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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 7:32:23 AM   
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Wasn't Otzi a relic from the last ice age, proving that climate naturally cycles

Thanks goldilocks, for pointing that out for us


Wow, you're still at the stage where you think that the existence of natural climate cycles means global warming can't be driven by human activity.

How long have you been saying this as if it proves anything?

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 8:45:53 AM   
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Wasn't Otzi a relic from the last ice age, proving that climate naturally cycles

Thanks goldilocks, for pointing that out for us


Wow, you're still at the stage where you think that the existence of natural climate cycles means global warming can't be driven by human activity.

How long have you been saying this as if it proves anything?


Right, I have moved past the alt left drooler stage that dictates weather and climate have always been static before now

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 8:57:29 AM   
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Right, I have moved past the alt left drooler stage that dictates weather and climate have always been static before now


Yeah, have fun with that strawman.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 9:37:09 AM   
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Right, I have moved past the alt left drooler stage that dictates weather and climate have always been static before now


Yeah, have fun with that strawman.


So you admit that climate changes naturally, and always has. That's progress, at least.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 9:44:04 AM   
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So you admit that climate changes naturally, and always has. That's progress, at least.


Not this time though.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 9:50:51 AM   
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I think that taking all the oil out of the earth and burning it has made the earth weigh less (less mass) so our gravity has changed slightly and moved us slightly closer to the sun.

I used to think you were ignorant. Now I KNOW you are.

You didn't pass 8th grade science did you?


Actually i got a B. I remember i was devastated because i was always an A student. But that was 37 years ago and i don't remember any of it. I never took physics. Science was never my thing... in college i took biology 1 & 2 and was happy that was all i needed to take.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 9:54:30 AM   
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Right, I have moved past the alt left drooler stage that dictates weather and climate have always been static before now


Well besides the fact that nobody claimed that climate would have been, is, will ever be, static, and also besides whatever doubts abouts human influences the fact remains that a climate change IS happening right now.

Which you all can see if only taking some minor efforts to look for yourself outside.

It does not take much imagination to realise that this climate change will have effects, some in all likeliness soon felt by us all in our life span. Others might take and last longer and affect future generations. Globally.

There are counter measures imaginable and available. There was a kind of test situation already with the ozone hole in the atmosphere when countermeasures were agreed internationally (banning chlorofluorocarbons, 1987, some might remember) which seem to have had a measurable counter effect by now.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/06/29/science.aae0061

The ozone depletion process has not been stopped yet, and has not returned to previous status, but maybe slowed close to or beginning reversal.

So we have evidence that things can be done. But they need to be done. The longer the delay the more urgent it gets, the more severe and lasting the effects.


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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 10:00:59 AM   
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Well besides the fact that nobody claimed that climate would have been, is, will ever be, static, and also besides whatever doubts abouts human influences the fact remains that a climate change IS happening right now.


The problem with dismissing the cause for the sake of agreement is that it affects the way solutions are approached.

If humans aren't causing it, CO2 must not be a climate driver, so why would we need to do anything about CO2 emissions? In fact, why take any action at all since it's all natural and interfering would be like interfering with God or the universe or whatever is doing it and has been doing it for so long?

No, accepting that humans are responsible is the only way we can honestly approach this issue on any level... everything else is letting the denialists control the discussion. There really aren't any legitimate doubts about the cause...it's the effects that are more difficult to predict.




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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 10:47:26 AM   
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Well besides the fact that nobody claimed that climate would have been, is, will ever be, static, and also besides whatever doubts abouts human influences the fact remains that a climate change IS happening right now.


The problem with dismissing the cause for the sake of agreement is that it affects the way solutions are approached.

If humans aren't causing it, CO2 must not be a climate driver, so why would we need to do anything about CO2 emissions? In fact, why take any action at all since it's all natural and interfering would be like interfering with God or the universe or whatever is doing it and has been doing it for so long?

No, accepting that humans are responsible is the only way we can honestly approach this issue on any level... everything else is letting the denialists control the discussion. There really aren't any legitimate doubts about the cause...it's the effects that are more difficult to predict.





I personally do not doubt that human burning of fossile carbon fuel increased and increases the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It can hardly be otherwise.

There can also not be any doubt that CO2 has a climate effect, as well as CH4 (methane), the already mentioned CFCs, and a few more releases into atmosphere, and further man-made as well as natural processes.

Whether the effect of any of these contributes to what percentage to what is happening, and is of what importance, alone and/or in combination with others, is advanced hair-splitting, and close to nonsensical concerning how much (or how little) we know about the interchanging influences between those single factors which are just to be slowly understood.

What mankind can control is man-made influences. As simple as that. Not quite of course these days; but the time of hair-splitting is running out.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 10:52:39 AM   
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I personally do not doubt that human burning of fossile carbon fuel increased and increases the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It can hardly be otherwise.

If evolution, the fossil record and the whole science of paleontology weren't evil Godless lies, you'd wonder what the atmosphere and climate were like the last time all of this carbon dioxide was in the air, rather than fossilised in vital economic resources.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 11:34:04 AM   
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I personally do not doubt that human burning of fossile carbon fuel increased and increases the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It can hardly be otherwise.

If evolution, the fossil record and the whole science of paleontology weren't evil Godless lies, you'd wonder what the atmosphere was like the last time all of this carbon dioxide was in the air, rather than fossilised in vital economic resources.


There is indeed evidence that the percentages of O2 (32.x%; two fifths higher than present) as well as CO2 (c. 800 ppm - double of present) have been considerable higher in the Carboniferous.
The time of giant insects, fern and lycopodia trees.

Sea level then was 120m above present.
It all ended in the Devonian mass extinction, causing the deposits we burn today. I guess it is called Carboniferous because of that.






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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 12:44:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		"If humans aren't causing it, CO2 must not be a climate driver"

Utter post hoc ergo propter hoc. Pure and unadulterated.

Stay on the side your on, and get working on those nanites. Watch some scifi to learn how to make them.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:02:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know perhaps if we find just the right balance and get the planet warm enough, we won't need the oil and gas to heat our homes anymore and the problem will solve itself.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 1:56:15 PM   
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You know perhaps if we find just the right balance and get the planet warm enough, we won't need the oil and gas to heat our homes anymore and the problem will solve itself.


Sounds like planning to move to Mount Kenya:

40° C in the shade (very hard to find btw) during day, -10° C at night ...

Despite the seemingly pleasant average temperature of 25° C you will not feel comfortable for sure.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:11:44 PM   
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You know perhaps if we find just the right balance and get the planet warm enough, we won't need the oil and gas to heat our homes anymore and the problem will solve itself.


Sounds like planning to move to Mount Kenya:

40° C in the shade (very hard to find btw) during day, -10° C at night ...

Despite the seemingly pleasant average temperature of 25° C you will not feel comfortable for sure.

I guess this answers the question about whether or not the earlier posts were jokes or not.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:45:18 PM   
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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:48:26 PM   
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oh I think its baiting, but very badly, its not even close to satire, or parody, its just poor

Maybe. I am usually quick to catch satire, parody, sarcasm, etc. She has admitted to baiting before, so maybe.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:49:07 PM   
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Maybe people will have to migrate to different areas of the world which aren't populated now because they're too cold but they won't be anymore.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 2:50:33 PM   
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No... i was being serious.

Well that was my initial thought. OK then.

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RE: Who is ready for some global warming? - 1/3/2017 3:10:25 PM   
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My brother (5 years older than me, retired, far too much time on his hands) is a bit of a research nerd and he has "proof" that the entire thing is cyclical.

He can cite all kinds of sun spot shit, historical this that and the other....clay layers and all kinds of other cycles....


Can he prove that CO2 stops being a heat-trapping molecule simply because it is being emitted by humans?
Because that is pretty much the only way you can prove that the current warming is not caused by humans.


Actually....as to global warming (CO2, etc.) he can't prove anything....he was a carpenter.....not a scientist.

(I don't think I described him as anyone that had any special skills....just opinions).

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