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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And still you have people who have never owned guns who get them out of fear of what they have always called hicks, who think that they are better than gun owners, live in fear of what those hicks are going to do, and have no experience with firearms, everything I said. Further they have someone making these claims but they just assumed that it was the truth and don't seem to have verified it, still no proof. This person who "rolled her eyes" at her father for owning a firearm is the only verifiable new lib gun owner.

If they are pro gun liberals it isn't a story, if they are previously anti-gun liberals it is either false news or everything I I said about them is accurate.

They are learning to use them... this means that at some point, they will not be inexperienced.

Some are afraid of Trump's potential assault on civil liberties, some are afraid the bigotry that Trump has stirred up and its potential to lead to conflict.

There is proof because of the background checks being run, as well as the fact that the LIBERAL GUN CLUB has seen a surge in membership applications.

I think that the whole 'anti-gun' thing was more about regulations than bans, but since there hasn't been a president like Trump in the history of the US, it was difficult to foresee guns ever becoming necessary. But it's probably also due to the climate that widespread gun ownership by the right has led to.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Two of us have expressed support for liberals coming around. How ever I still want to know how anyone knows it is liberals buying the guns. It isn't on the background check and I have never gotten a question about my political beliefs, salesmen don't pry into that sort of thing. I suspect that this is fake news.

Read the article... or at least the bit I just quoted.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
If it is true my biggest problem would be if people who have spent their whole life in fear of guns, and thus intentionally ignorant of them running around carrying weapons.

Who says they've been afraid? Who says they've been ignorant?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Wrong, the fact that there are background being run doesn't prove anything.
Wrong, someday they will be experienced but they aren't and unlike my son, for example gun safety is not second nature to them.
And wrong, you even state that they are motivated by fear.
So you thinkthat restrictions are worse than bans?

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Two of us have expressed support for liberals coming around. How ever I still want to know how anyone knows it is liberals buying the guns. It isn't on the background check and I have never gotten a question about my political beliefs, salesmen don't pry into that sort of thing. I suspect that this is fake news.

Read the article... or at least the bit I just quoted.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
If it is true my biggest problem would be if people who have spent their whole life in fear of guns, and thus intentionally ignorant of them running around carrying weapons.

Who says they've been afraid? Who says they've been ignorant?

One thing you should keep in mind, while liberals never listen to any news other than that which is given to them with their kool aid, conservatives are pretty much forced to hear liberal BS everywhere. So, while its normal for you not to understand us while you're makin up names to call us when we don't agree with you, we always understand you while making decisions.

Liberals tell of their fear all of the time. And, if you don't have extensive training with firearms, you are ignorant. It's the nature of the beast.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Wrong, the fact that there are background being run doesn't prove anything.
Wrong, someday they will be experienced but they aren't and unlike my son, for example gun safety is not second nature to them.
And wrong, you even state that they are motivated by fear.
So you thinkthat restrictions are worse than bans?

You say that background checks doesn't mean anything . . . so you think those people are just having it done for the fun of it?

Second SOME experience is better than NO experience.

Not motivated by fear. You are SO wrong about that. People are literally SCARED of what might happen with Trump, myself included. I, along with many, MANY more people can see a possible near future where anarchy is the rule. Personally, and ONLY because of Trump, I am stocking up on ammunition for the various guns I have. I wish I could afford to get another one or two guns, but what I have is a pretty good cross section. And I am converting a fairly substantial part of my savings to silver, which would still have some trading value if the U.S. economy tanks and our "money" is useless.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Two of us have expressed support for liberals coming around. How ever I still want to know how anyone knows it is liberals buying the guns. It isn't on the background check and I have never gotten a question about my political beliefs, salesmen don't pry into that sort of thing. I suspect that this is fake news.

Read the article... or at least the bit I just quoted.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
If it is true my biggest problem would be if people who have spent their whole life in fear of guns, and thus intentionally ignorant of them running around carrying weapons.

Who says they've been afraid? Who says they've been ignorant?

One thing you should keep in mind, while liberals never listen to any news other than that which is given to them with their kool aid, conservatives are pretty much forced to hear liberal BS everywhere. So, while its normal for you not to understand us while you're makin up names to call us when we don't agree with you, we always understand you while making decisions.

Liberals tell of their fear all of the time. And, if you don't have extensive training with firearms, you are ignorant. It's the nature of the beast.

They listen to news that is factual and thats not something nutsuckers have commerce with. Nutsuckers tell us of their pants shitting felchgobbling fear and anger continuously.

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Wrong, the fact that there are background being run doesn't prove anything.
Wrong, someday they will be experienced but they aren't and unlike my son, for example gun safety is not second nature to them.
And wrong, you even state that they are motivated by fear.
So you thinkthat restrictions are worse than bans?

You say that background checks doesn't mean anything . . . so you think those people are just having it done for the fun of it?

Second SOME experience is better than NO experience.

Not motivated by fear. You are SO wrong about that. People are literally SCARED of what might happen with Trump, myself included. I, along with many, MANY more people can see a possible near future where anarchy is the rule. Personally, and ONLY because of Trump, I am stocking up on ammunition for the various guns I have. I wish I could afford to get another one or two guns, but what I have is a pretty good cross section. And I am converting a fairly substantial part of my savings to silver, which would still have some trading value if the U.S. economy tanks and our "money" is useless.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
One thing you should keep in mind, while liberals never listen to any news other than that which is given to them with their kool aid, conservatives are pretty much forced to hear liberal BS everywhere. So, while its normal for you not to understand us while you're makin up names to call us when we don't agree with you, we always understand you while making decisions.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Liberals tell of their fear all of the time. And, if you don't have extensive training with firearms, you are ignorant. It's the nature of the beast.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Liberals tell of their fear all of the time. And, if you don't have extensive training with firearms, you are ignorant. It's the nature of the beast.

So what? They're willing to learn, so what's the problem?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
One thing you should keep in mind, while liberals never listen to any news other than that which is given to them with their kool aid, conservatives are pretty much forced to hear liberal BS everywhere. So, while its normal for you not to understand us while you're makin up names to call us when we don't agree with you, we always understand you while making decisions.

You understand the various stereotypes and straw men that you've invented, nothing more.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Liberals tell of their fear all of the time. And, if you don't have extensive training with firearms, you are ignorant. It's the nature of the beast.

So what? They're willing to learn, so what's the problem?

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
The problem is hypocrisy.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
And hell, if you want to look at it in a partician way, currently there are 100 million American gun owners that own 300 million guns. 40 or 50 thousand liberals owning guns aren't going to stand up and maintain now. They'll eventually join us.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
And hell, if you want to look at it in a partician way, currently there are 100 million American gun owners that own 300 million guns. 40 or 50 thousand liberals owning guns aren't going to stand up and maintain now. They'll eventually join us.

Yep, it's called escalation.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
There you go, those liberal blinders. People abandoning your position and joining mine has to be called something other than what it is so it can be explained when the kool aid is distributed. Once those people see that what they thought was big daddy government that takes care of them cradle to grave isn't really there for them, the scales will fall from their eyes. They are on the road to recovery. I'm happy for them.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
The problem is hypocrisy.

Making it harder for people to get guns doesn't mean that nobody should ever be able to get a gun.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Making it harder for people to get guns won't necessarily make it harder for criminals and whack jobs to get guns, certainly not in the long term.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
There you go, those liberal blinders. People abandoning your position and joining mine has to be called something other than what it is so it can be explained when the kool aid is distributed. Once those people see that what they thought was big daddy government that takes care of them cradle to grave isn't really there for them, the scales will fall from their eyes. They are on the road to recovery. I'm happy for them.

Opposing Trump isn't the same thing as opposing the entire concept of government.
Buying guns isn't the same thing as switching sides.

It's like you're incapable of seeing things in anything but the most black and white terms.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Making it harder for people to get guns won't necessarily make it harder for criminals and whack jobs to get guns, certainly not in the long term.

Yeah, that is also something that needs to be dealt with.

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Ah, you've edited this completely from the original. Which is good for you since the original was inane.

If you could actually follow/understand a thread, you'd see that your statement here isn't germane to the quotes in the OP. Who posted that OP anyway, who's thread should you understand? Hum, were I you, I wouldn't cast stones about seeing things.

Here is from the OP:

"It just feels like we are living at the end of the world and everybody expects the apocalypse to come sooner rather than later," says Clara, the nursing student."

How is that just opposing Trump?

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"There are people who have professed to carrying a gun now because Trump made them feel unsafe," she says.

It is not just gun ownership that liberals are reassessing in the wake of Donald Trump's election win. There appears to have been a surge in interest in survivalism too.

"A lot of people are worried that not only will [a Trump presidency] fail but that it will fail spectacularly to the point that we are going to end up on in one or more critical situations that we are just not prepared for," says Jeff, 36, one of the group's members.

Some of the new members are reluctant first-time gun owners, says Smith, concerned that isolated acts of aggression against minorities could escalate into something more violent and that a Trump administration will dismantle key constitutional rights, leading to a "more fascist rule than the US has ever had".

"We are not looking for end of the world Mad Max-type scenarios, we are not looking at a zombie apocalypse," says the author of a left wing survivalist blog, who also reports a surge in interest since Trump's victory.

He says it is "fairly easy to predict" an economic collapse under Trump but adds: "No matter what, the country is still going to be here in four years, there's going to be another election."