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Musicmystery -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 5:53:09 PM)

The difference is that these divisions aren't coming from political opposition, but from the president-elect's mouth.




MrRodgers -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 5:54:16 PM)


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How about we wait to string him up a pole over this once it's verified as true? That's what happens now. We should not damn a person in the court of public opinion. And, don't forget, in the US, it's usually 'innocent until proven guilty.'

How about someone explain that to Trump.

.....or explain it to every single damning in the court of public opinion about the descent of a federal judge or of course Hillary or anybody else the right goes after these days.

DS the 'court of public opinion' is the whole new battleground and is up for grabs now.




MrRodgers -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 6:08:56 PM)


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Well here's what i found

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/?client=ms-android-att-us


THATS real credible - an article with a photo of President Trump that screams "faggot"

What else ya got

Well it's a pretty damning read and one would that in ordinary times...make a big difference, like if it was a dem say the Clintons or.....?

Bayrock's and all of Trumps associates too...don't look good at all. But yes, it all comes down to partisan perspectives.

I mean it's a matter of record but what does a guy do for $12 mill. ?




Musicmystery -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 6:25:42 PM)

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Greta75 -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 6:37:29 PM)

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Just like when everyone was certain Obama was a secret Muslim who was trying to bring down the country. Same thing.



Well, there's real evidence suggesting that Obama could be a Muslim though. Not saying he is, just that there is real evidence suggesting that he might be

A lot of it

If Obama's mom have continued her relationship with his Muslim Indonesian step dad, and they continued to live in Indonesia. He would have no choice but to be a Muslim, not just because his mom married a Muslim man, but his REAL father is also Muslim and in ALL Islamic countries, when you are marry into a Muslim family, You are default Muslim. When your father or mother is Muslim, you are by default Muslim. This also means that IF he ever had Indonesian citizenship. Even if he doesn't want to be Muslim, he would be charged under blasphemy laws for being an apostate when By Sharia Law, he IS suppose to be Muslim. It would be jail term.

But became he went back to the US, he has the luxury of choice not to be a Muslim and change to Christianity.

Which Obama should count his lucky stars his mom is American. And can take him back to America.




BoscoX -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 7:08:16 PM)


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Well here's what i found

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/?client=ms-android-att-us


THATS real credible - an article with a photo of President Trump that screams "faggot"

What else ya got

Well it's a pretty damning read and one would that in ordinary times...make a big difference, like if it was a dem say the Clintons or.....?

Bayrock's and all of Trumps associates too...don't look good at all. But yes, it all comes down to partisan perspectives.

I mean it's a matter of record but what does a guy do for $12 mill. ?


And the gay bashing, that just proves that the article is solid journalism

(You must be an alt left moron)




Musicmystery -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 7:44:37 PM)

A guy who recruits his chief advisor from Breitbart has no claim on what's solid journalism.




heavyblinker -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/11/2017 11:58:24 PM)

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Just like when everyone was certain Obama was a secret Muslim who was trying to bring down the country. Same thing.


There's actually quite a bit more to this story than there ever was to that one.




BamaD -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 12:38:36 AM)


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Just like when everyone was certain Obama was a secret Muslim who was trying to bring down the country. Same thing.


There's actually quite a bit more to this story than there ever was to that one.

If there was anything to it don't you think it would have come out before the election rather than now that ems are grasping at straws to discredit Trump, and don't pretend nobody knew till now.




MrRodgers -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 2:23:16 AM)


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Well here's what i found

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/?client=ms-android-att-us


THATS real credible - an article with a photo of President Trump that screams "faggot"

What else ya got

Well it's a pretty damning read and one would that in ordinary times...make a big difference, like if it was a dem say the Clintons or.....?

Bayrock's and all of Trumps associates too...don't look good at all. But yes, it all comes down to partisan perspectives.

I mean it's a matter of record but what does a guy do for $12 mill. ?


And the gay bashing, that just proves that the article is solid journalism

(You must be an alt left moron)

Grasping at straws. If anything the mural points out how Trump and Putin are so much alike.

If that from Time Mag no less was about a dem,. the right would be calling for a special prosecutor.




MrRodgers -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 2:28:55 AM)


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Just like when everyone was certain Obama was a secret Muslim who was trying to bring down the country. Same thing.


There's actually quite a bit more to this story than there ever was to that one.

If there was anything to it don't you think it would have come out before the election rather than now that ems are grasping at straws to discredit Trump, and don't pretend nobody knew till now.

Russian oligarchs and klepocrats financing Trump all over the world is hardly grasping at straws. I want a special prosecutor to go after all of it. Those deals are easily established as shell LLC after shell LLC with money from Russia.

I think now the American people know why Trump won't disclose his taxes.




heavyblinker -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 2:38:06 AM)

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If there was anything to it don't you think it would have come out before the election rather than now that ems are grasping at straws to discredit Trump, and don't pretend nobody knew till now.


Mother Jones picked it up in October... but the document's existence has been known for longer than that. Harry Reid demanded an investigation, but Comey decided it was more important to give the GOP ammunition against Hillary than to potentially hurt Trump.

The reason it is coming to light now is because no one has been able to dismiss it as false, and it has gained credibility after being passed to Obama and Trump... also probably because it is becoming increasingly obvious that Trump is every bit the nightmare everyone feared he would be.

The alt-right (it's real) has already started a misinformation campaign (Greta posted an example on this thread), trying to generate confusion by pretending it's a 4chan trick... which makes me think they're all very very nervous.

Anyways, weren't you the one who was so happy about all the wikileaks bullshit and the fact that we finally had transparency?? So why is this different from that? Oh right, because you so desperately don't want it to be true. I'm pretty sure that collaboration with Russia and blackmail over sexual behavior/shady business dealings in developing countries is much worse than being passed the questions to a debate.

This actually reminds me a great deal of the Rob Ford scandal-- it seemed absurd that a prominent figure would behave in such a manner so it was easily dismissed, despite the fact it fit his character to a T... and now information comes to light that fits Trump's character to a T and people like you want to dismiss it out of your need to believe that your side is just and that someone capable of these things could never be elected president. Because it involves Russia it will be a lot tougher to dig up the dirt, but I'm hoping that eventually it will be exposed and we can get rid of this piece of shit.

The fact that what we already know about Trump hasn't stopped him from becoming president is absurd enough. It doesn't matter that he's obviously dangerous, apparently some people need a sledgehammer to the face to convince them... and I really hope it happens before it's too late.




BamaD -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 2:38:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Just like when everyone was certain Obama was a secret Muslim who was trying to bring down the country. Same thing.


There's actually quite a bit more to this story than there ever was to that one.

If there was anything to it don't you think it would have come out before the election rather than now that ems are grasping at straws to discredit Trump, and don't pretend nobody knew till now.

Russian oligarchs and klepocrats financing Trump all over the world is hardly grasping at straws. I want a special prosecutor to go after all of it. Those deals are easily established as shell LLC after shell LLC with money from Russia.

I think now the American people know why Trump won't disclose his taxes.

You believe the Russians are dumb enough to invest all that time developing him. Then once they have him in their pocket and about to assume the Presidency they reveal it and waste all that effort. Or how about this idea. They see you and others like you who will believe anything bad about Republicans in general and Trump in particular so they let a false story out which they know you will swallow hook, line, and sinker to try to feed the discord over here.
Of course to accept the later you would have to consider the possibility that Trump isn't the anti Christ.

This is just like the garbage that Bush 41 went to Paris to meet with a Iranian terrorist in Sep of 80. Like Bush could go to Paris in the middle of the campaign and nobody noticed, until they needed an excuse for Carter losing.




heavyblinker -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 3:01:23 AM)

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You believe the Russians are dumb enough to invest all that time developing him. Then once they have him in their pocket and about to assume the Presidency they reveal it and waste all that effort.


The Russians didn't reveal anything... what are you talking about? This was an ex-MI6 operative who now works in the private sector... who may or may not be Christopher Steele. If you want to know how intelligence is typically gathered by spies, google is your friend.

A big part of why the info hasn't been made public is probably because now that it's public, the Russians are probably more likely to destroy the evidence... blackmailing a president tends to have consequences that Putin wouldn't want to face. When it was circulating among insiders it wasn't quite the threat it has become now that it's international news.

But the info came to light now because when you run for president, and especially if you win, and even more especially if you reveal yourself to be a dangerous autocrat after all... then there are more and more reasons to try to prevent you from doing serious damage. And then you go and defend Russia over your own Intelligence agencies??

Russia obviously wants the sanctions lifted, but even if that doesn't happen, they have successfully undermined Americans' faith in their political system and thrown everything into chaos... and also given hope to the fascists who prefer Putin's autocratic style and wish America was less liberal and less democratic. But I think it's out of their hands at this point... and now that everyone knows and is beginning to take it seriously, Putin is going to do everything he can to make sure he doesn't get caught.

Obviously Trump will just play the part of Putin's bitch while making begrudging admissions like 'Russia hacked the DNC' to distract everyone, but my hope is that congress will force him to go after Russia and they'll realize that the plan backfired, at which point someone will inevitably come forward with damning evidence that leads to Trump's impeachment. There are incentives even now-- since their plan is backfiring and Obama has just lobbed even more sanctions at them with the GOP congress promising even more, the Russians are probably getting nervous that this could turn into something even more serious, and it could even be a good way for an opponent to get rid of Putin.

The whole thing was probably destined to backfire because Trump is not a politician-- the narcissism and lack of self-control that make him easy to manipulate also make him more difficult to control.

I wouldn't even put it past a member of the GOP to have leaked it simply because he or she was growing nervous about a federal investigation, and wanted to make sure Putin would destroy the evidence before the entire party was thrown into chaos.




WhoreMods -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 4:50:54 AM)


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I want a special prosecutor to go after all of it...

Fat chance. They're all far too busy looking for something they can charge Clinton with.




Musicmystery -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 6:13:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Just like when everyone was certain Obama was a secret Muslim who was trying to bring down the country. Same thing.


There's actually quite a bit more to this story than there ever was to that one.

Not "everyone" -- a few morons.




WhoreMods -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 6:24:08 AM)

I wonder how big an overlap there is between those on here who've spent the last eight years hysterically whining about birth certificates and Obama being a moslem, and those on here who are indignantly dismissing anything said against conflict of interests boy as "fake news"? It looks pretty high, and may well be higher still once sockpuppets and changed names after somebody's been banned are taken into account. Doesn't suggest anything very positive about the elelements of the right who make up Putin's bitch's base, really.




Musicmystery -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 6:37:08 AM)

There's a reason the Oxford Dictionary chose "post-truth" as the word of the year.

http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/12/02/502542397/is-being-post-truth-a-new-concept




BoscoX -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 6:37:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

I wonder how big an overlap there is between those on here who've spent the last eight years hysterically whining about birth certificates and Obama being a moslem, and those on here who are indignantly dismissing anything said against conflict of interests boy as "fake news"? It looks pretty high, and may well be higher still once sockpuppets and changed names after somebody's been banned are taken into account. Doesn't suggest anything very positive about the elelements of the right who make up Putin's bitch's base, really.


That works two ways, moron. Also means that you loons dismiss such things when its your guy but when it's as Republican, why - there's no time to wait for the facts. Fake news or not, the guy has to go

Also, the Hillary campaign started the birther thing so eat shit on that one

Then, there is real evidence that Obama is a Muslim. So what? Everyone knows that everything he tells us is a lie, so not a big deal. No one that I know has been "hysterical" about anything Obama, certainly nothing like you freaks have become over every Trump molehill






WhoreMods -> RE: IT'S REAL: Russians are blackmailing Trump! (1/12/2017 6:39:27 AM)

Very apt: it's obviously the part of his daddy's political circus that Putin's bitch likes the best, isn't it?




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