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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/2/2017 10:41:13 PM

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Who promised you that? The voices again?

Meanwhile, take a look at the arctic.

Do you never tire of constantly getting shit kicked in your face due to your habit of arguing out of pure ignorance

You must really like the taste of your own ass, having it handed to you time after time.

NPR and the NYT published the fake news referenced below:

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Remember When The NY Times Predicted The ‘End Of Snow’?

It’s been nearly two years since The New York Times published an article claiming the “end of snow” was nigh because of man-made global warming.

“Europe has lost half of its Alpine glacial ice since the 1850s, and if climate change is not reined in, two-thirds of European ski resorts will be likely to close by 2100,” Peter Fox, the editor of Powder magazine, wrote in an op-ed in February 2014.

“The same could happen in the United States, where in the Northeast, more than half of the 103 ski resorts may no longer be viable in 30 years because of warmer winters,” Fox wrote.

An Oregon State University hydroclimatologist echoed the same sentiment to NPR recently, telling the news outlet to enjoy snow now “because there’s a whole lot less of it,” especially in the Western U.S., due to warming...

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Bosco....did you actually read his post?

It was.....innocuous.

You presumed.

His comments could have been in favor of or....against.

(I'm not sure which frankly but......get off your fucking high horse!)

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/2/2017 10:51:31 PM

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My brother (5 years older than me, retired, far too much time on his hands) is a bit of a research nerd and he has "proof" that the entire thing is cyclical.

He can cite all kinds of sun spot shit, historical this that and the other....clay layers and all kinds of other cycles....

Here's what I think: I don't know SHIT.....but what I do know is....every time I buy gasoline.....some % of that goes to fund assholes who want to kill us so.....I'M thinking (sue me).....every single thing we can do.....to do more.....with less (think Prius/sweaters/solar panels) is a good thing.

I think my brother is probably 60% right.....shit happens and the Earth turns....and every time it does....new shit happens.

In the meantime.....if it gets hotter.....Canadian real estate is gonna look really good. If it gets hotter (because of us)....we're in an unbelievably unique spot in history in that.....we can do better.

Science. Technology. Intelligence.

And the less we spend on oil (from ANY source) is fewer dollars that we end up funding assholes that want to kill us.

If it gets colder (as my brother thinks is imminent), we'll do well with more solar, wind and....more efficient engine/hybrid technology and....in the end....who loses by being prepared?

(I think it's a win/win by thinking about the future.....instead of the past).

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/2/2017 10:59:25 PM

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My brother (5 years older than me, retired, far too much time on his hands) is a bit of a research nerd and he has "proof" that the entire thing is cyclical.

He can cite all kinds of sun spot shit, historical this that and the other....clay layers and all kinds of other cycles....

Can he prove that CO2 stops being a heat-trapping molecule simply because it is being emitted by humans?
Because that is pretty much the only way you can prove that the current warming is not caused by humans.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 12:20:05 AM

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I think that taking all the oil out of the earth and burning it has made the earth weigh less (less mass) so our gravity has changed slightly and moved us slightly closer to the sun.

Fossil fuels (solid, liquid) = carbon C

burning is oxidising with oxygen O2

C+O2 = CO2

although a gas, no mass lost

gas has mass too

children learn these things at school (here)

no loss of mass = no change of earth circuit "because" of it

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 12:21:32 AM

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I had hoped she was being sarcastic.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:05:53 AM

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My brother (5 years older than me, retired, far too much time on his hands) is a bit of a research nerd and he has "proof" that the entire thing is cyclical.

He can cite all kinds of sun spot shit, historical this that and the other....clay layers and all kinds of other cycles....

Maybe - but what cycles?

In the Alps glaciers are melting that have been frozen for more than 5000 years. This made Ötzi come to surface. We know pretty exactly how long he was frozen (and did not thaw in between). It leads to the assumption that within the past 5000 the alpine region was never so warm as it is now.
In case you never heard of Ötzi look here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi

Migratory birds stop migrating. Within the last decades former migrant birds are no longer migrating south over winter.

Blackbirds, like many other thrushes, stopped migrating in the late 20th c., chiffchaffs are staying, blackcaps have changed their migrating route from south to northwest - they now migrate from the European continent to Britain in winter.

Long range migrants are shortening their travels: Starlings from northern Europe do no longer cross the Mediterranean, they are staying in Italy.

Within the last years white storks are no longer migrating. At first this was considered accidental, but over the last years the number of healty experienced storks simply staying is growing. Stork migration has been watched for thousands of years, so it is rather well documented. Birds staying in central Europe is a new phenomenon.

Swifts were known as the last to arrive the first to go of migrant birds. In the 20th c. they were recorded to leave for Africa about the last days of August. Now they are leaving in the 3rd week of September. They arrive 2 weeks earlier and leave 2 weeks later at average within the last decades.

Botanists have recorded elderberry (Sambucus nigra) flowering and fruits ripening as markers for botanical beginning and end of summer. The dates when these happen have moved forward by weeks - on average about 2 weeks, compared to late 19th/early 20th c.

These are phenomena that have been recorded over centuries now, with secure data to be compared over time.

You and I and many many others can watch them happening year after year. Regardless who gets paid by whom. All we need is eyes and ears and paying attention, and using brains for thinking.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:33:45 AM

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I WANT MY GLOBAL WARMING!!!

Let's take a guess; who just bought himself a battery-warmed dildo for a Christmas present?

How sweet.

Ahhh, another intelligent and well thought out argument.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:36:39 AM

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I think that taking all the oil out of the earth and burning it has made the earth weigh less (less mass) so our gravity has changed slightly and moved us slightly closer to the sun.

The mass of the orbiting objects do not affect the orbit. There are only two variables in the equation. The mass of the object orbited and the speed at which orbiting object moves.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:38:32 AM

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Incidental gravitational force would be lessened by one or the other body in question losing mass, not increased. The sun loses more mass in a second than the earth does in a million years.
But in any case the reason why the earth and sun and earth and moon and all the planets are moving farther apart is due to transfer of angular momentum. It's a tiny amount every thousand years, but there it is.

Again, the mass of the orbiting object(s) does not affect the orbit

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:43:23 AM

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"no loss of mass = no change of earth circuit "because" of it "

Never would be anyway. Loss of mass might cause the loss of the moon because that is the orbiting object. The object orbited is the Earth, that is the only mass that matters.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:45:02 AM

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So what do we do, shut down and live like in the 1700s ?

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:49:40 AM

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So what do we do, shut down and live like in the 1700s ?

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Cut emissions to buy enough time to develop airborne nanobots that can remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:08:40 AM

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So what do we do, shut down and live like in the 1700s ?

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Cut emissions to buy enough time to develop airborne nanobots that can remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

Really. Your grasp of science and technology is amazing. It is just that simple.

Why didn't thousands of scientists think off that ?

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:13:48 AM

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So what do we do, shut down and live like in the 1700s ?

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Cut emissions to buy enough time to develop airborne nanobots that can remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

Instead of non-existing nanobots we can use what works already:
End large scale deforestation, leave old forests untouched, plant new ones.
But this would be just one measure of more necessary.
It has effects not welcomed by some: less cheap palm oil, less soy beans, less wood for paper mills and other things considered "vital" by some.

What counts is actually doing something since any measures to change something will not work over night. Maybe some measures won't work as expected.
Only one thing is certain: Doing nothing will change nothing.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:34:19 AM

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So what do we do, shut down and live like in the 1700s ?

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Cut emissions to buy enough time to develop airborne nanobots that can remove CO2 from the atmosphere.

Really. Your grasp of science and technology is amazing. It is just that simple.

Why didn't thousands of scientists think off that ?

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Well, it's a good thing that actual scientists tend not to dismiss potential solutions with ignorant sarcastic remarks. You're like that guy in the 18th century who laughed at the idea of people ever landing on the moon.

http://nanoindustries.com/

This has been a thing for quite some time now, and technological progress is exponential. When AI comes into the picture, it will go even faster.

Global warming is already contributing to conflicts and will continue to cause worsening issues over the next 20 years, but we have about 80 years before the really serious problems begin-- if we stick to the current emissions scenario and barring a cataclysmic event. Under Trump, that timeframe could be much shorter... but then you never know.

Of course it's difficult to accurately predict the effects of climate issues on politics and global relations, but so long as the disruptions aren't catastrophic (say, a full-scale nuclear war that obliterates everyone and sends us all back to the Middle Ages), then 80 years is enough time to develop technologies that you think are ridiculous, especially if they're made a priority. Maybe not nanobots specifically, but technologies that I can't imagine, and you DEFINITELY can't imagine because your imagination is so weak.

Of course, ignorant people like you will always assume that the future is going to be exactly the same as the present and we should just accept that it's all impossible and pollute away because what the fuck.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:41:51 AM

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Instead of non-existing nanobots we can use what works already:

Or we can make them exist.

I don't think that merely planting trees is going to restore the CO2 balance at this point-- we're talking about CO2 that has been extracted from the Earth and spewed into the atmosphere, and which has been trapped as methane under the ice caps for the entire glacial period, plus whatever is inevitably going to be released in the future.

It's something we can do now, but it's not going to happen overnight and it wouldn't stabilize the climate even if it did. At this point we're pretty much doomed unless we can find a technological solution.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 3:12:59 AM

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Nanowhatever sounds nice but who will sweep those things from the earth's surface once the job is (hopefully) done ... problem with those nanothings is that they are so terribly small a brush won't do for cleaning up after them.

Technological wizards welcome, no doubt, the sooner the better.

Make it simple, make it efficient, make it not creating new problems.

And let's not wait any longer for things to be invented and delay measures that can be done now.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 3:28:30 AM

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Nanowhatever sounds nice but who will sweep those things from the earth's surface once the job is (hopefully) done ... problem with those nanothings is that they are so terribly small a brush won't do for cleaning up after them.

Technological wizards welcome, no doubt, the sooner the better.

Make it simple, make it efficient, make it not creating new problems.

And let's not wait any longer for things to be invented and delay measures that can be done now.

Ideally, they would be biodegradable. But of course when you're talking about technologies that haven't been fully developed yet it's hard to say. AI is just on the horizon and who knows what sort of solution it would be able to dream up, being more intelligent than any human who has ever lived?

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 3:57:27 AM

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"but then you never know..."

Just what do you think nanotechnology is ? If it was anywhere near viable yet it would be more than gleatin molecules in cancer cells. They would be directly attacking the tors on a cellular level. Now you want to take it down to the molecular, no actually atomic level ?

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 4:09:00 AM

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"End large scale deforestation, leave old forests untouched, plant new ones. "

While I am all for that, 70 % of the O2 comes from the oceans. A step in the right direction, but only a drop in the bucket. Also, what they should figure out how to do is irrigate the deserts and make them arable. Hey, they could use water from the ocean. It takes years but Rome was not built in a day. There are other advantages to actually planting in what used to be desert, it makes more land habitable and as long as people keep fucking with no regard to getting pregnant, there will always be a demand. Maybe if government quit picking peoples' pockets to give to three welfare generations they might slow down.

Because overpopulation IS the root of the problem. There was a group in the US called Zero Population Growth or ZPG for short. They pretty much predicted all this shit, crime, pollution, economic strife. But they went by the wayside most likely because of political correctness. The notion that all life is precious and must be nurtured at all cost is a bunch of bullshit. Take a look at these fucking people.

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