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tamaka -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 9:27:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

to be clear, I am not suggesting for a moment blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing them here. that sentiment is steeped in a same sort of logic as "reparations."

I am saying blacks should be grateful they are here as opposed to Africa, period.

thankfulness leads to taking advantages of the blessings afforded. the opposite leads to bitter discord.
Yes.

Slavery always was a great evil, however the descendants of those slaves enjoy citizenship and a high standard of living in a Republic whose founding principles include the protection of minorities. They are blessed to be living here instead of in the shithole that is Africa.

Not to mention that - human procreation being such a random affair - they simply wouldn't exist without the events of the past. Sure, other people would exist - but it wouldn't be them.

That's why the issue of reparations is complete bullshit. The people who could have been compensated are all dead and buried. Tossing money at their descendants doesn't do a goddamn thing. Their descendants EXIST because their ancestors were brought here. Compensating them for existing is stupid.


Maybe we should give them a 1 way ticket back to Africa if they want it.



Awareness -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 9:42:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

to be clear, I am not suggesting for a moment blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing them here. that sentiment is steeped in a same sort of logic as "reparations."

I am saying blacks should be grateful they are here as opposed to Africa, period.

thankfulness leads to taking advantages of the blessings afforded. the opposite leads to bitter discord.
Yes.

Slavery always was a great evil, however the descendants of those slaves enjoy citizenship and a high standard of living in a Republic whose founding principles include the protection of minorities. They are blessed to be living here instead of in the shithole that is Africa.

Not to mention that - human procreation being such a random affair - they simply wouldn't exist without the events of the past. Sure, other people would exist - but it wouldn't be them.

That's why the issue of reparations is complete bullshit. The people who could have been compensated are all dead and buried. Tossing money at their descendants doesn't do a goddamn thing. Their descendants EXIST because their ancestors were brought here. Compensating them for existing is stupid.


Maybe we should give them a 1 way ticket back to Africa if they want it.
The reality that African Americans are arguably better off here than in Africa does nothing to undermine our responsibility to ensure justice is not only done, but is seen to be done.

Bias is an implicit part of human psychology. It is impossible to eliminate it. However ensuring opportunity exists for all is only going to occur when people stop seeing each other as "The Other". That requires a prolonged period of societal blending, during which the concepts of what it means to be American shift to include Hispanics and African Americans.

The antics of the Left have retarded that process. By marking out African Americans, Hispanics, the LGBTQWXYZ crowd and women as being uniquely disadvantaged, they've created an "us vs them" process. Indeed, the notions pushed by feminists about "privilege" and how "white men are losing it" are responsible for the majority of the response which has occurred in political terms.

Power accretion is a reliable reality in human societies. It is accumulated by those who know how to do so and they enforce their will upon those who lack power.

As a society, it's more important for America to prosper against the more barbaric and uncivilised cultures such as those found in Chinese and Islamic societies. The exact distribution of power within that society is of a magnitude lesser importance than the need for America to prosper and compete successfully against the more ruthless cultures in the world.

Otherwise, we may find ourselves squabbling over the ashes of a once great civilisation.



vincentML -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 10:25:21 AM)

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The reality that African Americans are arguably better off here than in Africa does nothing to undermine our responsibility to ensure justice is not only done, but is seen to be done.

Bias is an implicit part of human psychology. It is impossible to eliminate it. However ensuring opportunity exists for all is only going to occur when people stop seeing each other as "The Other". That requires a prolonged period of societal blending, during which the concepts of what it means to be American shift to include Hispanics and African Americans.

Well chosen words, A. I could not agree more, except that we have been in a long period of blending and fierce resistance to blending. The Slaves were emancipated one hundred sixty years ago. And still the struggle continues.

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The antics of the Left have retarded that process. By marking out African Americans, Hispanics, the LGBTQWXYZ crowd and women as being uniquely disadvantaged, they've created an "us vs them" process.

This, however, is a terrible misrepresentation of history in America. Gays protested years of police harassment at the Stonewall Tavern in 1969. Blacks had to process a series of civil disobedience actions to gain an effective Civil Rights Act in 1965. Hispanics were terribly abused as migrant farmhands. And women have had a long history of trying to obtain a form of civil equality. The "antics of the Left" did not create the inequities for these groups.

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Power accretion is a reliable reality in human societies. It is accumulated by those who know how to do so and they enforce their will upon those who lack power.

You should not be surprised then when the powerless band together and pursue power.

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As a society, it's more important for America to prosper against the more barbaric and uncivilised cultures such as those found in Chinese and Islamic societies. The exact distribution of power within that society is of a magnitude lesser importance than the need for America to prosper and compete successfully against the more ruthless cultures in the world.

It seems to me there is always some external culprit to whom the Authorities point and instill fear in the common folk to keep them in their place. ML King was tolerated while his only concern was civil rights for blacks. When he protested against the war in Vietnam, however, he was harassed by the FBI and shot dead in Memphis. The political Authorities aim to keep us in constant fear. We are always at "war" with somebody or something. If not Russia its China, if not China its terrorists, if not terrorists its drugs. It is always something to distract the working class from the inequities placed upon them.



Wayward5oul -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 12:22:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

to be clear, I am not suggesting for a moment blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing them here. that sentiment is steeped in a same sort of logic as "reparations."

I am saying blacks should be grateful they are here as opposed to Africa, period.

thankfulness leads to taking advantages of the blessings afforded. the opposite leads to bitter discord.



Yeah, the whole "Black people should be happy that white people brought them here ..." actually borders on offensive to me.

That said; the part of your quote I highlighted actually bears some scientific evidence. There have been some studies that suggest that the greater the density of electricity, the more our brains (and certain "centers" of the brain) get stimulated (exercised) and that helps to develop our brains faster.

Obviously, I'm not a man of science, but the theory goes like this: In the "first world", man has developed more quickly since the 1890s than people in the "third world".

I don't know if it's true, but it certainly seems like it might be?



Michael

Neither of you are shy about sharing your opinions regardless of what others state. You have strong voices. So if you disagree with the idea that 'blacks should be grateful that whites brought them here', and you even find it offensive, why has that idea appeared on page after page on this thread, and has been repeated on other threads, without any response from you? Those of us who have responded to it have been simply dismissed as 'libtards' or 'leftists', and therefore no need to actually discuss their stance.

Maybe, if coming from someone whom they can't dodge debating by labeling them as a lefty, someone might give such statements more thought before tossing them about so carelessly.



Wayward5oul -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 12:31:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

to be clear, I am not suggesting for a moment blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing them here. that sentiment is steeped in a same sort of logic as "reparations."

I am saying blacks should be grateful they are here as opposed to Africa, period.

thankfulness leads to taking advantages of the blessings afforded. the opposite leads to bitter discord.


I agree with all that you say here. As a white person, I see conditions in other countries in the news, or witness them firsthand in my travels, and I thank God that I was born in the US. I have lived in some hard conditions at points in my life, but even at the roughest at times, it was better than what I have seen in some places. So I am blessed with that.

I think the idea of reparations is foolish and short-sighted.

And the idea that blacks should be grateful that they were brought here? Pure racism and arrogance. And one that I have seen repeated over and over the last few days.



vincentML -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 12:39:23 PM)

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Yeah, the whole "Black people should be happy that white people brought them here ..." actually borders on offensive to me.

Indeed . . .

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Obviously, I'm not a man of science, but the theory goes like this: In the "first world", man has developed more quickly since the 1890s than people in the "third world".

The "third world" was brutally colonized and its resources stolen by the "first world"

Let me also point out that the industrial revolution was driven initially by steam, not electricity, so I would look at that electricity theory with some considerable skepticism.



bounty44 -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 1:17:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
So if you disagree with the idea that 'blacks should be grateful that whites brought them here', and you even find it offensive, why has that idea appeared on page after page on this thread, and has been repeated on other threads, without any response from you? Those of us who have responded to it have been simply dismissed as 'libtards' or 'leftists', and therefore no need to actually discuss their stance.


there are many reasons why one person or another might not respond to something offensive, but specifically in this instance, you'd have to show me precisely, in quotes here, where that's occurred.



bounty44 -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 1:43:26 PM)

among other things, I read boxing history and ive got a number of Muhammad ali biographies and readers.

one of them has a reproduction of the second interview with him by playboy (probably mid 70s) where he said this:

ali: because black people in America will never be free so long as theyre on the white mans land...we cant be free until we get our own land and our own country in north America. when we separate from America and take maybe ten states, then we'll be free...and if not here in America, the honorable Elijah Muhammad said the white man should supply us with the means to let us go back somewhere in Africa and build up our own country. America, rich as it is, was made rich partly through the black man's labor. it can afford to supply us for 25 yrs with the means to make our own nation work, and we'll build it up too. we cant be free if we cant control our own land. I own this training camp, but it aint really my land, not when some white lady comes up and gives me a $4000 tax bill to pay if I want to stay here. if I thought the taxes I paid was really going to benefit my people, I wouldn't mind paying up. but that aint whats happening. black people need to have their own nation.

playboy: since its unlikely they'll get one carved out of---or paid for by--the US, are you pessimistic about America's future race relations?

ali: America don't have no future! America's going to be destroyed! Allah's going to divinely chastise America! violence, crimes, earthquakes---theres gonna be all kinds of trouble. America's going to pay for all its lynchings and killings of slaves and what its done to black people. Americas day is over---and if it doesn't do justice to the black man and separate, its gonna burn!...


while im here, concerning the three-troll comrades getting hyper bent out of shape over the quote attributed to him by d'souza, I did some quick perusing of his experiences in zaire, and to be fair to ali (not the trolls), in what I have in print, he praised the experience.

that said, what he says about women is pretty eye-opening too...but im sure the pro-islam liberals wont want to hear that.



mnottertail -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 1:46:17 PM)

To be fair to you, dogshit44, you always do the nutsucker slobberblog thing and always promulgate lies as discussion, no need to apologize extra for this particular toilet licking episode you have authored. We all know you felchgobble horseshit, no spoiler need be broadcast.



Wayward5oul -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 1:46:44 PM)

I did LL, hope you did as well! And the same to everyone else on here!



DaddySatyr -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 1:49:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

there are many reasons why one person or another might not respond to something offensive, but specifically in this instance, you'd have to show me precisely, in quotes here, where that's occurred.



Oooh! Ooooh! I've been here for over ten years and ANY mother fuckin' time I've commented on race, no matter what my opinion, along comes some piece of shit Pablum©-puker to call me ... racist.

So ... if you knew, every time you offered an opinion on make up, someone would call you a "useless cunt", How often would you engage in conversations?



Michael



Wayward5oul -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 1:56:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
So if you disagree with the idea that 'blacks should be grateful that whites brought them here', and you even find it offensive, why has that idea appeared on page after page on this thread, and has been repeated on other threads, without any response from you? Those of us who have responded to it have been simply dismissed as 'libtards' or 'leftists', and therefore no need to actually discuss their stance.


there are many reasons why one person or another might not respond to something offensive, but specifically in this instance, you'd have to show me precisely, in quotes here, where that's occurred.


Never mind, bounty. I went back and looked at the posts I was referring to. Some of them you did respond directly to, and while you neither encouraged nor discouraged the statement, you did continue the flow of conversation, so you were aware of the statement. But as you stated, there are many reasons why one person or another might not respond to something of that sort. Fair enough.



tamaka -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 2:05:18 PM)

The irony here is that those who want to encourage the blacks to resent the whites are somehow perceived as 'Good' and the ones who want the blacks to foster a feeling of acceptance and gratitude are somehow seen as 'Bad'. When deep down we all know (i hope) that as long as you resent someone you will always be their slave.



mnottertail -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 3:07:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

there are many reasons why one person or another might not respond to something offensive, but specifically in this instance, you'd have to show me precisely, in quotes here, where that's occurred.



Oooh! Ooooh! I've been here for over ten years and ANY mother fuckin' time I've commented on race, no matter what my opinion, along comes some piece of shit Pablum©-puker to call me ... racist.

So ... if you knew, every time you offered an opinion on make up, someone would call you a "useless cunt", How often would you engage in conversations?



Michael

Says the guy who cant quite keep the stolen valor death straight.



Wayward5oul -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 4:19:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

The irony here is that those who want to encourage the blacks to resent the whites are somehow perceived as 'Good'

I haven't suggested anything about anyone resenting anything.

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and the ones who want the blacks to foster a feeling of acceptance and gratitude are somehow seen as 'Bad'.

What have you done that 'the blacks' should feel gratitude towards you? Care to share?

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When deep down we all know (i hope) that as long as you resent someone you will always be their slave.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't black people feel, as bounty described, blessed to be born in this nation, without having to give credit to the white slaveholders and the institution of slavery for it? The same as you and I may feel blessed for being born as caucasian, rather than on an impoverished reservation where some of our ancestors surely were?



DaddySatyr -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 4:50:24 PM)

You are a drunken scumbag and if you and I ever meet, face-to-face, you will rue the day shit sucker.



vincentML -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 4:56:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

The irony here is that those who want to encourage the blacks to resent the whites are somehow perceived as 'Good' and the ones who want the blacks to foster a feeling of acceptance and gratitude are somehow seen as 'Bad'. When deep down we all know (i hope) that as long as you resent someone you will always be their slave.


No one needs to encourage blacks to resent whites. Even some affluent blacks will confirm that they fear a traffic stop by police. And, bye the bye, comparative economics might be a gnawing agitation on why blacks dislike whites. Twenty-four percent of black families live below the poverty line while only 9.7% of whites live in poverty, so not surprising that blacks may be a little fucking sick of hearing white folk whine that they should be grateful.



Greta75 -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 5:04:28 PM)

FR
Point of the matter is.
How did Black people become slaves in the first place? Who sold them out?
Their own people.

Personally, they need to realise that predicament started because their own people sold them out in the first place!

It's not like white people intentionally invaded Africa, and enslaved them and took them home.

They were bought from black traders. And at that point of time, the booming country was US, and they saw an opportunity for cheap labour.

You know, I am thinking about the "voluntary" slavery that is happening today, even in my country.

Basically, Bangladeshi workers voluntarily come to my country to work for peanuts as construction workers.

Their salary is so bad, it's like 200bux per month or something. Just as good as working for free, considering they probably toll 12 hours a day or something, 6 days a week. I *think* most of them at least have Sunday off. I *hope*.

Their accommodation is terrible and cramped up.

The conditions are horrible. They have strict curfews, regimental type of employment. To me, it's really like no freedom at all.

But they still chose to come here to work, scrape together money to pay agents to get them here to do this shitty job, despite giving them the worst possible conditions, just because they can't find jobs in their own country, and don't have the education to move up.

In a way, we are exploiting them for cheap labour because their government failed to take care of them properly and help them find decent jobs.

And worst of all, none of them could have any opportunity to permanently be based here or get permanent resident. At the mercies of their employers. If their work permit is cancelled, they need to go home.

But I just feel that the African Americans are blaming the wrong people for their slavery. Technically, their own people who kidnapped them and enslaved them. It was white men themselves that freed them eventually, even after purchasing them.

And in Africa today, the whole slavery thing has not ended. They are still doing it to their own people! They haven't evolved!




tamaka -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 5:12:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

The irony here is that those who want to encourage the blacks to resent the whites are somehow perceived as 'Good'

I haven't suggested anything about anyone resenting anything.

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and the ones who want the blacks to foster a feeling of acceptance and gratitude are somehow seen as 'Bad'.

What have you done that 'the blacks' should feel gratitude towards you? Care to share?

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When deep down we all know (i hope) that as long as you resent someone you will always be their slave.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't black people feel, as bounty described, blessed to be born in this nation, without having to give credit to the white slaveholders and the institution of slavery for it? The same as you and I may feel blessed for being born as caucasian, rather than on an impoverished reservation where some of our ancestors surely were?


If you haven't noticed, i tend to throw a fireball to an extreme place so people may not go as far there but they at least will move toward that direction.

Blacks need feel no gratitude toward me at all... i know probably 10- 15 that do because i hired and mentored them... pulled them out of unemployment when it was almost impossible to find a job, i over- rode the schedule for almost 2 years to give them 35- 40 hours per week instead of the 18- 22 they were supposed to get. A few of them stay in touch with me because we developed a nice friendship and some have moved on to get better jobs now. I like to think i made a difference in their life as i also feel gratitude for the blessing of knowing and working with them every day and value their ongoing communication and friendship. I actually 'got a reputation' so- to- speak for hiring so many blacks. Honestly i noticed their color, of course, but i hired them becausei could tell they would be great workers, personable, intelligent, able to handle stress, responsible
and dependable. And i was right on every one. I build great teams.
(Well i have many times in the past... lol).



Greta75 -> RE: Alt-Right? More like Alt-White. (11/25/2016 5:15:28 PM)

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Twenty-four percent of black families live below the poverty line while only 9.7% of whites live in poverty, so not surprising that blacks may be a little fucking sick of hearing white folk whine that they should be grateful.

Imagine if the minority race of my country, which is the indigenous people, are the highest percentage of the poor, blame us Chinese folks for their poverty. Despite them getting the most help than any other races. I believe it's the same situation with the blacks in the US. That they probably get more support and assistance than any other races.

Even in our country, as their roots would be Malaysia. And we think they should be grateful that the chinese took over Singapore and ran it so much fucking better than Malaysia is running their country.

And you never hear of Malays from Singapore migrating back to Malaysia ever, because they know where is the better place to be.

Which leads to the theory. We chinese believe, welfare, causes people to perpetuate poverty. Malaysia is proof to me. Malay has first rights, most benefits, the government practically give them the WORLD to be successful, yet, the ones living below poverty line are their majority race, the Malays. They got even free 100k start up government sponsored free money, for any Malays who wanna start their own business. This fund is RACE specific. Chinese or Indians could not get this fundas despite being minorities there, they are mostly already successful business owners. And are doing better than their majority race. The amount of support they have is incredible, yet they can't get out of poverty, despite having a fawning government who prioritize their rights first. The ones living still in super backwards what we call Kampong. Those makeshift houses, get free water and free electricity too! They got everything taken care of! They still can't get out of poverty!

So seriously..., people need to study these things, cause and effect. Indonesia is another example. Malays get first rights again. When the minority Chinese get richer, despite getting ZERO help from the government. They went on a genocidal mission to kill Chinese because they did everything to shut Chinese people down, but yet they still are able to find success. Reality is, all their welfare is killing their own people. It's crystal clear to us, but they don't see it.

So the poverty will continue in these countries until they start teaching their people to rely on themselves to make things happen and not the government.




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