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subrob1967 -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 6:47:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail since there was no email gate thats why it was a non story. A waste of taxpayer dollars because after 11 or more investigations there was no evidence of crime or hacking. RNC has not proved that it has better cyber security. Her server was secured enough that it took the FBI months to break it. You are spewing gobs of factless felch with no proof whatsoever. You are one sad, pathetic but funny fool. You amuse me.

WickedsDesire -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 7:14:48 AM)
Is completely with mnottertail ive talked about this too often over many threads on here. Only a fuking idiot would say Putin did not win the election for comrade Trump - a man who himself burnt all his emails, paper trails at times of audit investigation (allegedly - oh wait thats not alleged) Hilary trounced comrade trump with the popular vote - why do they call it the popular vote - surely it should be the democratic vote, will of the people, and all that. Personally I am still waiting for something of Scandal from Bitch with Binton's Email servers - complete non story. And yet comrade monstrous trump was like Teflon, no shit stuck to him. What a history it has, known CV: invited the Russian hackers to find the deleted emails, inferred people exercise the 2nd on Hillary, grope em by the pussy…….2 Corinthians – my favourite highlight of his complete incompetence that one made me laugh still does not so much the 7/11 ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EIgHsGZAmk So America is governed ( oh 19th dec sooneth wonder how many of your electoral college will man up) by a puppet of Putin, and anyone who voted for him is puppet of Putin. president Comrade monster Trump

heavyblinker -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 8:44:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 FR Why the fuck do you guys care NOW? You sure didn't give two fucks when emailgate started! In fact you guys kept saying it was a non story. And just another bullshit investigation... A waste of taxpayer dollars you cried to the heavens! It WAS a non-story. The problem was that too many people didn't realize this. There was no way to know how many people didn't realize this because the polls kept saying that Hillary was ahead. I don't think people were angry about the hacked info so much as disillusioned by it, so it made certain groups less likely to participate... and voter apathy has always helped GOP candidates. Trump was a douchebag and there were heaps of attacks on him, but nothing ever came out revealing that he was strategically 'playing' his voter base, or looking for ways to 'game' the election. It should always be assumed that every candidate is doing this, but it's not quite the same as actually seeing it happen. Trump's biggest problem was that he was a shitty person who didn't and still doesn't belong in the White House, but Hillary's biggest problem was trust and connecting with the people. Considering the election is about connecting with people, I'd say the emails actually did quite a bit of damage. quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 NOW that Trump actually won the election... And the RNC proved to be better at cyber security, you cry foul. You have the nerve to say that us conservatives are afraid of a woman President, and cry about Russia, when you should be crying about Clinton, and her unsecured bathroom server. The Russians hacked the RNC too... I don't know why Fox News thinks otherwise. quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 You should be crying about her total lack of intelligence, and her total incompetence at handling security clearances. But no, you'll still beat the party drum, and lay blame everywhere BUT at the feet of the idiot where the blame truly lies. I highly doubt that Hillary OR Trump were personally responsible for the DNC or RNC Internet security.

mnottertail -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 8:47:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail since there was no email gate thats why it was a non story. A waste of taxpayer dollars because after 11 or more investigations there was no evidence of crime or hacking. RNC has not proved that it has better cyber security. Her server was secured enough that it took the FBI months to break it. You are spewing gobs of factless felch with no proof whatsoever. You are one sad, pathetic but funny fool. You amuse me. You are one sad pathetic felchgobbling nutsucker. You havent the intellect to wipe your own ass, and you amuse nobody, retard.

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 8:58:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.14513cc54d04 quote: “Earlier this week, I met separately with FBI [Director] James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,” Brennan said, according to U.S. officials who have seen the message. CIA and FBI officials do not think Russia had a “single purpose” by intervening during the presidential campaign, officials said. In addition to the goal of helping elect Trump, Putin aimed to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, intelligence officials have told lawmakers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/16/another-jim-comey-wildcard-just-got-dropped-on-the-2016-election/?tid=pm_politics_pop&utm_term=.1263668f8f36 quote: Previously, the FBI's apparently noncommittal stance on Russia's motives provided skeptical Republicans with some valuable plausible deniability that Russia actually intended to help Trump. Part of the apparent disharmony seemed to stem from the differences in the two organizations' mission statements and cultures, with the FBI more interested in what it could prove and the CIA more comfortable drawing inferences based on the evidence at hand. An official now tells The Post that the FBI's and CIA's positions were “never all that different in the first place.” What better way to undermine the US electoral system than to help a totally incompetent buffoon into the White House? You get to make America look stupid, disrupt the government as a whole and spend the next 4 years exploiting an easily manipulated president. Putin must have been laughing his ass off throughout the whole campaign. What actually happened was Comey didn't get this marching orders till late. Obama saw a way to discredit Trump and allow the Dems to get a head start on the 2020 campaign.

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:02:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata There is no basis on which to claim that the hacking affected the outcome of the election. The implication that people would have voted differently is sour grapes speculation. K. But you notice the timing of this, 2 days before the electors meet, the Dems are still trying to steal the election

Wayward5oul -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:02:27 AM)
FR Whether or not people believe that the hacks had an effect on the outcome of the election shouldn't be the top priority, IMO. Neither should our main concern be Russia's motive for hacking - does it matter if they were trying to affect the outcome? What we should ALL be worried about is that they did it, PERIOD. A foreign government has infiltrated our system. As Americans, are we not worried about that? Or is it Party first, and Country second?

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:10:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata But if there was an effect, it was solely due to the content of the materials that Wikileaks released, and the bizarre proposition that American democracy has somehow been undermined by voters knowing the truth is a mind-numbing absurdity. Except they only knew the 'truth' about one of the candidates. The other one wouldn't even release his tax returns, let alone personal emails regarding business dealings. All we got was his embarrassing public behavior and some irrelevant backstage recording... not even the Apprentice outtakes. You might not think it makes a difference, but it does. But of course I'm sure that Russia was acting in the interests of American democracy... nobody loves American democracy more than a former KGB agent. Yep, of course it was much worse to not release tax returns that to try to disrupt the opponents rallies by instigating violence or to conspire with the DNC to fix the primaries. BTW there was an attempt to hack the RNC, but they had better security. And there was a attempt to hack the Georgia voting system, but they stopped it and traced it back to the source....... Department of Homeland Security. Then in the parts of Michigan where Hillary did well more people voted than were registered.

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:13:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Yeah, it's too bad the media never covered any of the dirt on Trump. You're a fucking laugh a minute. When did they cover the contents of private emails between Trump and members of the RNC? They just did saturation coverage of any accusation against him and like you treated the accusation as being proof. You could say that whoever leaked this was leveling the playing field.

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:19:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul FR Whether or not people believe that the hacks had an effect on the outcome of the election shouldn't be the top priority, IMO. Neither should our main concern be Russia's motive for hacking - does it matter if they were trying to affect the outcome? What we should ALL be worried about is that they did it, PERIOD. A foreign government has infiltrated our system. As Americans, are we not worried about that? Or is it Party first, and Country second? The election and any hacking are separate issues. Like it or not Trump won. This whole thing might (not would have but there would have been a chance) have been avoided if anyone had been concerned with computer security rather than stalling to protect Hillary.

heavyblinker -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:20:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD BTW there was an attempt to hack the RNC, but they had better security. And there was a attempt to hack the Georgia voting system, but they stopped it and traced it back to the source....... Department of Homeland Security. Then in the parts of Michigan where Hillary did well more people voted than were registered. Where are you getting these lies from?

heavyblinker -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:22:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What actually happened was Comey didn't get this marching orders till late. Obama saw a way to discredit Trump and allow the Dems to get a head start on the 2020 campaign. Except Obama could have made this public before the election and whoever comes next wouldn't have had to face an incumbent president. He showed the kind of restraint and tact that Comey seems incapable of.

heavyblinker -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:26:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD They just did saturation coverage of any accusation against him and like you treated the accusation as being proof. You could say that whoever leaked this was leveling the playing field. The media endlessly dissected and mocked everything Trump publicly said, but it's not even close to the sort of damage that comes from exposing the inner workings of his campaign. Regardless, it's extremely stupid to defend Russian hacking simply because you like that it helped your candidate to win.

Real0ne -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:41:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail since there was no email gate thats why it was a non story. A waste of taxpayer dollars because after 11 or more investigations there was no evidence of crime or hacking. RNC has not proved that it has better cyber security. Her server was secured enough that it took the FBI months to break it. You are spewing gobs of factless felch with no proof whatsoever. yer smokin some good shit man! using a nongubmint server for gubmint business IS a crime!! Fuck you people will say anything, now you know why trump won! Maybe they should have hired the russains to protect us and do their job for them? [img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stufff/trump-sweeps-ben-garrison_orig.jpg[/img]

Wayward5oul -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:43:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul FR Whether or not people believe that the hacks had an effect on the outcome of the election shouldn't be the top priority, IMO. Neither should our main concern be Russia's motive for hacking - does it matter if they were trying to affect the outcome? What we should ALL be worried about is that they did it, PERIOD. A foreign government has infiltrated our system. As Americans, are we not worried about that? Or is it Party first, and Country second? The election and any hacking are separate issues. Like it or not Trump won. Agreed. And no investigation in the world will be able to change that. No outcome will result in a 'do-over'. Even if an investigation were to find that Russia did want to influence the election, and even if it were to discover that Trump was complicit in that, the result of that would be that after a long and protracted fight, Trump would be out and Pence would take over. I dislike Trump vehemently, but the election is over. No investigation will change that outcome. quote: This whole thing might (not would have but there would have been a chance) have been avoided if anyone had been concerned with computer security rather than stalling to protect Hillary. Maybe, maybe not. There are still reports of RNC hacking that can't yet be discounted, and if the Russians wanted to help Trump, they are going to hide that. But even if what you say about Hillary is true, nothing is going to change that, just as nothing is going to change the outcome of the election. Hillary is out of the picture now. She lost. So why are people still bitching about her, when we have bigger fish to fry? Hell, if anything, an investigation into the hacking might show more weaknesses or corruption in her network, so I would think that her detractors would welcome that. I dislike Hillary. Not as much as Trump, but I think that she deserves everything that she has gotten in terms of this election. She lost. Good. Time to move on. A foreign country has infiltrated the U.S. Has interfered with our government, for whatever reason. It absolutely astounds me that American citizens are arguing about whether or not we should be concerned about that.

Real0ne -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 9:51:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata But if there was an effect, it was solely due to the content of the materials that Wikileaks released, and the bizarre proposition that American democracy has somehow been undermined by voters knowing the truth is a mind-numbing absurdity. Except they only knew the 'truth' about one of the candidates. The other one wouldn't even release his tax returns, let alone personal emails regarding business dealings. All we got was his embarrassing public behavior and some irrelevant backstage recording... not even the Apprentice outtakes. You might not think it makes a difference, but it does. But of course I'm sure that Russia was acting in the interests of American democracy... nobody loves American democracy more than a former KGB agent. Yep, of course it was much worse to not release tax returns that to try to disrupt the opponents rallies by instigating violence or to conspire with the DNC to fix the primaries. BTW there was an attempt to hack the RNC, but they had better security. And there was a attempt to hack the Georgia voting system, but they stopped it and traced it back to the source....... Department of Homeland Security. Then in the parts of Michigan where Hillary did well more people voted than were registered. but that doesnt count in a cryfest. [img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stufff/Hacked-578x420.jpg[/img]

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 10:04:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD BTW there was an attempt to hack the RNC, but they had better security. And there was a attempt to hack the Georgia voting system, but they stopped it and traced it back to the source....... Department of Homeland Security. Then in the parts of Michigan where Hillary did well more people voted than were registered. Where are you getting these lies from? The news, don't you read anything you don't like? Just because you don't know something doesn't make it a lie.

heavyblinker -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 10:07:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The news, don't you read anything you don't like? Just because you don't know something doesn't make it a lie. By 'the news' I'm going to assume you mean right wing conspiracy sites.

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 10:15:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul FR Whether or not people believe that the hacks had an effect on the outcome of the election shouldn't be the top priority, IMO. Neither should our main concern be Russia's motive for hacking - does it matter if they were trying to affect the outcome? What we should ALL be worried about is that they did it, PERIOD. A foreign government has infiltrated our system. As Americans, are we not worried about that? Or is it Party first, and Country second? The election and any hacking are separate issues. Like it or not Trump won. Agreed. And no investigation in the world will be able to change that. No outcome will result in a 'do-over'. Even if an investigation were to find that Russia did want to influence the election, and even if it were to discover that Trump was complicit in that, the result of that would be that after a long and protracted fight, Trump would be out and Pence would take over. I dislike Trump vehemently, but the election is over. No investigation will change that outcome. quote: This whole thing might (not would have but there would have been a chance) have been avoided if anyone had been concerned with computer security rather than stalling to protect Hillary. Maybe, maybe not. There are still reports of RNC hacking that can't yet be discounted, and if the Russians wanted to help Trump, they are going to hide that. But even if what you say about Hillary is true, nothing is going to change that, just as nothing is going to change the outcome of the election. Hillary is out of the picture now. She lost. So why are people still bitching about her, when we have bigger fish to fry? Hell, if anything, an investigation into the hacking might show more weaknesses or corruption in her network, so I would think that her detractors would welcome that. I dislike Hillary. Not as much as Trump, but I think that she deserves everything that she has gotten in terms of this election. She lost. Good. Time to move on. A foreign country has infiltrated the U.S. Has interfered with our government, for whatever reason. It absolutely astounds me that American citizens are arguing about whether or not we should be concerned about that. As I said many times during the election Trump was the worst the Republicans had to offer. In fact the only person running who would vote for Trump over was Hillary. Every thing I am worried about with Trump is the least of my worries over Hillary. Of course national security has to be considered of overwhelming importance but the administration, and the media downplayed that problem when they thought it would hurt Hillary to go into it. Now that some think it may have hurt her they suddenly see how it is important. I don't think that I have seen anyone say that the hacking problem is not important now, but I saw lots of Hillary supporters tell us it was impossible last summer. The casual approach she showed toward cyber security is exactly the thing that opened up the floodgates for this and other problems.

BamaD -> RE: FBI agrees with CIA: Russia helped Trump take White House (12/17/2016 10:19:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The news, don't you read anything you don't like? Just because you don't know something doesn't make it a lie. By 'the news' I'm going to assume you mean right wing conspiracy sites. No, I mean actual news networks. Try goofleing what I claimed instead of taking pride in you ignorance.

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