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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

At this point, what difference does it make?

Really? A crime was committed, the proceeds of that crime were used to commit a bigger crime, and it may have been an unfriendly foreign country behind it. and you figure that doesn't matter.

I am going to guess you won't be taking that attitude the next time some fucked up crazy opens fire in a school, I mean after all once the guy has already killed the kids, at that point what difference does it make? The kids are still gonna be dead so may as well just ignore it and move on. Right?

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

At this point, what difference does it make?

Really? A crime was committed, the proceeds of that crime were used to commit a bigger crime, and it may have been an unfriendly foreign country behind it. and you figure that doesn't matter.

I am going to guess you won't be taking that attitude the next time some fucked up crazy opens fire in a school, I mean after all once the guy has already killed the kids, at that point what difference does it make? The kids are still gonna be dead so may as well just ignore it and move on. Right?

He forgot to use the sarcasm font, but that is what it was.

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Maddeningly, we have to speculate about Trump being seriously in debt to the Russians -- b/c he won't come clean about his taxes and business interests.

Under oath, he should be asked about this -- so that an impeachment could follow if he lies about it.

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Allow? So who do you think allowed it? Perhaps transparency must be part of the new world we live in. Technology might force it upon us. Maybe in the long run it will be a good thing for everyone... but right now we experience the growing pains. Who knows? If a positive relationship between Russia and the USA helps stabilize the world, maybe the ends will justify the means. Right now everything is speculation anyways.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Allow? So who do you think allowed it? Perhaps transparency must be part of the new world we live in. Technology might force it upon us. Maybe in the long run it will be a good thing for everyone... but right now we experience the growing pains. Who knows? If a positive relationship between Russia and the USA helps stabilize the world, maybe the ends will justify the means. Right now everything is speculation anyways.

It's not really transparency if only one side is transparent. Russia wasn't trying to give people an honest portrait of their candidates-- otherwise Trump and the RNC would have also been exposed.

It's not really speculation-- the sophistication of the attack points to a foreign government and Russia has a history of hacking elections.

The only real question here is how much involvement the Trump campaign had, and judging by Trump's behavior regarding Russia throughout his campaign, I'd be willing to bet it's a lot.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Allow? So who do you think allowed it? Perhaps transparency must be part of the new world we live in. Technology might force it upon us. Maybe in the long run it will be a good thing for everyone... but right now we experience the growing pains. Who knows? If a positive relationship between Russia and the USA helps stabilize the world, maybe the ends will justify the means. Right now everything is speculation anyways.

It's not really transparency if only one side is transparent. Russia wasn't trying to give people an honest portrait of their candidates-- otherwise Trump and the RNC would have also been exposed.

It's not really speculation-- the sophistication of the attack points to a foreign government and Russia has a history of hacking elections.

The only real question here is how much involvement the Trump campaign had, and judging by Trump's behavior regarding Russia throughout his campaign, I'd be willing to bet it's a lot.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Allow? So who do you think allowed it? Perhaps transparency must be part of the new world we live in. Technology might force it upon us. Maybe in the long run it will be a good thing for everyone... but right now we experience the growing pains. Who knows? If a positive relationship between Russia and the USA helps stabilize the world, maybe the ends will justify the means. Right now everything is speculation anyways.

It's not really transparency if only one side is transparent. Russia wasn't trying to give people an honest portrait of their candidates-- otherwise Trump and the RNC would have also been exposed.

It's not really speculation-- the sophistication of the attack points to a foreign government and Russia has a history of hacking elections.

The only real question here is how much involvement the Trump campaign had, and judging by Trump's behavior regarding Russia throughout his campaign, I'd be willing to bet it's a lot.

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Well Trump publicly invited them to do it. I don't know what more you could expect than that.

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Well Trump publicly invited them to do it. I don't know what more you could expect than that.

He did, but that doesn't necessarily scrape the bottom of this particular barrel. I honestly think that promises were made, deals were brokered and leverage was acquired.

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Have you considered that the Reps had better security on their computers.

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I really don't think that any of those things would be necessary. Putin had nothing to lose.

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I really don't think that any of those things would be necessary. Putin had nothing to lose.

I mean I think the Russians will be having a direct influence on policy throughout Trump's administration.

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Because you need for it to be.

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Senate and House Leaders Call for Inquiry of Russian Hacking in Election

WASHINGTON — Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, said on Monday that he supported congressional investigations of possible Russian cyberattacks to influence the American election, setting up a potential conflict with President-elect Donald J. Trump in the early days of his administration.

Mr. McConnell’s support for investigations is a major moment for the Republican-controlled Congress given that Mr. Trump has ridiculed and dismissed the findings of the American intelligence community that the Russians hacked the election.

The investigation, which will be driven by Senator Richard M. Burr, of North Carolina, the chairman of the intelligence committee, and by Senator John McCain, of Arizona, the chairman of the armed services committee, could last for months or more at the start of the new Trump administration. Many of the intelligence committee hearings will most likely be behind closed doors, but they will still generate wide interest.

Mr. McConnell stopped short of calling for a special select committee to investigate the claims of Russian hacking, saying that the inquiries could be conducted through normal committee channels. He also stopped short of saying whether he agreed that Russia interfered in the election in support of Donald J. Trump. He repeatedly declined to address the president-elect’s attack on the Central Intelligence Agency.

Noting that “the Russians are not our friends,” Mr. McConnell said that he “strongly condemns” foreign hacking and that the Senate intelligence committee was “more than capable of conducting a complete review” of the matter. “We need to approach all these on the assumption the Russians do not wish us well,” he said.

Speaker Paul D. Ryan, in a statement, was even more forceful and said he supported an investigation in the House as well. “As I’ve said before, any foreign intervention in our elections is entirely unacceptable. And any intervention by Russia is especially problematic because, under President Putin, Russia has been an aggressor that consistently undermines American interests,” the statement said.

Mr. McCain said on Monday that there was “no doubt about the hacking” by Russian intelligence services and called for a wide-ranging investigation by congressional committees into Russian meddling.

Mr. McCain called hacking of the Democratic National Committee and related accounts “another form of warfare” in an appearance on Monday on “CBS This Morning” with Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the incoming Democratic leader.

Mr. McConnell, resolute in his silence on Mr. Trump for most of the campaign, now faces bipartisan pressure to take a stand on Russia’s interference in the American election.

Republican Senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Marco Rubio of Florida have both expressed concern about the reports of cyberattacks, as have numerous Democrats.

“Being a ‘friend of Vladimir’ is not an attribute I am hoping for from a #SecretaryOfState” Mr. Rubio wrote in a post on Twitter, an apparent reference to Rex W. Tillerson, the chief executive of Exxon Mobil, who is considered the front-runner to be Mr. Trump’s nominee for secretary of state.


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I think that the new policy will be to find ways for Russia to benefit from the US

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and the US to benefit from Russia.

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I think that could be a very positive thing for both countries. Unless you want China to rule the world.

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I think that the new policy will be to find ways for Russia to benefit from the US

Yes.

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and the US to benefit from Russia.

I think it will be more about Trump personally benefiting, and possibly also big oil.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I think that could be a very positive thing for both countries. Unless you want China to rule the world.

Where did you get this weird idea that China is a threat but Russia is not?

The US is imperialistic sure, but at least it's imperialistic in the interests of western liberal democracy. Putin is a tyrant with a horrible human rights record, backwards view on civil liberties, censorship/murdering journalists, supporting and probably contributing to violations of the chemical weapons ban, and oh yeah, invading Crimea simply because he wanted more land.

China and Russia have far more in common than China/US or Russia/US, and the only way the US is going to have a close relationship is if Trump manages to completely undermine American values, which won't happen because the other politicians still at least have some awareness of what they are and why they're important.

America's natural allies are countries whose values are similar or better-- and by better I mean social democracies or proto-social democracies like Canada. America would do better to follow the lead of those countries instead of pretending that Putin is some sort of visionary who deserves respect... he's a fucking post-Stalin personality cult gangster, not someone who wants to build a better society.

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Well now we need proof of this and that now when of course, when we need no such 'proof' for 40-50 years of clandestine bullshit by the same institutionalized surveillance govt.

Isn't the point of an investigation to find out?

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Well now we need proof of this and that now when of course, when we need no such 'proof' for 40-50 years of clandestine bullshit by the same institutionalized surveillance govt.

Are you suggesting the US government should not have spy agencies?