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ORIGINAL: tamaka
If we really needed to revolt against the government guns aren't going to do it for us.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Ah, you've edited this completely from the original. Which is good for you since the original was inane.

If you could actually follow/understand a thread, you'd see that your statement here isn't germane to the quotes in the OP. Who posted that OP anyway, who's thread should you understand? Hum, were I you, I wouldn't cast stones about seeing things.

Here is from the OP:

"It just feels like we are living at the end of the world and everybody expects the apocalypse to come sooner rather than later," says Clara, the nursing student."

How is that just opposing Trump?

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"There are people who have professed to carrying a gun now because Trump made them feel unsafe," she says.

It is not just gun ownership that liberals are reassessing in the wake of Donald Trump's election win. There appears to have been a surge in interest in survivalism too.

"A lot of people are worried that not only will [a Trump presidency] fail but that it will fail spectacularly to the point that we are going to end up on in one or more critical situations that we are just not prepared for," says Jeff, 36, one of the group's members.

Some of the new members are reluctant first-time gun owners, says Smith, concerned that isolated acts of aggression against minorities could escalate into something more violent and that a Trump administration will dismantle key constitutional rights, leading to a "more fascist rule than the US has ever had".

"We are not looking for end of the world Mad Max-type scenarios, we are not looking at a zombie apocalypse," says the author of a left wing survivalist blog, who also reports a surge in interest since Trump's victory.

He says it is "fairly easy to predict" an economic collapse under Trump but adds: "No matter what, the country is still going to be here in four years, there's going to be another election."

The whole point of the article is that Trump is making these people feel doomed and unsafe, and that is why they are interested in guns.

I guess you didn't pick up on that since you didn't actually read it or understand the thread... but yeah, keep pretending the only person who seems to have actually read the article is the clueless one.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Oh I get that. I also get that you only see the word "TRUMP" and it sets you off without thinking. Many of those people seem to see the deconstruction of their worldview based on the fact that Trump could be elected in what the kool aid said was a safe little cocoon world. The are taking personal responsibility rather than assuming someone like Obama will give them things. It's you that doesn't understand what you've posted because you've never looked beyond the cocoon. I, as Churchill once said, was a liberal in my youth and went through the process to shed the cocoon. I see and you just don't. I welcome these people and you fear them. Well, sorry for you.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
The whole point of the article is that Trump is making these people feel doomed and unsafe, and that is why they are interested in guns.

I guess you didn't pick up on that since you didn't actually read it or understand the thread... but yeah, keep pretending the only person who seems to have actually read the article is the clueless one.

Oh I get that. I also get that you only see the word "TRUMP" and it sets you off without thinking. Many of those people seem to see the deconstruction of their worldview based on the fact that Trump could be elected in what the kool aid said was a safe little cocoon world. The are taking personal responsibility rather than assuming someone like Obama will give them things. It's you that doesn't understand what you've posted because you've never looked beyond the cocoon. I, as Churchill once said, was a liberal in my youth and went through the process to shed the cocoon. I see and you just don't. I welcome these people and you fear them. Well, sorry for you.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
be a legitimate fear of the loss of the American way of life

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Ah, you've edited this completely from the original. Which is good for you since the original was inane.

If you could actually follow/understand a thread, you'd see that your statement here isn't germane to the quotes in the OP. Who posted that OP anyway, who's thread should you understand? Hum, were I you, I wouldn't cast stones about seeing things.

Here is from the OP:

"It just feels like we are living at the end of the world and everybody expects the apocalypse to come sooner rather than later," says Clara, the nursing student."

How is that just opposing Trump?

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"There are people who have professed to carrying a gun now because Trump made them feel unsafe," she says.

It is not just gun ownership that liberals are reassessing in the wake of Donald Trump's election win. There appears to have been a surge in interest in survivalism too.

"A lot of people are worried that not only will [a Trump presidency] fail but that it will fail spectacularly to the point that we are going to end up on in one or more critical situations that we are just not prepared for," says Jeff, 36, one of the group's members.

Some of the new members are reluctant first-time gun owners, says Smith, concerned that isolated acts of aggression against minorities could escalate into something more violent and that a Trump administration will dismantle key constitutional rights, leading to a "more fascist rule than the US has ever had".

"We are not looking for end of the world Mad Max-type scenarios, we are not looking at a zombie apocalypse," says the author of a left wing survivalist blog, who also reports a surge in interest since Trump's victory.

He says it is "fairly easy to predict" an economic collapse under Trump but adds: "No matter what, the country is still going to be here in four years, there's going to be another election."

The whole point of the article is that Trump is making these people feel doomed and unsafe, and that is why they are interested in guns.

I guess you didn't pick up on that since you didn't actually read it or understand the thread... but yeah, keep pretending the only person who seems to have actually read the article is the clueless one.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

be a legitimate fear of the loss of the American way of life

The fear was legitimate, the reasons for it were not.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Oh I get that. I also get that you only see the word "TRUMP" and it sets you off without thinking. Many of those people seem to see the deconstruction of their worldview based on the fact that Trump could be elected in what the kool aid said was a safe little cocoon world. The are taking personal responsibility rather than assuming someone like Obama will give them things. It's you that doesn't understand what you've posted because you've never looked beyond the cocoon. I, as Churchill once said, was a liberal in my youth and went through the process to shed the cocoon. I see and you just don't. I welcome these people and you fear them. Well, sorry for you.

Oh right, you're not caught up in your own delusions, you possess some sort of magical visionary quality by virtue of being a right-wing nutjob.

Nowhere in the article does it say or suggest that they would have felt this way if Hillary had won, or that they won't feel differently if the Dems win in 2020. And until you get over your need to see anyone who disagrees with you as a weakling who wants the government to coddle them, you're never going to understand anything.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Liberals have all said the government was benevolent and would protect us so we didn't need guns. Conservative responded that any power you give to government to give you thing or to protect you can be taken by that government.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Now, you are seeing people who begin to understand that point. They fear the power they gave the government may be turned on them and they reach for guns. It's a small step in understanding, but an important one. While you didn't realize you were arguing my point, I think those in the article eventually will.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

be a legitimate fear of the loss of the American way of life

The fear was legitimate, the reasons for it were not.

Snipping quotes to misrepresent used to be a "party foul", around here.

The lack of moderation aside, I would ask that you NOT mis-quote my words. At least using a full sentence would be appreciated.

Michael

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Liberals have all said the government was benevolent and would protect us so we didn't need guns. Conservative responded that any power you give to government to give you thing or to protect you can be taken by that government.

Who specifically said that the government was benevolent and would protect us??
And if the government wants to take you out, they probably can... being armed isn't going to stop them.

I don't know what they personally think, but if you ask me this is a reaction to their sudden sense of powerlessness.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Now, you are seeing people who begin to understand that point. They fear the power they gave the government may be turned on them and they reach for guns. It's a small step in understanding, but an important one. While you didn't realize you were arguing my point, I think those in the article eventually will.

They recognize that THIS government is a threat... it doesn't mean that they think ALL governments are a threat, or that they're going to stop being liberals.

And if you seriously think that this is a 'step forward', then you should look at what you just typed and ask yourself if a belief system rooted in what you've just admitted is fear is conducive to rationality or not.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

We would need more than guns to rise up against an oppressive government. We'd need our own military to turn on them.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

We would need more than guns to rise up against an oppressive government. We'd need our own military to turn on them.

That is exactly what the founders intended.

The definition of "militia" includes the fact that it cannot be comprised of any member of the military or an elected official.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Any power you don't want the "other side" to have is power you can't (if you have any sense) give to your side. As your side is just learning all that power they gave to Obama and company is now in the hands of people they don't trust. Once you and your ilk understand this we will be well on the way to healing.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
As for saying they might have done the same thing if Hillary had won put you in direct conflict with the article that "proves" every thing.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
But actually guns help because they would make it near impossible for the government to do its job. Imagine that the cops going on a loud noise complaint were picked off from a window across the street. Just get them out of that car. Even code enforcement people.