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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:22:35 PM   
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I dpont know abou tthat, you made him do a 180, now he has to prove the God exists that he is claiming does not exist to prove his criminal charges. Me, I wouldnt call that a waste of time but time to gt the popcorn and beer and sit back for the show!


Why would anyone have to prove that God exists in order to discuss it?
Do you have to prove that Spiderman exists before you can talk about Spiderman?

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:22:39 PM   
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The Buddhists wouldn't agree.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:24:00 PM   
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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.


That's why it's better to talk about one God at a time.
Otherwise you can just pick and choose whatever assumptions suit your argument best.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:25:05 PM   
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The notion of a merciful God is debunked the moment suffering occurs.




I suppose if you knew all possible outcomes


God controls every outcome.
God is always responsible for everything.

I don't need to know anything besides that.



So then there is no such thing as 'free will', I think there is, now you have a real cunundrum dontcha

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:27:59 PM   
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I dpont know abou tthat, you made him do a 180, now he has to prove the God exists that he is claiming does not exist to prove his criminal charges. Me, I wouldnt call that a waste of time but time to gt the popcorn and beer and sit back for the show!


Why would anyone have to prove that God exists in order to discuss it?
Do you have to prove that Spiderman exists before you can talk about Spiderman?



try again, vince accused God of 'committing a crime', that was a pretty lame strawman, wanna try again?

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:28:12 PM   
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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.


That's why it's better to talk about one God at a time.
Otherwise you can just pick and choose whatever assumptions suit your argument best.


Well, the earlier argument was that a point was inherently true, not an assumption, and my point in entering the conversation was to illustrate that indeed, it was an assumption.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:29:19 PM   
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So then there is no such thing as 'free will', I think there is, now you have a real cunundrum dontcha


It's not my conundrum.
I'm an atheist.

But this is a discussion about God, not me.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:32:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		But perhaps God changes... just as we... in fact we are shown this to be true. Or perhaps with little understanding of the true Universe and its workings we are as yet incapable of understanding God and his and our place within it. Only fools argue with conviction on a subject that cannot be proven or disproved with our limited knowledge of the what and why of us.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:33:09 PM   
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Assuming God is responsible for everything.

The Buddhists wouldn't agree.


That's why it's better to talk about one God at a time.
Otherwise you can just pick and choose whatever assumptions suit your argument best.


Well, the earlier argument was that a point was inherently true, not an assumption, and my point in entering the conversation was to illustrate that indeed, it was an assumption.


I'm pretty sure that vince was speaking hypothetically.
In a scenario where the Christian God is real, it is true that God is a mass murderer.

But I suppose different people have different ideas of what it means to be omnipotent, omniscient, etc... but you would need to define what you mean when you say 'God' before you could discuss it.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:33:47 PM   
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The notion of a merciful God is debunked the moment suffering occurs. An unlimited power doesn't need to follow any rules, therefore all suffering is unnecessary... and wouldn't exist if God was merciful.


like I said, go read cs lewis' the problem of pain.





http://www.samizdat.qc.ca/cosmos/philo/PDFs/ProblemofPain_CSL.pdf

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:36:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hypothetically how does something vince claims does not exist commit a crime?

So then you think death is the same as murder?






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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:36:47 PM   
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try again, vince accused God of 'committing a crime', that was a pretty lame strawman, wanna try again?


Of course God commits crimes.
God does everything.

Honestly, this isn't an argument that can be won.

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:38:21 PM   
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Hypothetically how does something vince claims does not exist commit a crime?


Do you know what 'hypothetically' means?

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:39:51 PM   
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try again, vince accused God of 'committing a crime', that was a pretty lame strawman, wanna try again?


Of course God commits crimes.
God does everything.

Honestly, this isn't an argument that can be won.



where in christianity did it ever say or imply God does everything?

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:42:35 PM   
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try again, vince accused God of 'committing a crime', that was a pretty lame strawman, wanna try again?


Of course God commits crimes.
God does everything.

Honestly, this isn't an argument that can be won.



where in christianity did it ever say or imply God does everything?


https://www.openbible.info/topics/omnipotence

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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 2:44:05 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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try again, vince accused God of 'committing a crime', that was a pretty lame strawman, wanna try again?


Of course God commits crimes.
God does everything.

Honestly, this isn't an argument that can be won.



where in christianity did it ever say or imply God does everything?


https://www.openbible.info/topics/omnipotence



Last chance, 'QUOTE' where it says or implies God 'does' everything.







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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:09:35 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:12:21 PM   
Real0ne


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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:13:56 PM   
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RE: Are Science and Religion incompatible? - 1/12/2017 3:19:28 PM   
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