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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 11:19:59 AM   
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Liberals are claiming to be buying guns because the actually believe Trumpets are going to come gunning for them and conservatives are paranoid?


It's not really paranoid to think that Trump has emboldened militant racists who want to 'take America back from the immigrants', or who hate gays and/or transgendered people. It's also not paranoid to claim that those people are terrifying in a lot of ways.

It's not exactly the same thing as thinking Obama hates America, is going to take your guns away, and intends to bring the NWO to America.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 11:58:40 AM   
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"For fuckwits who think that the right of of two yr. olds reaching into mom's purse and finding her gun while at the grocery store and firing away, or their right to finding the gun slipped back underneath stupid mom's seat in the SUV and firing away, or kids with Uzis at the shooting range, or public or concealed carry drunkards at the pub was -the intention of the second amendment-, ... "

I thought that liberals considered stereotyping bad. Guess I was wrong.

T^T


I thought that stating facts was considered stereotyping by 'conservatives.' Guess I was right.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 12:08:39 PM   
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"For fuckwits who think that the right of of two yr. olds reaching into mom's purse and finding her gun while at the grocery store and firing away, or their right to finding the gun slipped back underneath stupid mom's seat in the SUV and firing away, or kids with Uzis at the shooting range, or public or concealed carry drunkards at the pub was -the intention of the second amendment-, ... "

I thought that liberals considered stereotyping bad. Guess I was wrong.

T^T


I thought that stating facts was considered stereotyping by 'conservatives.' Guess I was right.



No conservative actually thinks toddlers have a right to Moms handgun or a right to behave criminally or behave stupidly is the intention of the Second Amendment. Whoever wrote that crap is a fuckwit.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 12:20:10 PM   
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Liberals are claiming to be buying guns because the actually believe Trumpets are going to come gunning for them and conservatives are paranoid?


It's not really paranoid to think that Trump has emboldened militant racists who want to 'take America back from the immigrants', or who hate gays and/or transgendered people. It's also not paranoid to claim that those people are terrifying in a lot of ways.

It's not exactly the same thing as thinking Obama hates America, is going to take your guns away, and intends to bring the NWO to America.


Yep.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 12:21:16 PM   
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Not at all surprised the point went way over your head.

Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact.



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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 12:29:52 PM   
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The NRA came up with that one, not me. "Guns don't kill, people do." Just because I shoved that logic straight back in their face doesn't make me or anyone else 'anti-gun,' just anti-stupid.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 12:35:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		for those of you answering baldrick's unfortunate post (thank you), and lets also throw in the countries other than America where to a very large degree, that very thing has indeed occurred.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 12:41:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunate post? How exactly is it unfortunate? Buy all the guns you want.... I don't care... shoot each other in the streets, in the classrooms.. I don't care... that is your problem not mine... I have firearms, I served in the military of 2 different countries..

In Canada we don't have mass shootings, or haven't in a long time.. keep it up US, you are a shining example to the world..

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 12:44:57 PM   
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She wasnt my pantsuit...so even now you cant even tell the truth.
You couldnt have an honest conversation with me if I gave you all the answers to memorize.
You hide, you lie, and you ignore my posts when they prove your bullshit wrong time after time.
Thats why you cannot have an honest conversation, you dont know what honesty is.
I dont expect you to start now.


So much anger, she can't even think straight!


you know whats funny about it too? I mean apart from all the self-aggrandizing occurring---she continues to act as if I have, or should have, an interest, if not a moral obligation to read and respond to her posts.

by the way, would you wanna talk with someone who just wrote all that and who thinks like that?


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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 1:09:25 PM   
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Unfortunate post? How exactly is it unfortunate? Buy all the guns you want.... I don't care... shoot each other in the streets, in the classrooms.. I don't care... that is your problem not mine... I have firearms, I served in the military of 2 different countries..

In Canada we don't have mass shootings, or haven't in a long time.. keep it up US, you are a shining example to the world..



at least "unfortunate" in this regard: that you failed to make the point you were hoping to make.

and in this regard, that your statement didn't have what I would call internal cohesion. look to one of bama's responses to you for that.

lastly, in this regard---that there's a fundamental qualitative difference between people being concerned for an essential right, compared to those complaints that find their primary impetus in an individual's dislike of Donald trump.

in short, you didn't come out smelling like roses.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 1:11:45 PM   
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Not at all surprised the point went way over your head.

Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact.




Then perhaps you could deminstrate that for us. Nothing that I've seen so far from the libs would actually mitigate these types of things. Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment. Bill Clinton knows what I'm talking about. You don't even have a point.


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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 2:16:24 PM   
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Liberals are claiming to be buying guns because the actually believe Trumpets are going to come gunning for them and conservatives are paranoid?


It's not really paranoid to think that Trump has emboldened militant racists who want to 'take America back from the immigrants', or who hate gays and/or transgendered people. It's also not paranoid to claim that those people are terrifying in a lot of ways.

It's not exactly the same thing as thinking Obama hates America, is going to take your guns away, and intends to bring the NWO to America.


Yes that is paranoid.
And just because Obama failed to ban guns doesn't mean he didn't try.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 2:20:32 PM   
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Not at all surprised the point went way over your head.

Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact.




Then perhaps you could deminstrate that for us. Nothing that I've seen so far from the libs would actually mitigate these types of things. Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment. Bill Clinton knows what I'm talking about. You don't even have a point.


what actual attacks have been made on the 2nd? I dont know what you are looking to mitigate, but there are many proposals that would mitigate some of the issues with filling in the cracks and making it easier to keep guns out of the hands of mental defectives and criminals, universal background check being the primary one, and funding states data input into the NICS.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 2:21:24 PM   
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Not at all surprised the point went way over your head.

Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact.




Then perhaps you could deminstrate that for us. Nothing that I've seen so far from the libs would actually mitigate these types of things. Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment. Bill Clinton knows what I'm talking about. You don't even have a point.


The liberals say they just want to cut crime but consistently admit that no one thing they propose would cut crime. The only thing they want is to reduce the number of guns people own, so yes, it is a well proven fact that these bills are an attack on the 2nd amendment.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 2:39:32 PM   
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I've never said that any and every of nostrums from liberals would mitigate much any of the problems of society, gun related or otherwise, especially not from a Clinton. Which is why I'm not a fan of theirs, whatever simplistic agenda asserted. The unmistakable Republican agenda, OTOH, is to conducting of the efforts of society to the select few, to divert wealth created by the producers to the select few leeches of society. The only reason I give consideration at all to liberals is because that is the only method available to us at the moment for at least tapping the brakes on for what all appearances seems to be a 90 mph pedal-to-the-metal drag race to the cliffs.

The very idea of 'political conservative' is quite the fatuous moniker, as sick joke, for such an ardently radical group of destroyers of society.

I don't disagree that much of liberal propositions to many problems would be ineffectual, but the very proposition, the very idea, of protecting society in 'matters of the gun' immediately get's turned to ...
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Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment.


Yeah, well, like I said ...











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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 2:48:05 PM   
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Not at all surprised the point went way over your head.

Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact.




Then perhaps you could deminstrate that for us. Nothing that I've seen so far from the libs would actually mitigate these types of things. Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment. Bill Clinton knows what I'm talking about. You don't even have a point.


The liberals say they just want to cut crime but consistently admit that no one thing they propose would cut crime. The only thing they want is to reduce the number of guns people own, so yes, it is a well proven fact that these bills are an attack on the 2nd amendment.

The nutsuckers say they want to murder people but admit that not doing anything will murder more people, they also admit that they want to destroy the first amendment, and unconstitutionally destroy our elections. So, yes it is a well proven fact that that nutsuckers are trying to destroy the country and the constitution, using welfare patients as their jailbait.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 2:53:26 PM   
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Not at all surprised the point went way over your head.

Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact.


Then perhaps you could deminstrate that for us. Nothing that I've seen so far from the libs would actually mitigate these types of things. Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment. Bill Clinton knows what I'm talking about. You don't even have a point.


A hint: demanding that someone provide demonstration of something and then immediately providing such demonstration yourself doesn't exhibit the best demonstration of having any smarts.

Just a hint.





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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 3:34:29 PM   
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Liberals are claiming to be buying guns because the actually believe Trumpets are going to come gunning for them and conservatives are paranoid?


Gun sales increased when GHW told us that "Willie Horton is coming after you, I'm the only one who can save you.' Even before he got elected. The increased gun sales wasn't from paranoid liberals. There's a clue.

Sales of guns and ammo increased 90% after election of Obama in 2008, and if you think the only consideration there was to potential of new gun laws, you are greatly separated from reality. Take the heavy hint.

That "Take Our Country Back!" thing got hot and heavy for a while there, no question that being taken quite literally by some significant some.

The OP stated nothing about gun sales, but rather the 10% increase of already gun owners joining liberal gun clubs, which, even after all the above, means that liberals are more paranoid than 'conservatives,' do I have this right?

If it actually comes as surprise, which seems to be the case even among liberals, that those who consistently vote for demise of civilization are inherently more paranoid, then there are too many people not paying attention.






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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 4:19:41 PM   
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"Political conservatives" are those who argue that you can't prohibit the right of corporations to indiscriminately create large puddles of gasoline wherever they choose (otherwise, not "business friendly"), and that the government, after having already accommodating the corporations in that endeavor, would be crushing "individual freedom!" in even contemplating any laws against our right to indiscriminately flick lit matches wherever we choose, god forbid those "nanny state" laws trying to force 'free individuals' to actually look at WTF they are doing for half a second before they do it.

The diminution of individual rights and personal freedom and individual privacy has all and everything to do with the rise in 'corporate rights,' and cannot be anything but of inverse commensurate measure thereby.

It has never in history been otherwise.

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RE: US Liberals are buying guns - 12/27/2016 9:28:29 PM   
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Not at all surprised the point went way over your head.

Any proposed law to prevent harm to society by way of the most stupid or deranged -gun owners- is immediately turned to being an attack on the second amendment by the majority of 'conservatives,' that's a well demonstrated fact.




Then perhaps you could deminstrate that for us. Nothing that I've seen so far from the libs would actually mitigate these types of things. Though it's not difficult to demonstrate that a crap load of the libs in power have attacked the Second Amendment. Bill Clinton knows what I'm talking about. You don't even have a point.


what actual attacks have been made on the 2nd? I dont know what you are looking to mitigate, but there are many proposals that would mitigate some of the issues with filling in the cracks and making it easier to keep guns out of the hands of mental defectives and criminals, universal background check being the primary one, and funding states data input into the NICS.


Every time a Democrat trys to pass a bill banning semi autos among other severe restrictions I would consider that an attack on the Second Amendment. I'm not looking to mitigate anything, Edwird is or so I inferred.

I don't have a problem, nor do most conservatives, with the things you mentioned pertaining to background checks though the strongest background check system is not a pie in the sky. Likely, if we beef up background checks, it would have a positive effect in the short term. In the long term, criminal gun buyers will have a decent enough selection of guns when the black market expands though we have a substantial black market now. I'm sure some lives will be saved in the long term as some dumb asses, mental incompetents and those who might end up buying junk hardware will be thwarted.

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