not 'just a scarf' any more than a crown is 'just a hat' - it is the image that it carries with it that people remember and associate.

And this is what Greta picked up on in her opening post.
Here we have an Islamic woman torn between her right to wear it as imposed by her religion and also her right not to wear it as allowed under US (and most western) societies.
She is arguing that she is being 'forced to conform' by society and yet in the same breath is saying she is compelled by her religion to wear it; that, in and of itself, is hypocrisy.
In a land of freedom, she should not be compelled by her religion - that is Greta's point, in a nutshell.
But to make a whole statement that effectively criticises the freedom she enjoys but doesn't comment on the ludicrous restrictions imposed on her fellow Islamic women all over the ME is definitely hypocrisy at its finest.
This is Greta's rant.

To make a statement like: I choose to wear a hijab as a symbolic expression of diversity in society. I exercise my freedom without fear or influence.
Many would argue that her 'choice' was severely steered by her religion and was not a 'free' choice as employed by a free society.
Other statements like: Keeping a hijab on may potentially cost me my safety and endanger my young daughters. I find myself worried about every trip I take outdoors with them. Thoughts of being attacked or putting my girls in harm's way fill my head.
This clearly shows that she does not appreciate true freedom from her religion and also has no clue as to what Islamic headgear represents in many western societies.
In essence, blinded by her religious indoctrination with little to no thought of the country she is living in and the freedom it affords her.

This, I believe, is the thrust of Greta's argument - the hypocrisy of this woman's piece.



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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 8:25:39 AM   
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if you claim can see the difference between a christian and the KKK, then you should be able to see the difference between ISIS and muslims.
If you cant, you are the problem.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 11/24/2016 8:29:01 AM   
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if you claim can see the difference between a christian and the KKK, then you should be able to see the difference between ISIS and muslims.
If you cant, you are the problem.

Where did I claim that??

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 12/1/2016 7:53:09 AM   
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Greta, I live in the United States of America. One of our tenets here is that all are free to practice their religion, as long as it does not interfere with others, or with the state.
If a woman wishes to wear a hijab, a man wear a yarmulke, or a Catholic put ashes on their forehead, these practices do not interfere. If a Muslim eats halal, a Jew eats kosher, a Seventh Day Adventist eats meat substitute, they do not interfere.
Each of those examples represent freedom of religion.
As America demonstrates tolerance, we hope to set an example to the world.


Dark Steven, that whole post seems to be an awfully soft ball for you. In the past I've enjoyed reading your reply against the best, or most interestingly nuanced version of someone's post.

Obviously there are some dark grey spots on the borders of what constitutes interference with others, or with the state. These conflicts of interests I think are particularly salient when it comes to weighing the merits of freedom of religion against the state's assumed responsibility to safeguard the welfare of children.

I think whether the indoctrination of children is an act of compulsion or not is on the same scale as whether an infant can consent to having their genitals cut, even if it's a touch more montessori than torture porn in terms of aesthetic.

Islam's relationship with the west, particularly inside the west is an almost perfect case study of the Tolerance Paradox.

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RE: American Muslim Woman Crying about her right to wea... - 12/1/2016 2:16:37 PM   
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Nobody's been able to shut those freaks at the Church of Scientology up PRECISELY because of the first amendment - and scientology is an amoral fucking con.

Actually quite a few countries have shut that scam down. Russia, china, mexico,finland,norway,greece and quite a few others.
Which of those countries has the First Amendment?

None of them. Because the First Amendment is an amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

This is an example of how depressingly stupid you are, and why I don't bother arguing with you. You're a moron who can't think clearly.

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