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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 9:12:17 AM   
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They who must not be named.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089



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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 9:19:43 AM   
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They who must not be named.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089




The Rotheram cover up was discussed way back in 2014.
a `15 page thread in fact.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4725837/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 9:38:40 AM   
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If you were to meet a Muslim, get to know her well ... and begin to realise that she doesn't think of you as subhuman at all ... would you then think she's not a true or real Muslim?
Yeah, that wouldn't happen - because Muslim women can't cavort with strange men without being escorted by their male relatives.

If she did, she'd be called a whore and stoned... or perhaps murdered to retain her family's honor.

You were saying?


I was responding to tamaka, who I believe to be female, A.


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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 9:43:13 AM   
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You're wasting your breath. Unrepentant Leftists are so desperate for allies in their fight against white, heterosexual men that they'll conveniently ignore the homophobic, murderous implications of those allies.

Watch as Peon tries to tell you that your personal experience is trumped by his newsagent.


Ah, so you think my Muslim newsagent wants to murder me? I could ask him. I think I know what he's likely to say, though: 'This man you know on that Internet forum, is he a fruitcake?'


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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 9:59:57 AM   
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Hmmm.. so all those events in India and Pakistan where the perps got away with it didn't happen??


Hmmmm...so all those events in g.b. where the christian criminals got away did not happen???


How many rapes every day happen over there? Huh??
How many acid attacks against women happen over there??
It's still against the law in those countries but they are often not prosecuted.


Simple don't go where you do not feel safe. Why do you care about what happens there? Are you like the idiot from idaho and just need somehting to have up your ass to complain about?



That doesn't dismiss what is happening.
And how many are actually caught and incarcerated??
Very few is the answer.

That is true of all crime in all places. Why do you have this special hard on for muslims?

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 10:26:30 AM   
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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 11:20:52 AM   
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I really am sorry, loserplastic. I'll draft a formal apology while you're making me a sammich.

And fetch me a beer while you're at it, there's a good girl.



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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 11:44:54 AM   
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yeah, your delusions speak for themselves.

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 12:24:43 PM   
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You're wasting your breath. Unrepentant Leftists are so desperate for allies in their fight against white, heterosexual men that they'll conveniently ignore the homophobic, murderous implications of those allies.

Watch as Peon tries to tell you that your personal experience is trumped by his newsagent.


Ah, so you think my Muslim newsagent wants to murder me? I could ask him. I think I know what he's likely to say, though: 'This man you know on that Internet forum, is he a fruitcake?'

Why don't you ask him some relevant questions?

Like "Should homosexuality be illegal and what should the punishment be?"

Or "What should the penalty for leaving the Islamic faith be?"

Even better, why don't you just call his esteemed prophet a cunt and see what happens. Be warned though: Your faith in your ability to read his mind might just take a hit.

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 1:18:37 PM   
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the Awareness apparently got out of the wrong side of the swamp today


So it would seem. :)

That's not a nice thing to say about Kaliko.

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 1:46:41 PM   
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quote:

You're wasting your breath. Unrepentant Leftists are so desperate for allies in their fight against white, heterosexual men that they'll conveniently ignore the homophobic, murderous implications of those allies.

Watch as Peon tries to tell you that your personal experience is trumped by his newsagent.


Ah, so you think my Muslim newsagent wants to murder me? I could ask him. I think I know what he's likely to say, though: 'This man you know on that Internet forum, is he a fruitcake?'

Why don't you ask him some relevant questions?

Like "Should homosexuality be illegal and what should the punishment be?"

Or "What should the penalty for leaving the Islamic faith be?"

Even better, why don't you just call his esteemed prophet a cunt and see what happens. Be warned though: Your faith in your ability to read his mind might just take a hit.


Yeah, well, my mind-reading abilities could never match your own superhuman powers to read the minds of the entire Muslim world, A.


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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 2:07:08 PM   
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I just found this and it seems to illustrate that Muslims may be more moderate than i thought they were.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 2:18:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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You're wasting your breath. Unrepentant Leftists are so desperate for allies in their fight against white, heterosexual men that they'll conveniently ignore the homophobic, murderous implications of those allies.

Watch as Peon tries to tell you that your personal experience is trumped by his newsagent.


Ah, so you think my Muslim newsagent wants to murder me? I could ask him. I think I know what he's likely to say, though: 'This man you know on that Internet forum, is he a fruitcake?'

Why don't you ask him some relevant questions?

Like "Should homosexuality be illegal and what should the punishment be?"

Or "What should the penalty for leaving the Islamic faith be?"

Even better, why don't you just call his esteemed prophet a cunt and see what happens. Be warned though: Your faith in your ability to read his mind might just take a hit.


Yeah, well, my mind-reading abilities could never match your own superhuman powers to read the minds of the entire Muslim world, A.

I don't have to read their minds Peon, they advertise their beliefs on a regular basis. They have a set of books where they're written down and all. And they demonstrate their commitment by being the number one source of terrorism in the entire world.


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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 2:23:16 PM   
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I just found this and it seems to illustrate that Muslims may be more moderate than i thought they were.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
I've seen that particular piece before. The variation is quite significant, but I attribute it to social inhibition more than actual genuine difference in beliefs.


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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 2:36:41 PM   
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most things can be attributed to social inhibitions, that is not a 'thang', at all.

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 2:41:36 PM   
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most things can be attributed to social inhibitions, that is not a 'thang', at all.
It's like Peon's incredulity at the thought that his newsagent may not be the friendly Islamic face he think he is.

How many of you would go live in an Islamic country and then talk smack about Mohammed? No takers? Why is that?

Because A) Islam is a violent-as-fuck culture and
B) Because you'd piss off the very people you interact with every day.

So the idea that "American Muslims" are somehow more enlightened instead of simply more guarded about their real opinions is an example of the bigotry of low expectations.

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 2:46:04 PM   
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number one source of terrorism in the entire world.


I believe the average follower is not a terrorist but you would have to be blind to reality not to recognize the truth in the statement above. We can defend individuals of the Muslim faith we know and we should. But... just because they are peaceful and tolerant of other faiths does not mean their religion is not fostering intolerant terrorism on a scale that is affecting the stability of our civilization.

Until the whole of Islam itself acknowledges the fact that a significant portion of their followers are violently warping the teaching of their religion and directly addressing the issues there will be no peace. They have to stop setting back and having others sacrifice their children to solve their problems...They must rise up against this sickness in their religion and stamp it out. Non-Muslims cannot and should not be doing it for them.

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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 3:01:59 PM   
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most things can be attributed to social inhibitions, that is not a 'thang', at all.
It's like Peon's incredulity at the thought that his newsagent may not be the friendly Islamic face he think he is.

How many of you would go live in an Islamic country and then talk smack about Mohammed? No takers? Why is that?

Because A) Islam is a violent-as-fuck culture and
B) Because you'd piss off the very people you interact with every day.

So the idea that "American Muslims" are somehow more enlightened instead of simply more guarded about their real opinions is an example of the bigotry of low expectations.


Well, all well and fine, but there are many countries that have such prohibitions, most of the middle east is religious states. When I was in the service in Germany in the 1970s by god you didnt stand on a streetcorner and call Helmut Kohl a cocksucker either, that would bring Kripo around to torque your ass up, Kripo incidentally; didn't appear to have any culture of you dont cosh the people you stop before saying hello or determining what exactly the situation is.

And the first time I hears someone call 'time' and ring the bell at 10fuckingp and said you are full of shit give me a beer, and I heard, "But the guvner will lose his licence'......I thought, what fresh fuckin hell is this, fuckin poofters the lot of them. Different countries, different customs, Peachy, we musn't be prejudiced.



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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 3:16:37 PM   
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number one source of terrorism in the entire world.


I believe the average follower is not a terrorist but you would have to be blind to reality not to recognize the truth in the statement above. We can defend individuals of the Muslim faith we know and we should. But... just because they are peaceful and tolerant of other faiths does not mean their religion is not fostering intolerant terrorism on a scale that is affecting the stability of our civilization.

Until the whole of Islam itself acknowledges the fact that a significant portion of their followers are violently warping the teaching of their religion and directly addressing the issues there will be no peace. They have to stop setting back and having others sacrifice their children to solve their problems...They must rise up against this sickness in their religion and stamp it out. Non-Muslims cannot and should not be doing it for them.

Butch


What I don't get is the 'religious determinism' of that sort of view, Butch. This view has it that you read the Koran, you know what a Muslim is. Nothing else is required. No knowledge of the given Muslim's political, social, economic or cultural background; his psychological make up, what experiences he's had (does living in a war zone in Syria versus living in a cold, grotty but peaceful town in England make a difference? I'd guess so!) ... none of that matters. He's Muslim, it describes everything he feels and what he wants to do in the Koran, and that's that. Ali who grew up in Wolverhampton in England, eating bad food, watching EastEnders, playing football and listening to shitty British pop music, is going to be the same as Ali in Saudi Arabia .... It's nonsense, isn't it?

None of us here would ever do that with a Christian - would we? I mean, I was brought up in the same religion as members of the extreme religious Right in the USA ... but I'm not like them. I don't think I could spend two minutes in the company of the average KKK member. I'm not even like the more moderate US sorts who are against abortion but in favour of capital punishment, and take a dim view of Darwin. At the same time, at the 'other end', I'm not a Quaker and not a pacifist. I don't know such people, don't relate to them and don't feel any responsibility for what they believe in, and do, other than that which I'd feel just by virtue of their being humans just as I'm a human myself.

I like to take a military analogy (ironic, I know) - that of 'surgical bombing'. You work out precisely what your enemy is, target that - and *only* that. Anything else isn't just immoral, it's counter to self-interest because it runs the risk of creating yet more enemies. It also throws out the most tried-and-tested strategy against a social enemy ever created: that of 'divide and rule' - which always works by showing that you can discriminate between the good guys and the bad guys and are prepared to bestow your rewards and punishments accordingly.



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RE: Islam - 12/1/2016 3:22:27 PM   
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the Awareness apparently got out of the wrong side of the swamp today


So it would seem. :)

That's not a nice thing to say about Kaliko.

Unlike awareness does freely , for me....a spouse, is out of bounds when making an post against a point of view..

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