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Hillwilliam -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 1:14:29 PM)

FR to the OP.
Maybe it was that the only major newspaper to endorse Trump was Pravda. [8D]




SecondBestBoy -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 1:16:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Why....why Lucy would the election of Trump be an advantage to Russia?

Butch


There are many reasons Russia wants a stooge in the White House. Here's just one of them. Ever since Russia invaded the Uktraine, there have been western sanctions against the aggressive dictator. One of them is keeping the Russian national oil company, in partnership with Exxon, from drilling in the Arctic. Now that Putin has his boy installed here in the States, he expects to get those sanctions lifted. Putin and Trump are counting on the Trump voters being too ill informed (which has been a good bet to date) to realize that it's happening.

Also from the guy who was going to "drain the swamp": CEO of Exxon is on the short list for... Secretary of State, of all things. Yes, like oil men have lots of experience in diplomacy.

This stinks to high heaven of course, but there was little excuse for not realizing what a corrupt guy Trump was before the election. There is even less now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/business/dealbook/russia-oil-rosneft-glencore-qatar.html?_r=0





SecondBestBoy -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 1:18:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

FR to the OP.
Maybe it was that the only major newspaper to endorse Trump was Pravda. [8D]


What, you're not counting the Klan's flagship paper? They're huge to his base. (Not so much to decent people.)

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/11/01/24663935/donald-trump-gets-coveted-ku-klux-klan-endorsement




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 1:59:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
There is nothing to debate. But it would be nice to see you put that great brain of yours to some useful purpose. Try doing a little research beyond the evening news.


Russia wants Trump to be elected because he doesn't care about Crimea and has business interests he wants to protect in Russia. Russia wants the 'sanctioning and isolation of Russia' to end, and this is not just that but also a promise of a much closer relationship for absolutely no reason other than Trump thinks they're 'good people'.

Despite the absurdity of a man making international political moves based on his own intuition, ending the sanctions is more than enough incentive for them to fix the election.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-donald-trump-presidency-would-be-good-russia/ri8642

It's interesting to note that in this same interview, Trump also states he plans to drive a wedge between China and Russia-- which I guess he plans to do by being nice to Putin and being mean to China. It's like something a fucking high school mean girl would write about in her journal-- and it's classic Trump. He's too stupid to even realize that the people around him aren't as stupid as he is.

All he is going to do is drive a wedge between China and the USA and this will help Russia come out on top. Putin will play Trump by patting him on the head and saying 'good boy', Trump will smile and wag his tail, China will shake their heads in disbelief, Putin will stay out of the conflict and profit. The end of the TPP will probably mean China can also grab onto the Asian nations that the US is about to turn their backs on in favor of economic self-destruction.

China and Russia are in no danger of becoming enemies any time soon, especially if Trump continues to escalate things.




Termyn8or -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 2:02:11 PM)

Another liberal clairvoyant I see.

T^T




tamaka -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 3:41:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
There is nothing to debate. But it would be nice to see you put that great brain of yours to some useful purpose. Try doing a little research beyond the evening news.


Russia wants Trump to be elected because he doesn't care about Crimea and has business interests he wants to protect in Russia. Russia wants the 'sanctioning and isolation of Russia' to end, and this is not just that but also a promise of a much closer relationship for absolutely no reason other than Trump thinks they're 'good people'.

Despite the absurdity of a man making international political moves based on his own intuition, ending the sanctions is more than enough incentive for them to fix the election.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-donald-trump-presidency-would-be-good-russia/ri8642

It's interesting to note that in this same interview, Trump also states he plans to drive a wedge between China and Russia-- which I guess he plans to do by being nice to Putin and being mean to China. It's like something a fucking high school mean girl would write about in her journal-- and it's classic Trump. He's too stupid to even realize that the people around him aren't as stupid as he is.

All he is going to do is drive a wedge between China and the USA and this will help Russia come out on top. Putin will play Trump by patting him on the head and saying 'good boy', Trump will smile and wag his tail, China will shake their heads in disbelief, Putin will stay out of the conflict and profit. The end of the TPP will probably mean China can also grab onto the Asian nations that the US is about to turn their backs on in favor of economic self-destruction.

China and Russia are in no danger of becoming enemies any time soon, especially if Trump continues to escalate things.


If you look at their population, their economy and their geography, there is no way for Russia to come out on top. The best they can do is come out in second place, and considering the possibilities (Siberia looks like a nice place)... they are smart to want the US as an ally.




BamaD -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 4:28:40 PM)

FR

I haven't bothered with most of this thread but has anyone pointed out that if the Russians truly did hack Hillary and expose it to help Trump this means that all of the claims that Hillary was careless with her email security were right?




Real0ne -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 4:59:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I have to say, I really wish this thread hadn't been derailed at the outset, and I'm frankly shocked that people would rather argue about Putin or talk about Hillary (who doesn't matter) than express dismay at the fact that no less than the CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the election.

Not only has this actually occurred, but Trump is currently accusing the CIA of plotting against him!!!

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/10/politics/donald-trump-response-russian-hacking/index.html

SERIOUSLY?? He's MOCKING the CIA like he's in a fucking Internet flamewar? I cannot recall the last time I have read the news and literally been unable to believe that such a ridiculous, terrifyingly stupid person could become so powerful. It makes me sick to my stomach.

AND LOOK AT THIS:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/09/china-flies-nuclear-capable-bomber-in-south-china-sea-after-trump-taiwan-call-us-officials-say.html

Now China is pushing back.

And it's all because this FUCKING IDIOT allowed himself to be manipulated by lobbyists for Taiwan!!! Bob Dole was paid $200,000 by the unofficial Taiwanese embassy to get this pathetic excuse for a human being to slap China in the face and he was too stupid to know what he was doing or what the consequences would be, and now this shit could escalate. OVER WHAT??? ONE MAN'S INCOMPETENCE.

I don't know how anyone can seriously look at Trump and see anything but madness.


I think you should be more focused on how willingly and easily China is flaunting military threatening actions over a phone call. China is the biggest threat in this world today. I can't believe how many people miss this.


second only to the US




Real0ne -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 5:01:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

I haven't bothered with most of this thread but has anyone pointed out that if the Russians truly did hack Hillary and expose it to help Trump this means that all of the claims that Hillary was careless with her email security were right?



we need russia as our 4th branch of gubmint since the other 3 arent doing a very good job keeping themselves in check, what a load the american people bought on the incheck crap.




Real0ne -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 5:02:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

FR to the OP.
Maybe it was that the only major newspaper to endorse Trump was Pravda. [8D]

well they work for the insiders why should they endorse a german outsider?




mnottertail -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 5:08:20 PM)

to confuse the retards> worked for you. long time ago




mnottertail -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 5:19:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

I haven't bothered with most of this thread but has anyone pointed out that if the Russians truly did hack Hillary and expose it to help Trump this means that all of the claims that Hillary was careless with her email security were right?

Yeah, ok tovarish, lay out how that works, then between your matinee peener showings on Die verschwundene Miniatur to the pizza boy.tell us why we should care about what your dumb welfare ass says.




Lucylastic -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 7:47:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

I haven't bothered with most of this thread but has anyone pointed out that if the Russians truly did hack Hillary and expose it to help Trump this means that all of the claims that Hillary was careless with her email security were right?


For gawd sake, someone please tell him it means yes, the cia and the FBi have found the link and she is being investigated again, or charged this time.....
evidence....incontrovertible....





Termyn8or -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 10:00:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

I haven't bothered with most of this thread but has anyone pointed out that if the Russians truly did hack Hillary and expose it to help Trump this means that all of the claims that Hillary was careless with her email security were right?


Don't confuse them with things like that, you know they cannot answer.

All they can do is take more meds, or koolaid and get even stupider.

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/10/2016 10:19:20 PM)

And being secret everyone knows about it.

You think maybe THAT is the reason she is not calling for a recall ?

But if the assertion is true, what poetic justice. I heard she damnear had a nervous breakdown over the loss. Perhaps because she knows she better not open that can of worms ?

Why else did she not go for a recount ? Stein did but it was thrown out because she was not the injured (supposedly) party. Well Clinton is, allegedly the injured party. Why hasn't she filed ? She should know enough law so that even if she can't find a lawyer she could do it herself, so why all the sudden we got silence.

Things get more and more suspicious every day.

And I still want to know how Russians can get into these computers. you know, it wasn't just Clinton's emails. That server was trashed well before the election. She didn't have it anymore. With all the billions we give them (at the point of a gun) ll they can afford is 486s running Windows 95 ? Well it would have to be OSR2 I think otherwise they would have to upgrade to get online at all, IIRC.

Let them keep it up until someone answers the real questions. If the Russians got into those computers, HOW THE FUCK DID THEY DO IT ? Got any idea what this government spends on cybersecurity ? More than I do and they don't have my emails. Maybe the NSA does but they won't release them, they are only to be used to put someone on a no-fly list or throw them in Gitmo. They got no reason to do that right now.

Not to mention that the US hacked into some foreign ambassabor's emails and come out with it publicly to condemn him and ruin his career. actually now that I think of it that was a phone call. I can't find it because I don't remember the names, but how the fuck does the US get to tap phones ten thousand miles away ?

There is something wrong with this whole system.

Verint, Narus, ever hear of those company names ? Run by people who would sell you for a fucking bagel.

T^T




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/11/2016 12:16:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

I haven't bothered with most of this thread but has anyone pointed out that if the Russians truly did hack Hillary and expose it to help Trump this means that all of the claims that Hillary was careless with her email security were right?


There is evidence they also hacked the RNC and chose not to release the info.
Of course the natural conclusion here is that they used and are continuing to use that info as leverage.

On top of this, it seems like the GOP knew about it and even accidentally spilled the beans before backtracking:

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/09/14/russians-have-hacked-rnc-too-texas-congressman-says/90380324/




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/11/2016 12:22:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
If you look at their population, their economy and their geography, there is no way for Russia to come out on top. The best they can do is come out in second place, and considering the possibilities (Siberia looks like a nice place)... they are smart to want the US as an ally.


I don't mean on top in the world, I mean on top of the weird little game being set up.

It's really interesting to me that Russian news sources were using the same language Trump used in terms of 'driving Russia and China together', as if there were some sort of new cold war brewing because of the sanctions and it was all Obama's fault.




heavyblinker -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/11/2016 12:37:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
we need russia as our 4th branch of gubmint since the other 3 arent doing a very good job keeping themselves in check, what a load the american people bought on the incheck crap.


You're going to defend Russia over your own country??
What the fuck is the matter with you??




Lordandmaster -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/11/2016 12:47:27 AM)

In pages and pages of posts in this thread, this is one of the few that actually make sense. It should be obvious why the Russian government preferred Trump over Clinton: Trump was broadly signaling that he wouldn't have much will to defend some European morsels that Putin clearly covets (and considers part of the Russian Empire), including Ukraine and the Baltic states. He's also going to be much more open to ending the current sanctions than Clinton would have been. Gird your loins for more Russian meddling in Ukraine in 2017. It's going to happen, and if our response is basically "Fuck it," the Baltic states are next.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

Precisely: Putin's approach to foreign policy is that any leader of a non-Russian state is either his bitch or his enemy.
The circus peanut was obviously his bitch long before he even started campaigning for the Presidency. Clinton would have been an enemy. Why would the freeloading shortarse not support the tiny handed shitweasel?





Lordandmaster -> RE: Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (12/11/2016 12:53:52 AM)

From this interesting article (https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/12/22/russia-nato-trump-the-shadow-world/):

"NATO and Russia are close to war, according to General Sir Richard Shirreff, recently NATO’s second-in-command. In 2017: War with Russia, he writes that Russia could invade the Baltic states, which are NATO members, while NATO does nothing. When crisis strikes, the British prime minister is at the pub, the Germans are paralyzed by anxiety, and the Greeks and Hungarians are in Russia’s pocket. The Americans are raring to go, but three countries have to fall before they can persuade their European partners to share their sense of urgency.

"And one could almost now say that Shirreff’s alarmism has been overtaken by events, which are conspiring to demolish even the outward show of solidarity on which NATO relies for its deterrence. Britain’s vote to leave the European Union and Turkey’s post-coup crackdown call into question the strategic direction of two of NATO’s major military powers. As for Donald Trump’s argument during the presidential campaign that America’s richer allies should pay adequately for their protection, it was a fair point in principle, but a fatal thing to say in public. It made clear that America’s commitment to NATO would not be unconditional under President Trump; and if America’s commitment is not unconditional, then fairly obviously it will not extend to nuclear war. The cat is out of the bag. Seen from Moscow, the West has not been in such inviting disarray since the Suez crisis of 1956. Whatever constraints Putin may now feel upon his land-grabbing instincts, they must be entirely domestic in nature. NATO is no longer one of them.

"Shirreff was Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe, NATO’s second-ranking military officer, from 2011 to 2014. Before that he was commander of NATO’s Allied Rapid Reaction Corps. He should know of what he speaks. He writes his book in the manner of a popular thriller, full of stock characters and military jargon. But he insists upon its truth to life. He says in his preface: “This is not fiction as such. This is fact-based prediction, very closely modelled on what I know, based on my position as a very senior military insider at the highest and best-informed level.”

"2017 begins with a new Russian invasion of Ukraine. The Russian army sweeps westward from the pro-Russian provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk in the east of Ukraine to the Crimean peninsula on the Black Sea coast, already annexed by Russia in 2014. This easy conquest is three days’ work for Russia, brings it half of Ukraine, and, since Ukraine is not a member of NATO, sets off no NATO response.

"Hours later, while NATO is still arguing about who lost Ukraine, Russia is moving against the Baltics. A demonstration by Latvia’s Russian-speaking minority in the capital, Riga, is infiltrated by Russian special forces who engineer chaos. Concealed Russian snipers shoot dead three protesters, creating the pretext for a Russian invasion that is over almost as soon as it has begun. Russian airborne troops arrive from Pskov, less than an hour’s flying time away, to seize Riga. A tank army follows four hours later. Similar events are underway in Latvia’s Baltic neighbors, Estonia and Lithuania.

"As all this happens overnight, NATO ambassadors meeting in Belgium are unable to agree on any action save to order two minesweepers exercising in the Baltics to anchor in Riga as a show of support. One is German; the other is British. Both are sunk by Russian planes hunting for Latvian ships. This attack finally compels a reluctant Germany to accept that Russia and NATO are at war, clearing the way for NATO to fight. But by this time the Baltics have been lost, and Russia is making clear that any attempt to win them back will be met with nuclear weapons."




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